Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Buster Highmen]

TGR is pretty socially distant.

[MultiVerse]

It just seems strange to me that can be concluded. When 90% of your time is being spent with an infected person how can you conclude that "close contact" is the most important factor? You just aren't having other types of contact to rule those out as equally important.

Without a doubt there are other unexplained instances of infection. It happens. But we don't have to stop everything. Contact tracing or monitoring close contacts of infected people, for example, has worked in high density Hong Kong as well as Taiwan, Singapore and South Korea.

That doesn't mean America needs to do the same thing, but it does suggest a "close contacts" strategy works.

[Timberridge]

I'm not sure your anal Isis is complete.

Osiris is in the reeds, or at least his most important part.

You have omitted consideration of the topology and Riemannian manifold category.

Does the space admit a nontriavial everywhere vector field of HVAC paths?

Or is it like a bowling ball where you can't comb the hair without a part or a cowlick?

Is the space sufficiently toroidal? Or is it more of a projective plane or more complex lens space?

Yes, certain aberrations to normal airflow in the short duration such as a significantly large woman pushing a cart at 0.5 m/s or more do change the model inputs. Though in various locomotion studies I have conducted, 98% of such large women tend to move under the 0.5m/s threshold.

[Bunion 2020]

6 feet was just a number pulled out that the average person could comprehend.

[skaredshtles]

You have a point, soup nazi sounds better than soup facist.

You spelled "fascist" wrong.

-Grammar Nazi

[Bunion 2020]

OKLAHOMA CITY – Four employees at a McDonald’s in Oklahoma City were injured Wednesday, after a customer saw the lobby was closed because of the novel coronavirus, police said.

According to police, Gloricia Woody entered the restaurant and was told by employees the dining area was closed. After refusing to leave, the woman got into a physical confrontation with a McDonald's employee.

Woody left the store but returned with a handgun. Police said she fired approximately three rounds in the restaurant, hitting one employee in the arm. Two other employees were hit with shrapnel.

The three employees injured by gunfire were taken to a local hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, authorities said.

The woman was taken into custody without incident a few blocks south of the McDonald's.

Social distance Nazi?

[Buster Highmen]

Yes, certain aberrations to normal airflow in the short duration such as a significantly large woman pushing a cart at 0.5 m/s or more do change the model inputs. Though in various locomotion studies I have conducted, 98% of such large women tend to move under the 0.5m/s threshold.

Sounds like it's not a locally Euclidean space.

[old goat]

Interesting observation. I’ve had more co tact with friends recently. I have two friends I ride with, each once per week.

I’ve had a few masked rides with my kid and a friend of his.

During both these types of activities, people are generally six feet apart.

I have a huge deck. Couple hundred square feet. I’ve had a beer with a friend twice back there. Sitting about ten feet apart.

I’ve also watched the neighbors 4 year old once and will do it again next week. His mom broke her elbow and went I for surgery and now PT.

Some of these represent a kissing of personal restrictions. The last is just being a neighbor. Even if my neighbor had family nearby, we would likely still take her kid in these times.


It is sometimes a fine line between keeping socially distant and not being too socially distant.

Doing things for neighbors and friends is certainly important. Doing things outside is safer than inside. I just think we should do our best to take the same precautions with friends and family that doesn't live with you that one would take with a stranger. Remember that all those friends and family have other contacts who have other contacts and they've all been to the grocery store.

[Buster Highmen]

6 feet was just a number pulled out that the average person could comprehend.

Not in Europe, except maybe England or Great Britain.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

Has anyone here cancelled their kids out of summer camps?

Local camps here in VT have already canceled summer. Five overnight camps for varying ages. It's a huge hit, and reminder of the changes taking place


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[Timberridge]

Not in Europe, except maybe England or Great Britain.

Good point. With 3 meters being somewhat longer than 6 feet, one would have to assume that countries who adopted the metric system are inherently safer.

[Toadman]

Which do you want? Thoughts or feelings? Can't have both. See Trump.

You left out prayers and vibes...

[riser4]

TGR is pretty socially distant.

That's why I like it.

[Adolf Allerbush]

The probability of infection is likely a function of not only distance but time and incidences.

In denser environments, even though sufficient proximity may be momentary, there's enough instances to increase the probability. Avoiding public transit is not sufficient to lower the probability in a place like NYC.

I've been wondering why a place like San Francisco, with similar density to NYC, hasn't seen the same virus trend if it's just a "density" thing. I'm not saying it is a population density thing alone, but one would think with the transit system in SF being similar to NY and the population density similar, if it's just those two factors (it's not) then SF would be similar to NYC.

