Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[bodywhomper]

So, you are saying COVID-19 has been around for 12 years?

Covid-08!

[Lvovsky]

Sounds more like the premise for a Twilight Zone episode than real life.

That’s in Roswell

[Lvovsky]

One way or another we got March madness and April fools.. what’s next? Mayday? As in distress call?

[Ottime]

Holeeeeee fuk.

That’s messed up.

Civil disobedience.
Another month before you get to phase 2?
Maybe phase 2. Or maybe another week of lockdown. Fuck that. It’s not warranted.

If you can go to the supermarket with ppe and distancing, Can’t you go to any retail store with distancing and ppe.

The Karen’s are in control. Bend Overgon.

Phase 1 shows retail is open. Curbside. Karen’s can read at least.

[Rideski]

[Patarero]

Scientists aren't going to say that people who have antibodies after recovering are immune from reinfection until it's been proven, no matter how likely it seems. If there's one thing we know about medicine and about biology in general is that just because something should be true doesn't mean that it is. When Fauci says it's so, then it's so, and the stock market will go up 1000 points.

Hypotheses can only be rejected or fail to be rejected. Too many corner cases in this world and people like to turn anecdotes into data.

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[Patarero]

Well at least there is a phase two past the collect underpants of phase I.

Working in a particular quadrant, can't say I'm missing Amazon out on extended WFH.

Edit: looked like things had almost quieted down completely locally and then 800+ new infections in state today. I'm expecting the virus to take the weekend off again.

7 day signal in the Yakima County numbers....

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[old goat]

People assume that if we open the economy too soon we will be sacrificing the old and vulnerable for the sake of the younger healthier. In fact it's the opposite. Assuming no vaccine or miracle cure, roughly 60% of the population gets Covid 19 until we have herd immunity. If we send the young back to work, restaurants, parties, sports the 60% that gets the virus is mostly those people with a low mortality rate and a relatively low risk of long term health problems. Meanwhile the old and vulnerable stay home and stay uninfected until enough of the young have had the virus. So hit those beaches guys--the sooner you get sick the sooner I can come out of hiding.

[CHAIR_97]

But if you can't go to Gallup, how are you going to get your kicks on Route 66?

Central Ave Albukrazy NM

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[LongShortLong]

yeah, it’s a big difference imo. you can make the argument in favor, but if you’re arguing for GPS, just know it won’t even solve the problem...

No. It's a huge help toward solving the problem

Like every solution I've heard, the single (partial) solution on its own is insufficient. Insufficient is different than useless. Most of these single solutions are each a part of a relatively thorough system to suppress virus spread.

In the case of GPS, say we have a track of everywhere I went in the last 2 weeks. And we want to trace my contacts and quarantine them for 2 weeks. Without the app, the contact trace relies entirely on my faulty human memory, and gives only approximate times and dates.

Now say I catch the Covid, sux to be me. A contact tracer could look at my GPS track, and know roughly how long I was at a bunch of different places (usually within 25 feet). This alone is sufficient to determine I stopped for 5 minutes in a parking lot, went hiking, stopped behind Walmart for 5 minutes, walked to the neighborhood park several times, and visited a professional building for an hour. Any of these activities could spread the Covid, but that hour long professional visit is by far the most likely. Now the contact tracer interviews me. Did anyone ride with me in the car? Did I hike/walk with anyone? Which office and who did I see at the professional building? The GPS track also serves as a reminder of places I've been that I might forget. (Oh shoot, I went to the hardware store too)

Using the GPS tracks, the contact trace interview is reduced to 5 minutes. The health authorities can then follow up with the professional I visited and have the individuals present there quarantine for 2 weeks. Easy-peasy. Those individuals may also need to be contact traced, depending how aggressively we're trying to prevent spread, weighed against how likely it is that both (1) they were infected by me and (2) have since become infective themselves.

Is this overly intrusive on my privacy? No, there's already a dozen apps on my phone tracking my whereabouts, including the phone itself. Maybe you're the one weirdo with no phone, or who carries it with the battery removed. 99% of the rest of us are sheep. Whatever privacy concern you have, almost all of us have already given that data to numerous databases. Your paranoia is cute, but it isn't going to prevent your apocalyptic-government-run-amok-dystopia. The only thing preventing dystopia is armies of techies, lawyers, politicians, and informed voters all trying to keep each other honest. Join us.

And to the "Jesus H Christ" comment... why was he born in Bethlehem? Ah yes, to fulfill Joseph's required registration for government tracking (please complete your census if you live in my state). Tracking is foundational to civilization. See cuneiform for earlier examples.

