ON3P SKIS Discussion

[galibier_numero_un]

Day-um ... the Jeffrey graphics are "bomber".

... Thom

Stock J116s were a blast to tour with on some new snow in the Wasatch yesterday. Although I’m now glad I didn’t skip leg day too many times this summer....

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[Bandit Man]

Coming from a owner of both the 186 non-asym and a 189 asym C&D, and previous owner of 191 non-asym tours; what's the main reason for the difference? Flex or shape? I think the tail rocker line and splay is pretty similar?

Love the 186, haven't been on the C&Ds enough to comment. 191 tours were great, but I didn't tour on them and didn't need them for inbounds.

Sort of regret that sale, I'd rather keep them for sometime in the future. Same as my 191 OG C&Ds....if they somehow find their way back I'd buy them in a heartbeat.

At the risk of giving Scott a good laugh, the 186 RES model “feels” looser and softer in the tail than the 184 Asym variant. I own both. I have the same impression of the 191 RES vs 189 Asym variant. They ski and feel different enough to me to notice. Much more than cutting 2-cm off the tail.

Also, the tour flex on the 189 Asym C&D feels closer to the 186 RES BG than my 189 Asym BG.

Maybe it’s all in my head, but I know I’m not the only one who feels this way.


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[The Suit]

Following up on my Woodsman 108 discussion...

I've read that some are having tuning issues that are making them feel hooky. Anyone know if this is specific to a year, 2019/2020 or 2020/2021? I have the 2019/2020 model and wondering if there's anything I can check prior to using them to see if I might have the same problem? Any details on what to do to fix it (aside from detune tips/tails more)?

I appreciate all the help so far.

I got mine last season -- I think it was January 2020. I had the hooky tips problem for a couple of days. I solved it by bringing a gummy with me for a few days and gradually detuning the tips. I don't remember if I did anything to the tails, but if I did it was similar. I've probably got 15 days on them now and have zero issues (fuckin' love them).

So for me, it was no big deal. Just make sure you have a gummy in your pocket.

[adrenalated]

At the risk of giving Scott a good laugh, the 186 RES model “feels” looser and softer in the tail than the 184 Asym variant. I own both. I have the same impression of the 191 RES vs 189 Asym variant. They ski and feel different enough to me to notice. Much more than cutting 2-cm off the tail.

Also, the tour flex on the 189 Asym C&D feels closer to the 186 RES BG than my 189 Asym BG.

Maybe it’s all in my head, but I know I’m not the only one who feels this way.


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Breaking: old ass ski with lots of days feels softer than brand new ski.

[Bandit Man]

Yeah, yeah yeah , but don't get too full of yourself. [emoji12] I almost bought those 191s, too, and now I wish I had for a back up.

Remind me how you got your current 191’s again? [emoji6]

Also, I couldn’t believe nobody else snatched Woody’s 191’s. They were available FOREVER. I feel like I did a public service by buying them and allowing Mr Dynastar to buy more Dynastars...or maybe he used the funds to reclaim his coveted 202 L138’s. That narrative gives me a warm fuzzy! [emoji23]


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[phatty]

Remind me how you got your current 191’s again? [emoji6]

Also, I couldn’t believe nobody else snatched Woody’s 191’s. They were available FOREVER. I feel like I did a public service by buying them and allowing Mr Dynastar to buy more Dynastars...or maybe he used the funds to reclaim his coveted 202 L138’s. That narrative gives me a warm fuzzy! [emoji23]


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Yes and I will forever be grateful to you for that. Took them out this morning again and they made quick work of the heavy mank we got last night.

[Bandit Man]

Yes and I will forever be grateful to you for that. Took them out this morning again and they made quick work of the heavy mank we got last night.

Glad you got some. I was supposed to go to Stevens but work happened. [emoji57] I will live vicariously through your BG mank harvesting!

[MHSP1497]

Get customs with all the same topsheet ;-)

... Thom

To pull that off I’d need Scott to do the “light blue almost denim” top sheets again (that color isn’t a choice anymore), go green sidewalls and the “Eh Ski” bases to make them resemble my Cease&Desist’s. That gets really spendy... working on convincing her that I dislike my current touring setup enough AND that I plan to tour a lot more, SO I should be on skis I “know” and are predictable in ways my current touring skis are decidedly NOT.

[PowTron]

Thanks, still debating on where to mount my 186s

I actually used to mount my Kartels at -2, then usually at -1. These ended up at -.5cm as I had slight mounting mishap, but they will be playful and serve the purpose I need. If I was going to use them as my main daily driver, I would have went somewhere between -1 and -2. I am a Wren and BG guy usually.

[skuff]

I actually used to mount my Kartels at -2, then usually at -1. These ended up at -.5cm as I had slight mounting mishap, but they will be playful and serve the purpose I need. If I was going to use them as my main daily driver, I would have went somewhere between -1 and -2. I am a Wren and BG guy usually.

Thanks, man. I bought a 191 Jeffrey and mounted that on the line but will probably go -2 on the 186, if I mount them at all... may just sell them

[eSock]

To pull that off I’d need Scott to do the “light blue almost denim” top sheets again (that color isn’t a choice anymore), go green sidewalls and the “Eh Ski” bases to make them resemble my Cease&Desist’s. That gets really spendy... working on convincing her that I dislike my current touring setup enough AND that I plan to tour a lot more, SO I should be on skis I “know” and are predictable in ways my current touring skis are decidedly NOT.

I'm in the same boat, dislike current setup and need predictable skis like a touring version of what I'm skiing inbounds (wd108 or bg108). Soon...

