ON3P SKIS Discussion

[mr_pretzel]

I hope you are right. I WANT you to be right. I kept saying...”why am I having to fight this ski so much on the groomers when it is AMAZING off trail?”

I hate that I have to go screw with getting a new tune when someone obviously spent a decent amount of time putting a finish on the skis. I’ve never skied anything that felt this awkward on groomers...and I’ve tried a few skis. [emoji6]

I had the exact same feeling last season on my pair. I loved them in anything off piste, but on groomers they were hooky and unpredictable.
A good retune through the machine and they ski awesome everywhere now.
Don’t know why the tune was off as I’ve had 10+ pairs of ON3Ps and never had an issue.

[shroom]

i shifted from gummy to file on my woods96, hoping to be able to use the tails this weekend

[PNW-skier78]

I hope you are right. I WANT you to be right. I kept saying...”why am I having to fight this ski so much on the groomers when it is AMAZING off trail?”

I hate that I have to go screw with getting a new tune when someone obviously spent a decent amount of time putting a finish on the skis. I’ve never skied anything that felt this awkward on groomers...and I’ve tried a few skis. [emoji6]

I have been skiing a pair for about a year and they seem fine. My guess is it is the tune.


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[galibier_numero_un]

I had the exact same feeling last season on my pair. I loved them in anything off piste, but on groomers they were hooky and unpredictable.
A good retune through the machine and they ski awesome everywhere now.
Don’t know why the tune was off as I’ve had 10+ pairs of ON3Ps and never had an issue.

I seem to recall a post up thread where Iggy said there was a short period of time where they discovered issues with their stone grinder ... at least I think so Bottom line is ... tune 'em and luv 'em.

Now ... if i could get my hands on some 179 BG 116 Tours (just sayin' ...).

... Thom

[aanev]

kid-kapow made an excellent summary on the tune issue a few pages back:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...28#post6189728

[f=ma]

I have been skiing a pair for about a year and they seem fine. My guess is it is the tune.


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Same, been skiing for more than a year on the WD108, no hookyness on groomers. Tail release fine. They're actually my low tide ski, since I ski the billy goats most of the time.

[kid-kapow]

kid-kapow made an excellent summary on the tune issue a few pages back:

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...28#post6189728

In addition to those two post I can also post what Iggy wrote when he personally reached out to a few of us last spring to address the issues on our woodsmans. This is part of what he wrote - posted here as it is general and should explain what was off with the initial batch, and hopefully to save Iggy som time from having to repeat it.

... Based upon what you are describing, it sounds like we fucked up the tune and the base bevel is not enough or not consistent. That combined with sharp new edges could make for a pretty shitty ride.

We struggled with the edge tune consistency last year with our Reichmann Ceramic Base/Side Edger (DTS-U) - enough so that we just pulled it off the production line and went back to belts around January until our Reichmann rep can come out and service it a few days (on hold with the virus right now). That said, we were doing our best to check every pair and should have been stopping production to work on the machine when problems presented (just consistency is the angle being applied - enough so we got sick of working on the machine until it can be serviced).

On a stiffer skis, we've found edge issues are more pronounced (as it is harder to push the ski around), so that is why seems more centered here on the Woodsman. ...

As mentioned in the last post, the base bevel was off on my pairs, but where retuning and detuning them (heavily) in front of/behind the contact points made for a much smoother ride. The retune/detune does not transform the skis into jibby-mc-jibsticks, but skis that has a strong edge hold on groomers, generate a lot of speed from the terrain if you pump yet release quite easily. The section underfoot and behind the heels is fairly strong as is usual from ON3P, so for a lighter and puny rider with shit technique like myself the softer mid section of for instance Mantra102 177s makes them even easier to release and manipulate than woods108 - at least on hard snow. I think my pairs will bed in nicely after more use.

[tuco]

I hope you are right. I WANT you to be right. I kept saying...”why am I having to fight this ski so much on the groomers when it is AMAZING off trail?”

I hate that I have to go screw with getting a new tune when someone obviously spent a decent amount of time putting a finish on the skis. I’ve never skied anything that felt this awkward on groomers...and I’ve tried a few skis. [emoji6]

Pretzel is right. My Woodsies were good, but I've had more than one brand new ON3P w/ wonky factory tune. Edges want to engage even going straight.
Sux to have to retune. Really your edges need rebeveling of base edge

[Tailwind]

Slight thread drift (my On3p’s are great) and I know there are other threads for this.