[mcski]

But if you can't go to Gallup, how are you going to get your kicks on Route 66?

King man, Barstow, or San Bernardino

[gravitylover]

Exits in and out of Gallup NM are blocked off. Unless you have a Gallup address, you’re not getting in.

25,000 city population; 1096 cases in the county. Number of cases in the state 3056.

https://www.krqe.com/health/coronavi...llup-lockdown/

Pass through ok. No stopping for gas, food, or hotels.

Not a lot of places to get kicks open anyway.

Other than as a gas stop there's really no good reason to stop in Gallup. I haven't been there in 34 years but it sure used to be a shithole. That map that rideski posted is scary, the reservations are getting destroyed.

As a traveling sales rep I have to wonder about tracing and isolating if you've been tagged as having been exposed. Would I be allowed to get in the car and drive 300 miles home or would I be looking for a parking lot to camp out in for 2 weeks?

[Core Shot]

Phase 1 shows retail is open. Curbside. Karen’s can read at least.

If you can wander into Walmart and buy a shirt why can’t you wander into the locally owned shirt shop. With distancing etc.

This shit is crushing independent retail.

[Skidog]

No. It's a huge help toward solving the problem

Like every solution I've heard, the single (partial) solution on its own is insufficient. Insufficient is different than useless. Most of these single solutions are each a part of a relatively thorough system to suppress virus spread.

In the case of GPS, say we have a track of everywhere I went in the last 2 weeks. And we want to trace my contacts and quarantine them for 2 weeks. Without the app, the contact trace relies entirely on my faulty human memory, and gives only approximate times and dates.

Now say I catch the Covid, sux to be me. A contact tracer could look at my GPS track, and know roughly how long I was at a bunch of different places (usually within 25 feet). This alone is sufficient to determine I stopped for 5 minutes in a parking lot, went hiking, stopped behind Walmart for 5 minutes, walked to the neighborhood park several times, and visited a professional building for an hour. Any of these activities could spread the Covid, but that hour long professional visit is by far the most likely. Now the contact tracer interviews me. Did anyone ride with me in the car? Did I hike/walk with anyone? Which office and who did I see at the professional building? The GPS track also serves as a reminder of places I've been that I might forget. (Oh shoot, I went to the hardware store too)

Using the GPS tracks, the contact trace interview is reduced to 5 minutes. The health authorities can then follow up with the professional I visited and have the individuals present there quarantine for 2 weeks. Easy-peasy. Those individuals may also need to be contact traced, depending how aggressively we're trying to prevent spread, weighed against how likely it is that both (1) they were infected by me and (2) have since become infective themselves.

Is this overly intrusive on my privacy? No, there's already a dozen apps on my phone tracking my whereabouts, including the phone itself. Maybe you're the one weirdo with no phone, or who carries it with the battery removed. 99% of the rest of us are sheep. Whatever privacy concern you have, almost all of us have already given that data to numerous databases. Your paranoia is cute, but it isn't going to prevent your apocalyptic-government-run-amok-dystopia. The only thing preventing dystopia is armies of techies, lawyers, politicians, and informed voters all trying to keep each other honest. Join us.

And to the "Jesus H Christ" comment... why was he born in Bethlehem? Ah yes, to fulfill Joseph's required registration for government tracking (please complete your census if you live in my state). Tracking is foundational to civilization. See cuneiform for earlier examples.

I will repeat again, since you missed or ignored. Yep if you have a phone they track your movement for THAT companies marketing purposes. In order for the govt to get ANY of that data requires a warrant. It is illegal to share that data otherwise. So yeah you're tracked but not like the proposals being floated for covid tracking. That's Orwell shit man.

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[toast2266]

I will repeat again, since you missed or ignored. Yep if you have a phone they track your movement for THAT companies marketing purposes. In order for the govt to get ANY of that data requires a warrant.

*or permission. Which I bet a majority of the population would give if there was even a minor incentive.

[Vt-Freeheel]

Have fun today! Heading up the hill for some fun. Keep on keeping on [and on and on and on]

[Benny Profane]

I will repeat again, since you missed or ignored. Yep if you have a phone they track your movement for THAT companies marketing purposes. In order for the govt to get ANY of that data requires a warrant. It is illegal to share that data otherwise. So yeah you're tracked but not like the proposals being floated for covid tracking. That's Orwell shit man.

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It's illegal, but these tech giants and app makers do it all the time. Its data, the new oil. Try to sue them.

[Benny Profane]

Careful, Utards, bad testing out there.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/04/...ential-public/

“A pandemic is not the time for amateurs to learn,”

[Skidog]

It's illegal, but these tech giants and app makers do it all the time. Its data, the new oil. Try to sue them.

