21/22 Bikes That Make Your Shorts Tighter.

[smmokan]

My Rocky dealer told me that if I hadn’t of pulled the trigger on the Altitude immediately when he had one in October, the soonest he could get one for me was in August or September next year.
And that wasn’t firm.
Nutzo.

That is indeed crazy. I wonder if the bigger brands are so far out because they have to order in such large numbers, that their lead times are pushed even farther back. I know that with some of the smaller companies (like GG and Revel, for instance) the lead times are WAY shorter than that. GG is still 8-9 weeks out, and Revel is ~12-15 weeks.

[ticketchecker]

That is indeed crazy. I wonder if the bigger brands are so far out because they have to order in such large numbers, that their lead times are pushed even farther back. I know that with some of the smaller companies (like GG and Revel, for instance) the lead times are WAY shorter than that. GG is still 8-9 weeks out, and Revel is ~12-15 weeks.

Any feel for whether frames are on the same schedule as complete bikes? My guess is getting all the parts slows it down.

Either way sounds like I better make up my mind and get a frame ordered by end of January for Spring.

EDIT: and if I choose wrong it won't be hard to get rid of it

[Sandbox]

This bike shortage is really starting to concern me.... I think the dream of a new bike in the spring is dying.

[rideit]

That is indeed crazy. I wonder if the bigger brands are so far out because they have to order in such large numbers, that their lead times are pushed even farther back. I know that with some of the smaller companies (like GG and Revel, for instance) the lead times are WAY shorter than that. GG is still 8-9 weeks out, and Revel is ~12-15 weeks.

FWIW, GG is moving their factory/etc as we speak, so I imagine there will be some delays coming up.

[rideit]

Any feel for whether frames are on the same schedule as complete bikes? My guess is getting all the parts slows it down.

Either way sounds like I better make up my mind and get a frame ordered by end of January for Spring.

EDIT: and if I choose wrong it won't be hard to get rid of it

I got the same timeframe for frames from Rocky (next fall). There is some speculation that if the companies can’t source parts for completes, they *might* get aggressive with frames that are already painted in ‘01 colors.
But that is just a guess, IMO.

[smmokan]

FWIW, GG is moving their factory/etc as we speak, so I imagine there will be some delays coming up.

Nope, no delays on existing orders (still ~8 weeks out). BUT- they're not taking new orders for another 4-6 weeks while they make the transition.

[rideit]

Sounds like as good of a strategy as any for these crazy times. But yeah, that was the future ‘delay’ that I was alluding to.
Nice problem to have, I guess!

[nickwm21]

Anyone been on a Banshee Prime v3?

Waiting 6+ months for a Ripmo AF has me looking at options....


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Welp I did it.

Ripmo AF frame was pushed from 6/1/21 to 7/15/21... so I ordered a Banshee Prime on Saturday. It will be here this week.

Zero qualitative reviews out there on the Prime but some pretty positive reviews on the Phantom and Titan...

Talking to my LBS, Banshee has decent stock right now on most models and sizes. They might be the only show in town...


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[nickwm21]

It’s pretty fucking crazy that Specialized used a production slot during this pandemic and bike craze to push out that carbon push bike. They’re making 200 frames. I’d be pissed if I was in the list for a Stumpy and those push bikes are getting shipped first...


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[Andeh]

Any feel for whether frames are on the same schedule as complete bikes? My guess is getting all the parts slows it down.

Either way sounds like I better make up my mind and get a frame ordered by end of January for Spring.

EDIT: and if I choose wrong it won't be hard to get rid of it

GG has some stuff in stock, but are definitely limited by components on complete bikes. I-9 and Fox parts in particular were hard to come by when I ordered my bare frame mid-summer. That took 10 weeks and was in peak madness. I know they cut a couple weeks off that in the fall.

[SchralphMacchio]

It’s pretty fucking crazy that Specialized used a production slot during this pandemic and bike craze to push out that carbon push bike. They’re making 200 frames. I’d be pissed if I was in the list for a Stumpy and those push bikes are getting shipped first...


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It requires exactly zero parts from Shimano or SRAM. And 200 of those boys boxed up is maybe 8 small pallets? I don’t think carbon fiber is the shortage driving your delayed bikes here.

200k revenue for maybe $40k in fixed and variable costs (soft tooling for that small of a production batch, maybe $10k? And not like it needed complex FEA analysis supporting a 50 lbs max dynamic load, uses standard headset bearings etc, literally not too many engineering hours for a young kid fresh out of Chinese engineering school) ... and way more buzz and people talking about Specialized and not other manufacturers than you can normally pay for with an expensive ad shoot and edit!!! Companies have spent more money on less fruitful advertising projects than that!!! Shit just the expense report savings of not having your sales guys buy dinners for distributors at Interbike would have more than paid for this little project!!!

