California is Burning (Again)

[MTT]

Going to shoot. While we watch on our big ass tv

[4matic]

Going to shoot. While we watch on our big ass tv

From 1979:

How can I sit and eat my tea?
With all that blood flowing from the television
At a quarter to 6?
I watch the news, eating, eating all my food
As I sit, watching the red spot in the egg which looks like
All the blood you don't see on the television
Still body now, no movement yet
Five men lie, die flat on their backs
Were they born to lie in state?
Defend the ever stagnate great?

Watch new blood on the 18 inch screen
The corpse is a new personality
Ionic charge gives immortality
The corpse is a new personality

[MTT]

Jeff Mac press. On YouTube. Dam

[MTT]

Might be time to stream music and read a good book. Pretend this is not the world we live in

[billyk]

It looks like many of the old growth redwoods in Big Basin survived the fire. Takes a lot to kill a redwood tree. Of course, the park will still be pretty ugly for a year or more.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/redwoods-...231947823.html

[4matic]

Burned bark Redwoods are a letdown if you have ever been to Redwood NP. It’s sad.

[Sharon Needles]

I live near Muir Woods and many trees there have deep scars from fires hundreds of years ago. I find nothing sad about it. If anything it’s a fascinating reminder of how the trees evolved to survive fire.

[billyk]

Burned bark Redwoods are a letdown if you have ever been to Redwood NP. It’s sad.

Oh, yeah, it’s going to be ugly for awhile. But this wasn’t the first fire that grove has seen. There were some burnt out “chimney trees” there when I visited years ago (I used to live in Boulder Creek}.

[DJSapp]

Burned bark Redwoods are a letdown if you have ever been to Redwood NP. It’s sad.

Not to me. It's a reminder that this too shall pass and they can withstand a natural forest douching. I was up in Yosemite and Sequoia NP's a couple years back, and the burn marks go 50' up the trunk of a 300' giant sequoia is just a simple annoyance to them. Coastal Redwoods are very much the same. They need to lose the lower branches to keep from crowning in future fires as well. You don't get to live 2000+ years and not survive a fire or 10.

[old goat]

Did the fire in BB burn through the crowns?

[billyk]

Here’s another article about how redwoods survive fire.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mer...perts-say/amp/

[old goat]

Here’s another article about how redwoods survive fire.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mer...perts-say/amp/

"Not in 100 years. But much sooner. Amazingly, most of the giant, scorched black trees will begin sprouting green leaves again by this winter, they say, when rains begin." When, or if?

[billyk]

"Not in 100 years. But much sooner. Amazingly, most of the giant, scorched black trees will begin sprouting green leaves again by this winter, they say, when rains begin." When, or if?

The Santa Cruz Mountains was the rainiest place I ever lived. Has it stopped raining there in the winter?

[Ottime]

^^^ Sort of. This past winter was measured in inches. The last decade has been really dry, until it is too wet. For those of us who live here, this fire is devastating, and nit just because of the loss of structures and homes. While many of the redwoods will service this fire, there are many that are on the ground. There were crown fires in several locations. We have the crisped needles in our yard miles away to prove it. This is all in very steep terrain, much of which has burned significantly. This winter, we will have either not nearly enough water, or way way to much. That is how our climate has changed. This past winter was very dry, and this summer lacked the normal amounts of fog, allowing these forest to be the driest they have been in a long time. I fear a very wet winter when these soles will threaten to slide. While it may be a silver lining that some of the old growth will live on, and may be a reminder that this too will pass, we are a long long way from recovery here.

[billyk]

Oh, yeah, this fire is a HUGE disaster for your area. No argument with that. Really a shame.

[jackstraw]

^^^ Sort of. This past winter was measured in inches. The last decade has been really dry, until it is too wet. For those of us who live here, this fire is devastating, and nit just because of the loss of structures and homes. While many of the redwoods will service this fire, there are many that are on the ground. There were crown fires in several locations. We have the crisped needles in our yard miles away to prove it. This is all in very steep terrain, much of which has burned significantly. This winter, we will have either not nearly enough water, or way way to much. That is how our climate has changed. This past winter was very dry, and this summer lacked the normal amounts of fog, allowing these forest to be the driest they have been in a long time. I fear a very wet winter when these soles will threaten to slide. While it may be a silver lining that some of the old growth will live on, and may be a reminder that this too will pass, we are a long long way from recovery here.

