Gravel/Bikepack nerds enter...

[mall walker]

someone mentioned ortleib earlier, the S makes one too. I've got a similar thing as climberevan going on, but I'd do the seat bag if the frame bag didn't work out

https://ortliebusa.com/product/saddle-bag-two/
https://www.specialized.com/us/en/st...ext=41118-0201

ended up with one of these, https://www.ovejanegrabikepacking.co...tube-bag-small fits just fine up against the lower fixed portion of my dropper and holds a tube/tool/levers/tubeless kit. got the pump on the water bottle mount... we'll see how this holds up, but for now when it's hot as bejesus every day the back ventilation will be nice

[huckbucket]

I hope you are starting and ending at Beaver river. Sounds like a nice place.

Yes. We'll of course be attempting to confirm the rumor concerning beavers ... and rivers.

[Laps]

I hear it's very moist there.

And warm.


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[CantDog]

Today’s morning mission was put in as many trail miles as possible without going outside of 128. Explored Stony Brook, Franklin Park and Blue Hills, including a really cool section on Burma Trail.


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[huckbucket]

^^
Nice looking bike and outing CD

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

Anyone want some basically brand new tanwall Specialized Pathfinder 700x42's? I rode them maybe 100-150 miles.

They're great tires, but after a few rides, I'd rather sacrifice all the good stuff about the pathfinder for the faster/lighter tire.

$75 + shipping to the lower 48?

[Peruvian]

Maybe it's tech talk, but I figure this crowd would likely know best.

I've got a basic RidewithGPS.com subscription and live it for making routes. I use it on 'walking' for the best gravel roads however, it doesn't show trails, class IV roads, and other cut throughs that I know exist so when I try and click to make a route and join what appear to be 2 dead ends, it sends me all the way around. Is there a way to over ride this or update the settings

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

This doesn't solve your problem, but I've found Gaia is far better at putting together strange gravel routes. Like here we have a shortcut that involves riding along train tracks for couple miles. I'm not even sure if that's legal to do, but we do it. Strava and ridewithgps won't even let me plot a route through there, which makes those routes impossible to build because the ride around is massive. Gaia has no issues with it. Only downside is gaia's vert estimation for a route is way higher than it should be.

[mall walker]

Only downside is gaia's vert estimation for a route is way higher than it should be.

WAY higher lol. I use it for planning cuz the UI is mostly nice, but yeah you gotta take their estimates with a grain of salt. I mapped my ride this morning (very precisely) after riding it. Suunto: 2163 elevation. Strava: 2597. Gaia: 3690.

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

Totally agree. I use Gaia to plan routes and find me when I don't have service, but the stats are so off. My morning bike ride is 1800 on suunto, 2100 strava, and over 3k on gaia.

I don't really get the suunto/strava discrepancies either. I always figured strava was more fine tuned to calculating small vert increases, but I think I just tell myself that since I use it to track rides and like the higher total vert it gives me LOL

[mall walker]

I don't really get the suunto/strava discrepancies either. I always figured strava was more fine tuned to calculating small vert increases, but I think I just tell myself that since I use it to track rides and like the higher total vert it gives me LOL

hahahaha I absolutely do the same thing. I've noticed that suunto doesn't seem to recalculate my vert after the activity has ended, so I use this in my brain as justification for the theory that strava is doing some more accurate magic after the fact... so I get the bigger number. too bad there's not a way to get gaia to track activities (that I know of anyway)

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

now that's a business idea - a tracking app that inflates miles, vert, and for added $ a month your time gets faster during processing

[Dumbest Known Time]

There should be an option on the right hand side of the screen when editing to change to "draw line" mode. That will let you route wherever you please by connecting points in straight lines. Gets a little tedious if you have a long, windy section to route through but it gets the job done.

[Peruvian]

There should be an option on the right hand side of the screen when editing to change to "draw line" mode. That will let you route wherever you please by connecting points in straight lines. Gets a little tedious if you have a long, windy section to route through but it gets the job done.

that’s what i have done. it’s lousy and I guess it’s just a failure of the mapping software to not recognize a trail or road that exists (even if the trail is located on Gaia/etc maps).

I have used Gaia for tracking in the past, but since RWGPS has turn by turn navigation, I prefer it for creating routes.

[scrublover]

I have vague memories of some of that stuff from a couple years there. Solid ride!