[highangle]

I'm not sure your anal Isis is complete.

Osiris is in the reeds, or at least his most important part.

You have omitted consideration of the topology and Riemannian manifold category.

Perhaps he could consider a rotationally symmetric metric on R^3 with nonnegative sectional curvature, which splits at infinity as the metric product of a ray and the round 2-sphere of scalar curvature one.

...Except that there is no (complete) noncompact k-noncollapsed gradient shrinking soliton with bounded positive sectional curvature...Shit. Nevermind.

[Deebased]

I've been wondering why a place like San Francisco, with similar density to NYC, hasn't seen the same virus trend if it's just a "density" thing. I'm not saying it is a population density thing alone, but one would think with the transit system in SF being similar to NY and the population density similar, if it's just those two factors (it's not) then SF would be similar to NYC.

First of all SF has about half the population density of NYC and is much much smaller.

Second (non-bus) Transit in SF is mainly out to the suburbs while NYC remains dense for a dozen or so miles

[The AD]

I've been wondering why a place like San Francisco, with similar density to NYC, hasn't seen the same virus trend if it's just a "density" thing. I'm not saying it is a population density thing alone, but one would think with the transit system in SF being similar to NY and the population density similar, if it's just those two factors (it's not) then SF would be similar to NYC.

I've got to think the Bay Area's earlier response has something to do with it, and I wouldn't totally discount luck. NYC may have just had a little bit more fertile "seed" than SF did and it started spreading unchecked for too long.

I mentioned a stat here a week or so back that Seoul has a population density twice New York's and they've recorded a grand total of 637 cases and 2 deaths. That's staggering.

[Benny Profane]

I'd like to think the leaders of the country couldn't possibly be this dumb, but...
https://slate.com/business/2020/05/t...irus-dumb.html

What made you think they're smart?

[TG]

also, many of the larger tech companies - facebook, salesforce, apple etc were quite a ways ahead in the move to remote work.

a significant number (10s of thousands) of bay area techies were working from home and distancing well ahead of city and state-wide shutdowns.

[The SnowShow]

I've got to think the Bay Area's earlier response has something to do with it, and I wouldn't totally discount luck. NYC may have just had a little bit more fertile "seed" than SF did and it started spreading unchecked for too long.

I mentioned a stat here a week or so back that Seoul has a population density twice New York's and they've recorded a grand total of 637 cases and 2 deaths. That's staggering.

Not sure I’d say the transit system in SF is like NYC.

[MontuckyFried]

I've been wondering why a place like San Francisco, with similar density to NYC, hasn't seen the same virus trend if it's just a "density" thing. I'm not saying it is a population density thing alone, but one would think with the transit system in SF being similar to NY and the population density similar, if it's just those two factors (it's not) then SF would be similar to NYC.

Yeah, that is interesting. After witnessing downtown SF firsthand last year (at night), I incorrectly predicted that C19 was going to run HARD through the city like wildfire. Between the high population density, the filthy Muni, and the insane homeless population, how could it NOT?

It is going to be seriously fascinating to better understand all the correlating factors after we get to the other side of this thing. As of now, all the experts are still mostly running blind, but the fog may be lifting soon as the data keeps getting compiled. Well, hopefully at least. They could also be totally ignoring a bunch of other data factors, but who knows? Anybody know WHAT they're tracking on COVID patients these days?

[Mazderati]

Distance is tangible and (should be) easy to understand. It is one part of exposure (distance, duration, and load) which is the real metric.

[Mustonen]

Good point. With 3 meters being somewhat longer than 6 feet, one would have to assume that countries who adopted the metric system are inherently safer.

You mean 2 meters, you damn imperial?

I suspect part of why 6 feet is the guideline is that it’s easy to visualize (height of a man) and easy to accommodate (try having a conversation from 10 feet apart, and most facilities can handle 6 feet of distance).

The vast majority of compliance here is voluntary; make it too hard to understand or perform and people will stop paying attention; which they are, and for that reason. Virtually every narrative is driven by one or the other of those. It’s such a balancing act. If we’d just started and ended with a continued and strident message of wear a mask and wash your hands and stop shaking hands and stay at least an arms’ length apart, I wonder what compliance would look like today and how that would have impacted our ultimate R0.

[schuss]

Yeah, SF is much more spread out with fewer people and less transit usage as good luck actually depending on a Muni train to be on time. BART is much more spacious than the NYC subway.

[The AD]

Some good news:
A new study finds that nearly everyone who gets the disease eventually makes antibodies to the virus.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/u...#link-4d432793