Yeah, the brutal landslides were just a couple/few years ago.

Climate change is real and it's happening at a rapid pace.

As much as the US is doing (and not doing) we need the rest of the world (China, India, etc.) to join in or we're all fucked.

[DJSapp]

Did the fire in BB burn through the crowns?

Doesn't look that bad

https://apnews.com/efa48694b12c74a9700b03dbe3ffde30

[billyk]

Yeah, the brutal landslides were just a couple/few years ago.

Climate change is real and it's happening at a rapid pace.

As much as the US is doing (and not doing) we need the rest of the world (China, India, etc.) to join in or we're all fucked.

Landslides have been happening in that valley for a very long time, like eons. I found out that the house I bought when I first moved to Ben Lomond was on the site of an ancient mud slide that ran from there down to Hwy 9. The estimate was that happened maybe 1000 years ago. So I felt fairly safe, but my wife not so much.

There’s a fault that runs right up the valley where the river runs. In fact, that’s why the river is where it is. The fault is what causes the instability because the land is rising causing the very steep slopes to keep increasing.

More recently, in 1982 the Love Creek slide wiped out a bunch of houses and killing several people including some kids. I remember happening on the memorial for that slide, a cross with some kids toys that I assume some family members maintain. Very haunting.

A section of that same area slid again in 2017, but not nearly as large as the 1982 slide.

Anyway, no argument that climate change is bad, or whatever, but just making the point that those landslides in SLV are far from a recent phenomenon. They’ve been going on since ancient times and will continue in the future whenever the ground gets sufficiently saturated. It really is an inherent feature of that valley.

[jackstraw]

^right on.

Steep af valleys in those hills. Crazy place to put houses and roads for sure.

[TBS]

In Vacaville, Chad Little saves his home from fire with a 30pack of Bud lite and a nail
https://www.kltv.com/2020/08/21/cali...ames-wildfire/

[Ottime]

Landslides have been happening in that valley for a very long time, like eons. I found out that the house I bought when I first moved to Ben Lomond was on the site of an ancient mud slide that ran from there down to Hwy 9. The estimate was that happened maybe 1000 years ago. So I felt fairly safe, but my wife not so much.

There’s a fault that runs right up the valley where the river runs. In fact, that’s why the river is where it is. The fault is what causes the instability because the land is rising causing the very steep slopes to keep increasing.

More recently, in 1982 the Love Creek slide wiped out a bunch of houses and killing several people including some kids. I remember happening on the memorial for that slide, a cross with some kids toys that I assume some family members maintain. Very haunting.

A section of that same area slid again in 2017, but not nearly as large as the 1982 slide.

Anyway, no argument that climate change is bad, or whatever, but just making the point that those landslides in SLV are far from a recent phenomenon. They’ve been going on since ancient times and will continue in the future whenever the ground gets sufficiently saturated. It really is an inherent feature of that valley.

For landslide are a part of SLV history. But this size burn is not a part of recorded history, in part because the forest used to be a lot wetter. After a burn, slides become a larger concern.

My buddy built a home up there a few years back. The cost of construction was over $2 million in part due to the fact they had to build pillions to penetrant the old mudslide bed and hit solid ground 50’ sub terrain. And it was a sweet house. It is in the middle of the burn zone, so who knows if it is still there.

Slides will be a much bigger concern this year as the burn scars are significant.

Marine layer is holding on to the smoke. Thick again this morning. SW flow to pick up today will clear some of that out of here and push it toward SJ. This marine layer is good for suppressing the fire, so we are happy. Already miss the crisp clean air we had yesterday afternoon.

Another friend found out their lost the family home. There will be more as fire crews are now clearing roads and getting in to the interior.

Taking the kid to Ord this morning as the air is moderate down there. We were going to leave town to get fresh air, but watching things around the state shit changes every 12 hours. Don’t want to drive to Mammoth and have the air worse than at home.

[LightRanger]

This sucks, eh?

[PB]

Gavin be gettin' cranky.

[Ottime]

Last week there were still places to go to get away from the smoke depending on which way the wind blew. Now we have Barstow left.

[Deebased]

Last week there were still places to go to get away from the smoke depending on which way the wind blew. Now we have Barstow left.

Remember just a few weeks ago when you were bitching about visitors coming into SC because Covid.