[Boissal]

Totally agree. I use Gaia to plan routes and find me when I don't have service, but the stats are so off. My morning bike ride is 1800 on suunto, 2100 strava, and over 3k on gaia.

I don't really get the suunto/strava discrepancies either. I always figured strava was more fine tuned to calculating small vert increases, but I think I just tell myself that since I use it to track rides and like the higher total vert it gives me LOL

I think it boils down to sampling intervals being different between the various softwares. The tighter the sampling interval the more you're going to see small changes in elevation from little ups and downs and maximize vert, in theory getting close to the actual vert. If you have a longer sampling interval you smooth over smaller stuff and lose total vert. You can play with the sampling intervals of GPX tracks in apps like Caltopo and see the effect on the elevation prolife (jagged vs smooth).
There's also some crazy stuff happening when you're stopped and the watch repeatedly pings you in the same spot but for some reason sees it at different elevations. Depending on the processing the software does that can translate to massive increases in vert and if they're not corrected you get to feel like a mini Kilian Jornet.
I recalculated all my vert for a season of touring a few years back (I was really bored) and the total error was about 10% on a 300k season. Fucking GPS... The data is there, the dumb civilian-grade software just can't deal with it.

[huckbucket]

Knocking this out a week from Thurs up in ADK. Two days (out and back). Nothing too extreme, just want to cruise and enjoy it.

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Buddy and I race and ride hard all the time so we spent this trip constantly reminding each other to dial it back. We had all day both days. First day was 70 with ~5600ft of climbing. Second was 60 with 3200. Didn't feel at all like 8800 feet when you take your time and spin the 34-34. Fun trip. Would do it again. Day 1 was rain. And then it rained some more. Day 2 was dry and overcast. Temps were good. The rig was spot on. I overpacked.

Essentially all two lane dirt/gravel where you play the game of dodge the boulder for hours and hours on end. Last 30 miles the game changed to "avoid the washboard."

[half-fast]

The Black Fly plus!

[huckbucket]

Yes to the Black Fly plus. Section north of 28 was good too! Already eying a return to do a big loop from the Limekiln side of Moose River Plains to McCauley Mt.

Also, I'm here to sacrifice my bike packing newbie cherry to the collective and warn you all right now. If you've never strapped a pack to your frame and rattled down some dirt, the first thing you need to do is tape the shit out of your frame to protect it. Seriously.

This sucks. It's not structural, so it's more an ego thing than anything else.

[406]

I have good luck with my bedrock bags black dragon dropper seat bag on my XL ripmo. Uses a couple inches of drop, but that is fine. It will rub if I max out the shock, but that doesn't happen often. Fits a couple days worth of food.



For day rides, I have a tube and CO2 in the dakine gripper moved from above the shock to the seat. Tubes would get to dirty and small holes when using a heli strap. Gripper seems to protect the tube better, but I'm sure when I go to use the tube it will have holes.

Tools and stove in the down tube bag, that a local guy made for me. Inside the triangle is a $8 bag from amazon, fits perfect and hold more than the bag Ibis sells.

[Peruvian]

Sweet bags on that Ripmo. The shock on my Ripley attaches at the top tube, so I’m kinda out of luck for a frame bag.

A few from tonight’s 30 miler with Mrs P.

[Doremite]

^^^^Nice. Bee-utiful day!!!!

[paige.]

that’s what i have done. it’s lousy and I guess it’s just a failure of the mapping software to not recognize a trail or road that exists (even if the trail is located on Gaia/etc maps).

I have used Gaia for tracking in the past, but since RWGPS has turn by turn navigation, I prefer it for creating routes.

I've had some luck with this using the heat map layer on Strava when planning routes. As long as enough other people have ridden that way, it doesn't care what trail or road may or may not officially exist there.

[Peruvian]

I've had some luck with this using the heat map layer on Strava when planning routes. As long as enough other people have ridden that way, it doesn't care what trail or road may or may not officially exist there.

That there, is a good idea.

edit - Perfect! I just checked two spots on a route I'm building and based on the heat map, I should be good to go. Thanks.

[huckbucket]

That there, is a good idea.

edit - Perfect! I just checked two spots on a route I'm building and based on the heat map, I should be good to go. Thanks.

Just check that the heat isn't due to hiking versus biking using checkboxes at left. You could find yourself on an unridable trail.