ON3P SKIS Discussion

[sierraskier]

Am I understanding correctly that the 108s don't have asym? That changes everything.

Asym. is the single thing that scares me about the BGs, after my experiences with Quixotes. @Powtron once explained the more upright stance required when on hard snow (with asym.) and it made perfect sense to me - both on the BGs on that demo day as well as with my Quixotes. I adopted that quickly, and life was good, or so I thought ...

All's well, right? Hard snow, more upright, soft snow, drive a bit more. The problem I had with Quixotes was transitional, dust over crust. When I broke through the dust, my weight would be too far forward. Even this was OK, except in a whiteout where I'm a bit balance challenged.

Each of the two days I experienced this whiteout/dust over crust scenario (consecutive days), I went back to the car, pulled out my Down CD 114s and was smilin' the rest of the day. I sold the Quixotes as soon as I returned from that trip.

I seem to be in the minority in this regard, so take that into account.

Also, in 3D snow, the asym. is quicker from edge to edge. It would make sense if asym. is limited to the 116s and the C&Ds. With asym. in deep snow, you can cheat a bit to start your turn. This is particularly helpful when you're trying to get moving (slow speed) in tight trees.

... Thom

Definitely RES, definitely not asymm.

I have not skied an asymm ski, but I think the upright stance thing also applies to RES on firm.

The same thing that makes RES work well in pow and in weird, punchable, heavy, otherwise grabby snow - the reverse eliptycal edge shape on the front half of ski - is the same thing that makes them somewhat unpredictable on a firm surface. When pressured on firm, the RES tip shape resists locking into the edge hold you normally would get with traditional sidecut, hence the advice to ski from a more centered upright stance on firm. Can you do it? Of course you can. Just like you can ski a full reverse/reverse ski on a groomer back to the lift, skidding turns from the center instead trying to drive them in a forward stance. Is it enjoyable? That's subjective.

For me personally, I absolutely love the way the BG108T tours. Feel much lighter than I was expecting actually. They track well and tour very well, honestly was a little surprised about that as my previous stock 15/16 BG and C&D were heavy AF, even for their size. Also the flex pattern is spot on IMO. MUCH softer than my 15/16 stock BGs were, and perfect for the generally lower speeds I'm at in the BC. In anything soft they are great.

Since I have the Navis freebird @ 102mm for longer spring missions and the Freebird Anima @ 115mm for pow, I bought the BG108T's to sit in between the two (yes 1st world problems here). The thing is they are probably lighter than the Navis (or close). My challenge with them is on firm surfaces - windboard, ice, refrozen mank, coral reef - the shitfuck firm conditions I will inevitably find in the BC on the day I'm grabbing these...which given their light weight I would probably want to grab most of the time, even over a narrower option, like my 102mm waisted Navis. Why sacrifice pow/soft snow performance and surfiness (the most fun part) when I have a ski that is just as light and tours just as well? I need some more time on them, but so far the firm snow behavior may be a deal breaker for me. Who knows, maybe I de-tuned a little too much. Or maybe I'm just trying to make a ski fit into a spot it's not really designed to. Likely the latter. I'd be really interested to hear some more in depth reviews on the Woodsman 108T, specifically firm(er) snow performance

If you are looking for a 1-ski quiver that slightly favors softer snow, and don't mind making some minor adjustments on firm surfaces, these are money. Even with a pair of Shifts for a true 1 ski quiver. Others will say they aren't burly enough for that, but they would be for me.

And yes, ALL of this has basically already been said about the stock BG so nothing earth shattering here - this is the same ski, just narrower and lighter, but still behaves pretty much the same way

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Anyone have time on the wren 102ti..? The more I look at it the more I want it.

[Viva]

I oughta have mine within the next couple of weeks.

Custom "Midnight" top sheets.

Dark like my soul.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I oughta have mine within the next couple of weeks.

Custom "Midnight" top sheets.

Dark like my soul.

I love the midnight. Those will be dope. I do really dig the stock topper too.

[Quandary]

So I pm'd this q to Iggy a few days ago but I guess he's gone radio silence. I picked up some Woods 116's last spring (serial #003) for in bounds use, but haven't got them out yet. With all the chatter about maybe possibly perhaps bad tune, should I just take them in for a new tune, or ski them and hope for the best?

I skied mine (serial #012) Tuesday. The tune was fine.

[galibier_numero_un]

Thanks guys. A bit of clarification ...

I get the slightly upright stance thing from living with both '14 and '15 BGs.

The asym. BG was an entirely different animal however, and was very much like my Qs, in that if I wasn't perfectly centered, then left and right ski had minds of their own. I didn't like that.

My preferred stance is center/forward, and I'm sure that the folks who don't experience this unpredictability tend to ski more centered - pressuring middle of their arch.

