The Official Argue About Where Upstate NY Is Thread

[BmillsSkier]

WorSt shit show ive seen was going around cleveland January '92. JFC, they did not know how to plow a highway. It got packed down and turned to slippery. Took me 8 hours to go 30 miles. I watched so many wrecks happen by people doing stupid shit. I narrowly missed probably a dozen multicar smash-ups by inches and flying by the seat of my pants. Once we got to NY, things were better.

Lol, I started cutting my teeth in those conditions not long after that. They’ve got more plows and salt than you can shake a stick at. Problem is the giant snow machine between the city and Canada and up until right about the mid-90s, only the enlightened drove euros/imports with AWD or 4wd utes. The rest persisted with RWD Oldsmobuicks from 89. Proudly. Because that’s how dad did it.

I gotta say, that ‘17 storm is when I realized this was a real thing:



Stock all-season Pirellis and that thing ate up every inch of those 53”. Didn’t make the trek over the Chautauqua Lake Bridge any less puckering thanks to a rogue plow and a very brave Volvo XC70 lane shifting anxiously in front of me with zero visibility.

[wooley12]

Tried to beat a storm and ran 104 from Roc to Oswego and back to fetch my college honey. On the return leg the snow was so deep the headlights shorted out.

From my FB feed today.

[EWG]

Tried to beat a storm and ran 104 from Roc to Oswego and back to fetch my college honey. On the return leg the snow was so deep the headlights shorted out.

From my FB feed today.

Now THAT is funny.

In upstate snow driving is not a problem, it’s a sport. Hell, at 18 I could put a full size sedan into a 180 degree spin at 20 mph and slide it into a 30’ parallel parking space on the other side of the road with only a kiss off the snow bank. At will.

Well, 4 times out of 5.

I am not kidding. True fact.

[BmillsSkier]

Now THAT is funny.

In upstate snow driving is not a problem, it’s a sport. Hell, at 18 I could put a full size sedan into a 180 degree spin at 20 mph and slide it into a 30’ parallel parking space on the other side of the road with only a kiss off the snow bank. At will.

Well, 4 times out of 5.

I am not kidding. True fact.

I miss old school SUV’s with handbrakes and the option to toss it in RWD.

As Clarkson says, “the quickest way into a woman’s heart is a properly executed handbrake turn”.

[m2711c]

reverse j turn is really the only reason to own front wheel drive.

[m2711c]

I miss old school SUV’s with handbrakes and the option to toss it in RWD.

As Clarkson says, “the quickest way into a woman’s heart is a properly executed handbrake turn”.

yeah, man... old school suv.




short wheelbase full frame chassis. 2 wheel peel to 4wd on the fly is sweet, coupled with the antilock brakes.... you got a fuckin' deep snow rally machine.

[BmillsSkier]

yeah, man... old school suv.




short wheelbase full frame chassis. 2 wheel peel to 4wd on the fly is sweet, coupled with the antilock brakes.... you got a fuckin' deep snow rally machine.

I see you rallye machine! Not too dissimilar to the Assfinder’s drivetrain.

[huckbucket]

Grew up in ROC and went to college and grad school in CLE over a 10 year period. I've driven that route at least 500 times legit. From that experience there is only one truth. Erie is the geographic center of hell.

Also, let's acknowledge Bmills use of the word Southern Tier. Proud of you man.

[EWG]

Not long after I had gotten my license, maybe winter of my junior year in high school, I’m driving a car full of friends to some raging party. Snow covered streets, big snow banks, street parking. I’m in a big ole rear wheel drive car. We drive past, music blaring, windows open despite the 25 degree air, tryin to look cool. Too fast, slightly downhill. I go to make a right turn into a neighboring street to park.

I still have no idea what I did to make all this happen. We used to go to parking lots and practice spins - “rinkies” we called them. But this didn’t feel like that.

Anyway, somehow I over gassed the rear wheels, over then under steered, then hit the brakes at the same time, and I’m sliding downhill in the middle of the street sideways, totally out of control. Windows open, music pumping all the way up, and now everyone out in front of the house, drunk as hell on shit beer, is watching and pointing at this boat of a car tobogganing down the street out of control.

So again, new driver, panicked and confused in his parent’s car, I slam on the gas instead of the brakes and the car starts spinning more, the end slowly comes around and now I’m pointing uphill and sliding backwards, and I’m just being taken for a ride. No control at all.

But the gas turning the wheels while pointing uphill has slowed everything, and a natural bank to the road carried me slowly right in the 4 wheel skid. I literally simply jack on the brakes and just wait to see how many years I’ll be grounded. With my windows open. And the tape deck turned up to 11. With a car full of guys who, seconds earlier, were attempting to look cool.

The fucking car is slowing down, and as the thing does it hits the only damn open spot in the parallel parking lane for a 100 yards. I was a newish driver and I’m pretty sure I couldn’t have 6 point parked into this fucking spot. Probably only 8 feet bigger than the car. But the beast slides right into the damn thing like it was born to be there. Just a slight bounce off the snow bank.

When I say it ended up perfectly in the spot, I mean perfect. Dead straight, equally spaced, fucking drivers ed teacher couldn’t have done better. Meanwhile, I had forgotten, but 30-40 kids on the front porch were watching me death slide down this super narrow street sideways, beers in hand, and watch me lay that thing dead nuts into the parking spot. Car stops and the place fucking erupts. Erupts. Stunned that didn’t bring the cops. They had just watched some junior take a car down a narrow double parked street, put it into a 20 mph 180 degree skid for 40 yards and finish by sliding that fucker into the only free spot on the street. With the windows open and the music blaring. Looking cool as the duke. As far as they knew, I did that shit on purpose. I did not disabuse them of that opinion.