They sell to marketers and it's supposed to be anonymous. Granted hard to know, so far though apple, Google, et Al, have asked for warrants when it comes to using that data to solve crimes.

Some of the proposals being floated are invasive and against the 4th amendment. None in place yet, here, but talk is enough to scare me. Lots of paranoid people afraid of getting sick would totally sign up or approve a law that they think protects them.

On another note, what Dawn's on me. If the exposure risk is so high why are we not seeing big box store employees dropping like flies? Sure there have been a decent amount and some deaths, but I can't go to a park without maybe catching it, but a Walmart employee can see a 100 customers a day and not get sick? Why can't I go to a smaller biz then?

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[glademaster]

I was going to say something like this, but a little less dramatically and without the choking sex thing. But yeah, believing Bush allowed the towers to fall is not dangerous misinformation that will spread disease.

Yeah, that was a little harsh. I hadn't had my second cup of coffee yet when I posted that.

[seano732]

Central Ave Albukrazy NM

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This.

[Skidog]

Yeah, that was a little harsh. I hadn't had my second cup of coffee yet when I posted that.

All good here man. I get where you're coming from.

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[KQ]

People assume that if we open the economy too soon we will be sacrificing the old and vulnerable for the sake of the younger healthier. In fact it's the opposite. Assuming no vaccine or miracle cure, roughly 60% of the population gets Covid 19 until we have herd immunity. If we send the young back to work, restaurants, parties, sports the 60% that gets the virus is mostly those people with a low mortality rate and a relatively low risk of long term health problems. Meanwhile the old and vulnerable stay home and stay uninfected until enough of the young have had the virus. So hit those beaches guys--the sooner you get sick the sooner I can come out of hiding.

Yanno.... it's getting to the point where I don't know what to believe anymore with regard to this virus.

Is it really all that deadly?

Should we just open up?

Why can't stores open up if everyone wears masks?

Are we over reacting?

Around my town lots of folks continue to live life as they always have and they look at the rest of us like we're crazy.

I used to think they we're the crazy ones after all there's a killer virus circulating but lately, the more I see the same people at businesses I frequent (one feed store in particular) living life as always with no masks or social distancing the more doubt creeps in.

[mall walker]

No. It's a huge help toward solving the problem

Like every solution I've heard, the single (partial) solution on its own is insufficient. Insufficient is different than useless. Most of these single solutions are each a part of a relatively thorough system to suppress virus spread.

In the case of GPS, say we have a track of everywhere I went in the last 2 weeks. And we want to trace my contacts and quarantine them for 2 weeks. Without the app, the contact trace relies entirely on my faulty human memory, and gives only approximate times and dates.

Now say I catch the Covid, sux to be me. A contact tracer could look at my GPS track, and know roughly how long I was at a bunch of different places (usually within 25 feet). This alone is sufficient to determine I stopped for 5 minutes in a parking lot, went hiking, stopped behind Walmart for 5 minutes, walked to the neighborhood park several times, and visited a professional building for an hour. Any of these activities could spread the Covid, but that hour long professional visit is by far the most likely. Now the contact tracer interviews me. Did anyone ride with me in the car? Did I hike/walk with anyone? Which office and who did I see at the professional building? The GPS track also serves as a reminder of places I've been that I might forget. (Oh shoot, I went to the hardware store too)

Using the GPS tracks, the contact trace interview is reduced to 5 minutes. The health authorities can then follow up with the professional I visited and have the individuals present there quarantine for 2 weeks. Easy-peasy. Those individuals may also need to be contact traced, depending how aggressively we're trying to prevent spread, weighed against how likely it is that both (1) they were infected by me and (2) have since become infective themselves.

Is this overly intrusive on my privacy? No, there's already a dozen apps on my phone tracking my whereabouts, including the phone itself. Maybe you're the one weirdo with no phone, or who carries it with the battery removed. 99% of the rest of us are sheep. Whatever privacy concern you have, almost all of us have already given that data to numerous databases. Your paranoia is cute, but it isn't going to prevent your apocalyptic-government-run-amok-dystopia. The only thing preventing dystopia is armies of techies, lawyers, politicians, and informed voters all trying to keep each other honest. Join us.

And to the "Jesus H Christ" comment... why was he born in Bethlehem? Ah yes, to fulfill Joseph's required registration for government tracking (please complete your census if you live in my state). Tracking is foundational to civilization. See cuneiform for earlier examples.

I am not rightly able to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a post.

[happytimefunbox]

Has this been covered yet?