If a skis tune is way off... do you just bevel the edges by hand? Or is the next step a stone grind then bevel edges?

[tuco]

You can
On a machine, edges need beveling before they are run on the stone. Stone+metal=nõ bueño

[Shredeagle]

This is probably terrible advice....I demo'd a pair of Woods 108's and loved them. So I bought a pair. The pair I bought was so hooky sometimes I thought my leg was going to break just going down a cat track. I couldn't figure it out. I got mad and took a rock from the parking lot and detuned the tips and tails. It made it into a whole new ski. I'm totally stoked on them now. After reading through the thread, it seems like there might be a better way to do this

[fencejack]

Looks like I opened up the can of worms in this again but I think it's helping share information.

Maybe it's worth mentioning the model year you have to narrow it down?

I have yet to ski mine but they are 2019/2020. Ski hills here are closed so I won't get a chance to test them before my trip at the end of the month so I really hope they are good out the box. I will at least know there is a fix if I do run into issues.

[SkiLyft]

I love how dedicated people are to trouble shoot the WD!! Brand allegiance is strong with this crowd!


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[STLHD]

I took Scott up on his offer last winter and sent my woodsman back to the factory for a retune. Can confirm that a retune fixed all issues. I thought I was crazy so somewhat glad to hear others had the same issue. And thanks to ON3P for helping out.

[Sessiøn]

I love how dedicated people are to trouble shoot the WD!! Brand allegiance is strong with this crowd!


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It helps that the manufacturer is transparent.

[sierraskier]

If anyone has any WD108 tour's that are hooky that they want to get rid of let me know

[steveski]

This is probably terrible advice....I demo'd a pair of Woods 108's and loved them. So I bought a pair. The pair I bought was so hooky sometimes I thought my leg was going to break just going down a cat track. I couldn't figure it out. I got mad and took a rock from the parking lot and detuned the tips and tails. It made it into a whole new ski. I'm totally stoked on them now. After reading through the thread, it seems like there might be a better way to do this[emoji2]

Can we call you "Grog" with the evolutionary use of a rock.

But seriously, if it works, it works.

[jackattack]

I use rocks to detune all of my skis, I do it while skiing on a wind-dusted rock pile.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

In addition to those two post I can also post what Iggy wrote when he personally reached out to a few of us last spring to address the issues on our woodsmans. This is part of what he wrote - posted here as it is general and should explain what was off with the initial batch, and hopefully to save Iggy som time from having to repeat it.


As mentioned in the last post, the base bevel was off on my pairs, but where retuning and detuning them (heavily) in front of/behind the contact points made for a much smoother ride. The retune/detune does not transform the skis into jibby-mc-jibsticks, but skis that has a strong edge hold on groomers, generate a lot of speed from the terrain if you pump yet release quite easily. The section underfoot and behind the heels is fairly strong as is usual from ON3P, so for a lighter and puny rider with shit technique like myself the softer mid section of for instance Mantra102 177s makes them even easier to release and manipulate than woods108 - at least on hard snow. I think my pairs will bed in nicely after more use.

What year were your 108 and 116s?

I had this years 108 and after two days decided to part ways due to the "hookiness" people are describing.. Looking at this thread I jumped the gun on selling them. May have to give them another shot.

[adrenalated]

I've most definitely, on several occasions, taken my ski off somewhere on the mountain and rubbed it on a rock or metal handrail or whatever to detune.
It works way better than a gummy, those things are fucking useless.

[Shredeagle]

For the record, I think my Woodsman's were 19-20's. But the years kinda blend together these days.

jackattack

I use rocks to detune all of my skis, I do it while skiing on a wind-dusted rock pile.

It doesn't look like you are a Big Sky skier from your profile??!!

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

I've most definitely, on several occasions, taken my ski off somewhere on the mountain and rubbed it on a rock or metal handrail or whatever to detune.
It works way better than a gummy, those things are fucking useless.

Bastard file off amazon does wonders.

[adrenalated]

Bastard file of amazon does wonders.

Sure, if you're at your workbench or ski around with a file in your pocket.
One of these is actually my preferred tool for deburring and detuning https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tnp...xoCyW0QAvD_BwE

[2FUNKY]

I carry a small diamond stone and a gummy for my first day out on a new ski to adjust the detune as needed. I usually get it pretty spot on at home before they hit the snow.

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

Sure, if you're at your workbench or ski around with a file in your pocket.
One of these is actually my preferred tool for deburring and detuning https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tnp...xoCyW0QAvD_BwE

May have to order one!