I was a fucking king that night. Was awesome. Till the cops showed up a couple hours later.

In any case, I decided that if I did it once I could do it again. Took two years, but I eventually got good enough to do it most of the time. Admittedly, under more controlled conditions and at lower speeds. Huge downside risk though.

Regardless, that was a kick ass moment in time.

[BmillsSkier]

^^^
I can picture that exactly. Nicely done.

[stealurface831]

Fuckin right, EWG. I used to hydro-drift my dads whip when the roads were just wet enough. When I say used to, I mean like, last year. Threw er outta alignment somehow and that ended my drift car career. My buddy would do the same thing with his cj but he ended up wrappin er around a phone pole. fkna. dumb shit with cars is fun.

[gravitylover]

Ha, I did pretty much the same thing "on purpose" in my dads Olds wagon pulling into a senior year party. It was the only snowstorm we got that year on LI (not upstate ) and I did it with a doob in my hand. I was all bubbly when I got out of the car and it wasn't wrecked. It didn't get me laid

I see you rallye machine! Not too dissimilar to the Assfinder’s drivetrain.

I had a good friend in Steamboat back in the early 90's that had a Samurai with a Nissan motor and 5 speed out of a pickup on a 4 or 5" lift with 35's. That thing would go just about anywhere! It didn't corner too well though.

[riser4]

Not long after I had gotten my license, maybe winter of my junior year in high school, I’m driving a car full of friends to some raging party. Snow covered streets, big snow banks, street parking. I’m in a big ole rear wheel drive car. We drive past, music blaring, windows open despite the 25 degree air, tryin to look cool. Too fast, slightly downhill. I go to make a right turn into a neighboring street to park.

I still have no idea what I did to make all this happen. We used to go to parking lots and practice spins - “rinkies” we called them. But this didn’t feel like that.

Anyway, somehow I over gassed the rear wheels, over then under steered, then hit the brakes at the same time, and I’m sliding downhill in the middle of the street sideways, totally out of control. Windows open, music pumping all the way up, and now everyone out in front of the house, drunk as hell on shit beer, is watching and pointing at this boat of a car tobogganing down the street out of control.

So again, new driver, panicked and confused in his parent’s car, I slam on the gas instead of the brakes and the car starts spinning more, the end slowly comes around and now I’m pointing uphill and sliding backwards, and I’m just being taken for a ride. No control at all.

But the gas turning the wheels while pointing uphill has slowed everything, and a natural bank to the road carried me slowly right in the 4 wheel skid. I literally simply jack on the brakes and just wait to see how many years I’ll be grounded. With my windows open. And the tape deck turned up to 11. With a car full of guys who, seconds earlier, were attempting to look cool.

The fucking car is slowing down, and as the thing does it hits the only damn open spot in the parallel parking lane for a 100 yards. I was a newish driver and I’m pretty sure I couldn’t have 6 point parked into this fucking spot. Probably only 8 feet bigger than the car. But the beast slides right into the damn thing like it was born to be there. Just a slight bounce off the snow bank.

When I say it ended up perfectly in the spot, I mean perfect. Dead straight, equally spaced, fucking drivers ed teacher couldn’t have done better. Meanwhile, I had forgotten, but 30-40 kids on the front porch were watching me death slide down this super narrow street sideways, beers in hand, and watch me lay that thing dead nuts into the parking spot. Car stops and the place fucking erupts. Erupts. Stunned that didn’t bring the cops. They had just watched some junior take a car down a narrow double parked street, put it into a 20 mph 180 degree skid for 40 yards and finish by sliding that fucker into the only free spot on the street. With the windows open and the music blaring. Looking cool as the duke. As far as they knew, I did that shit on purpose. I did not disabuse them of that opinion.

I was a fucking king that night. Was awesome. Till the cops showed up a couple hours later.

In any case, I decided that if I did it once I could do it again. Took two years, but I eventually got good enough to do it most of the time. Admittedly, under more controlled conditions and at lower speeds. Huge downside risk though.

Regardless, that was a kick ass moment in time.

Bravo!

[BmillsSkier]

Bravo!

I’m picturing it went down like this.

[Peruvian]

There used to be a bar on Western Ave in Albany, across from the police station, that had the beer world tour challenge. I never made it cause I was a broke college kid, but it was a bucket list item at the time.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Meanwhile, downstate parking be like...

[Timberridge]

Quality film work on that.

Some threads here are like that.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

Never bring a bat to a car fight.

[EWG]

I’m picturing it went down like this.

You are not wrong.

On the NYC fight video, if you've been in NYC for any amount of time and you haven't learned that you don't touch any car that isn't already dented up, well, I don't know what to tell you. Cops were probably like "Oh, he hit the car with a bat? Then why'd you call us?"

[m2711c]

At least in the end he got a pretty sweet parking spot...

[huckbucket]

Meanwhile, downstate parking be like...

Ummm ... holy cow. Surely that dude who took a ride through those doors got fucked up. Would never happen upstate FYI.

[EWG]

Would never happen upstate FYI.

Absolutely true. It’s very hard to accelerate like that on black ice.

[Benny Profane]

Quality film work on that.

Some threads here are like that.

Yeah. What phone did that guy use? Nice.

[BmillsSkier]

So the BMW started the fight and the Audi ended it.


Got it.

[I Skied Bandini Mountain]

So the BMW started the fight and the Audi ended it.


Got it.

Upstate would be Buick versus Oldsmobile