With symmetrical Goats, you experience better/worse behavior depending on your stance, but left and right always feel as if you're on the same ski.

... Thom

[Tailwind]

I keep coming back to this ski as well... I love the Wren shape and I’ve been skiing a lot of bad snow this year.

Anyone have time on the wren 102ti..? The more I look at it the more I want it.

[the_flying_v]

Got on my BG 108 full bamboo Wednesday. 5” of variable snow. Hit lots of rocks. I’ve been only on my carving skis and Wren96ti all season. I could not find my stance for the life of me. Usually when I’m on my 14/15 BG, its a natural sweet spot. I was tired as shit as the howling winds kept me up all night.

Inconclusive testing conditions. Hoping another storm lines up.

Back on Wrens yesterday and today. Feeling good. Was the OG Wren 108 the ski I’m seeking?

[klauss]

[Tailwind]

Can anyone who has skied the Wren 96 comment on it compared to the Wren 114? Is it just a narrower quicker ski with the same dna? Or is it a different experience with given the shorter radius and different flex pattern?

For a long time I’ve been skiing wide skis everyday. No issues with knees and I get them pretty high on edge without issue. Skiing really firm days I just end up wondering “would I be having more fun on something narrow”?

[mr_pretzel]

Can anyone who has skied the Wren 96 comment on it compared to the Wren 114? Is it just a narrower quicker ski with the same dna? Or is it a different experience with given the shorter radius and different flex pattern?

For a long time I’ve been skiing wide skis everyday. No issues with knees and I get them pretty high on edge without issue. Skiing really firm days I just end up wondering “would I be having more fun on something narrow”?

Everytime I try that I end up selling the narrow ski. If you spend most of your time off piste wider skis just feel better.

I’d get a 105mm +-3mm charger instead.

[XavierD]

I used to agree, but then I got the woodsman 96 last year. I like it quite a bit in of piste conditions and anything up to a a few in of soft.

[Tailwind]

Good feedback. I have no issues with how the ski carves or handles firm conditions but the majority of the skiing population seems to think anything beyond 100mm is wide. The last sub 112mm ski was on was in... 2012? So I’m just wondering if I’m crazy and missing something that everyone else understands. I’ve owned quite a few skis in recent years but nothing narrower then the Wren’s.

Everytime I try that I end up selling the narrow ski. If you spend most of your time off piste wider skis just feel better.

I’d get a 105mm +-3mm charger instead.

[Viva]

Can anyone who has skied the Wren 96 comment on it compared to the Wren 114? Is it just a narrower quicker ski with the same dna? Or is it a different experience with given the shorter radius and different flex pattern?

I currently have both and find them to be substantially similar. I ride them the exact same way- no change in stance or style. And the feedback from these is the same. My 96s, BTW, are custom, with carbon stringers inlaid.

Two-day-old snow at Wolfy today, so I took the 114s, and even did a few bump runs. The extra girth was noticeable and a bit restrictive, but these skis did fine nonetheless. Tomorrow I'll be on the 96s.

I also have the 108s (17/18), and am liking them less and less. Not as damp as the above skis and I'm just not meshing with them for whatever reason. They're not bad at all, but I don't find the ride to be very fun. To me, they don't feel like they're from the same family.

[PowTron]

That fresh mount smell never disappoints

[Sessiøn]

That fresh mount smell never disappoints

I feel like I need to react and counter this. I have felt like this since Scott PM'd me a pic of those.

[Norseman]

So much sex

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Just in time...

[PowTron]

Just in time...

Those look so good. Tasty.

[the_flying_v]

@PowTron jaw droppers for sure.

[eSock]

The ON3P stable just keeps growing.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

The ON3P stable just keeps growing.

That BG graphic is one of my favorites!

[MHSP1497]

Took my Billy Goat 108 Tours out for their maiden voyage today. Nothing spectacular, just a 2-mile uphill to Timberline ski area and then back down a different trail (Glade/Westleg for those that care). They felt as light or lighter than my old setup. I did notice that the 1st riser on the Tecton is pretty high and I didn’t need it much at all, whereas on the Vipec’s I was in/out of the first riser more often. Also, I find the riser easier to manipulate than the Vipec, at least for me. When we got to the top of the trail and transitioned, I felt like was stepping into any other ON3P. I could just stand on them like my other skis and they felt great. It felt really nice to have that steer-from-ball-of-foot feeling on my AT setup now too. Fingers crossed for more snow so I can really test these out in more varied conditions and terrain. So far though, they’re exactly what I’d hoped for... Thanks again Iggy and Team!!!

[mr_pretzel]

Just in time...

Gosh that graphic is sick, what length?

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Gosh that graphic is sick, what length?

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