[PeachesNCream]

Thanks, man. I bought a 191 Jeffrey and mounted that on the line but will probably go -2 on the 186, if I mount them at all... may just sell them

Just for a contrasting opinion. I have demo bindings and am liking them at +1 but I came from a salomon rocker 2 108 with a mount point 3 cm from center. So just depends on preference.

[fencejack]

I followed Iggy's and CallMeAl's most excellent advice. The edge bevel was indeed the issue with my woods116s and woods108s.

The hookieness on my woods116 dissapeared completely. The tails were still a tiny bit too locked in the last time I used them, but have retuned and detuned them again since - re my previous post. I am very confident that they will be soft snow slayers now, yet still be dependable and predictable on hard snow.

I retuned my woods108s too, and they went from feeling to locked in and a chore to ski to feeling great - even if they are still quite a bit of ski, but they are also fairly loose and super solid on groomers.

So I would not sweat it - either detuning or retuning the edges is extremely easy to do if yours are not perfect out of the gate.

Much appreciated. That gives me reassurance that it can be fixed if I do find it hooky.

[skuff]

Just for a contrasting opinion. I have demo bindings and am liking them at +1 but I came from a salomon rocker 2 108 with a mount point 3 cm from center. So just depends on preference.

I appreciate your opinion, thanks. I'm starting to get comfortable on skis mounted a bit more forward than my old-timey LPs and Explosivs. Currently enjoying the 191 Jeffrey mounted on the line

[fencejack]

I got mine last season -- I think it was January 2020. I had the hooky tips problem for a couple of days. I solved it by bringing a gummy with me for a few days and gradually detuning the tips. I don't remember if I did anything to the tails, but if I did it was similar. I've probably got 15 days on them now and have zero issues (fuckin' love them).

So for me, it was no big deal. Just make sure you have a gummy in your pocket.

Thanks! I'll make sure I bring a gummy with me and adjust as I go. Feeling better about hanging onto these now. I look forward to giving them a try. Sucks that all ski hills in Ontario are closed though.

[galibier_numero_un]

Thanks! I'll make sure I bring a gummy with me and adjust as I go. Feeling better about hanging onto these now. I look forward to giving them a try. Sucks that all ski hills in Ontario are closed though.

Not just a gummy ... a file.

... Thom

[ASmileyFace]

I'm not drooling. You're drooling.

Now I just need it to snow.

Had the 184 Asym BGs for the last couple seasons so I figured I needed the big boys. Thanks SkiLyft for one of the easiest transactions ever.

[banzai]

I got bitten by a great white shark, while loading a turn. I've read about the durability of ON3P, but holy gucci these things are tough AF.

[Sessiøn]

Not just a gummy ... a file.

... Thom

A man of taste I see.

[galibier_numero_un]

Hey Scott,

You built it and I'm trying to make good ;-) When will we see a re-stock of 179 BG Tour 116's?

I just got off the phone with you guys and between lousy reception (I was on a land line) and some obtuse answers, I'm still in the dark. Can we expect to see some non-TGR approved "shorties" when the 2021/22 production run fires up? I don't even see a 179 BG in the custom section (website error?).

If I recall, you're on an earlier release schedule than most of the industry (starting up the new model year in the Spring) ... amirite? April? July? (for shorter BG Tours).

You can trash my e-mail inquiry from yesterday if you answer over here.

[edit] I get that the COVID thing has upset everything, including production capacity, figuring out how many skis yer gonna sell (and what builds to prioritize). Damn! I may not even get out this Winter 'coz of COVID which is why I didn't jump on this when the 179s were in stock. Be well!

Thanks!
... Thom

[Bandit Man]

Got out on the 187 Woodsman for the first time today.

Here are some initial impressions...

Conditions - sloppy seconds from latest multi-day storm cycle totaling 80”. Temp spike yesterday created some heavy PNW mank, with pockets of high-density coastal pow, and soft groomers.

What I Like: off-piste in the dense pow, mank, crud, skied out stuff they are perfect. They ski with the dampness of a metal layup ski. Push through the heavy junk well but are also fairly loose and smeary. They reminded me of a skinnier Billy Goat. Not quite as loose in the tail, but still really easy to toss around due to the narrower build. Still retain that ON3P energy out of the tail.

I also really liked them charging through the small bumps and ripples as the groomers got more skied out. They absorb quite a bit and offer a lot of suspension and a fairly damp ride.

What I didn’t like: They felt really hooky on groomers. I had to get really aggressive with the gummy detune. That helped a bit, but something about the sidecut feels...off. As the day wore on, I felt more comfortable on the groomers at speed. They are far from my Brahma’s, but still more than passable for a ski this wide. As long as I was on the front of the skis they behaved on the groomers. Let off and ski more neutral, and it felt like I was fighting the turn radius and that “hookiness/grabiness” showed up immediately.

I really like this ski off-piste, but the strange groomer performance was really off-putting. I guess I need to spend some more time to figure these out.






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[mr_pretzel]

The woodsman sidecut is not messed up. It’s the tune, fix that and they will feel like they do off piste on groomers

[Conundrum]

Risky snow pack didn’t let us get after it but a couple days of low angle fun leads me to believe the 108s are going to be a long term winner.

[SupreChicken]

Was something up with the woodsman edges? Why are so many mags who know how to ski discovering tune issues?

[Bandit Man]

The woodsman sidecut is not messed up. It’s the tune, fix that and they will feel like they do off piste on groomers

I hope you are right. I WANT you to be right. I kept saying...”why am I having to fight this ski so much on the groomers when it is AMAZING off trail?”

I hate that I have to go screw with getting a new tune when someone obviously spent a decent amount of time putting a finish on the skis. I’ve never skied anything that felt this awkward on groomers...and I’ve tried a few skis. [emoji6]