[alpinevibes]

I'd been reading horror stories about delivery times for Spurs, and a lot of other bikes. But then I'd also read posts that "oh, my local shop has a spur in size __". So I started calling around to all the shops within a few hours that carry Transition. Got a call back a couple weeks later from one saying hey, we just got a medium in do you want to come in and check it out. It's not spoken for? No. OK, I'll be in tomorrow.

I gave this a half-assed attempt in Sept and found a Large GX in St George (7hrs away), but I wasn't ready to sell my bike and buy at that point and I think I missed the window come late Nov when I was ready to pull the trigger. But... I think there's still truth in the concept, as many shops have had delayed inventory showing up while in-person customers are less present and less engaged.

[smmokan]

It requires exactly zero parts from Shimano or SRAM. And 200 of those boys boxed up is maybe 8 small pallets? I don’t think carbon fiber is the shortage driving your delayed bikes here.

200k revenue for maybe $40k in fixed and variable costs (soft tooling for that small of a production batch, maybe $10k? And not like it needed complex FEA analysis supporting a 50 lbs max dynamic load, uses standard headset bearings etc, literally not too many engineering hours for a young kid fresh out of Chinese engineering school) ... and way more buzz and people talking about Specialized and not other manufacturers than you can normally pay for with an expensive ad shoot and edit!!! Companies have spent more money on less fruitful advertising projects than that!!! Shit just the expense report savings of not having your sales guys buy dinners for distributors at Interbike would have more than paid for this little project!!!

That project was clearly a marketing play, and it obviously worked. Everyone and their brother posted about it and stirred up discussion. It was the ultimate click bait for all the MTB media sites.

[toast2266]

That project was clearly a marketing play, and it obviously worked. Everyone and their brother posted about it and stirred up discussion. It was the ultimate click bait for all the MTB media sites.

Yup. That article has over 700 comments on pinkbike. It even did better than the clickbait poll about which standards are the best.

No such thing as bad press.

[Dantheman]

Local Specialized dealer seems to think the wife's new Stumpy EVO is exceedingly unlikely to be here by Xmas but probably won't be too much longer than that. Keeping my fingers crossed. It sounds like bikes are showing up somewhat randomly and orders that were supposed to arrive weeks away will sometimes just show up.

[One (+) Sentence]

Local Specialized dealer seems to think the wife's new Stumpy EVO is exceedingly unlikely to be here by Xmas but probably won't be too much longer than that. Keeping my fingers crossed. It sounds like bikes are showing up somewhat randomly and orders that were supposed to arrive weeks away will sometimes just show up.

A slow trickle of bikes is all anyone is seeing right now. Just too many vendors and pieces of the puzzle to allow a complete bike to ship. I know of one well established brand that is currently unable to ship bikes because they have no brake adapters and they won’t for another 6 weeks. Earlier in the fall another well known brand was unable to ship because they had no saddles. We requested they just ship a few and we would deal with finding saddles for them.

[rideit]

Decent Altitude review, but it is way too light on in-depth ride impressions...

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/field-...duro-bike.html

[westoxified]

Local Specialized dealer seems to think the wife's new Stumpy EVO is exceedingly unlikely to be here by Xmas but probably won't be too much longer than that. Keeping my fingers crossed. It sounds like bikes are showing up somewhat randomly and orders that were supposed to arrive weeks away will sometimes just show up.

I hope she gets it soon. It's incredibru. From what I've been hearing up here and from some Sedona peeps is that the sram builds are coming in faster.

[John_B]

My wife just got an free upgrade to a Fox Factory 36 due to supply chain issues. Bike is at a shop and will be shipped out soon so at least she's got that going for her.

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[grinch]

Betting that'll eat up teh chundaas

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[ticketchecker]

^^ Brick Oven Bike Shop

[smartyiak]

Bikes that make you not want to bike:

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/pivot-...ttle-emtb.html

I'm sure it rides great...most Pivots do, but man is it U-G-L-Y.

[smartyiak]

That's a nice looking frame.

[smmokan]

Bikes that make you not want to bike:

https://www.pinkbike.com/news/pivot-...ttle-emtb.html

I'm sure it rides great...most Pivots do, but man is it U-G-L-Y.

$11,000 for the "XTR" build and you get a handful of XT-level parts (cranks, cassette, etc) and some Pivot-branded shit.

Oh and like you said, and it's ugly as sin.