Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Buster Highmen]

But continually playing into the GOP’s ploy of dividing us as you are prone to doing isn’t going to help

Time for some self reflection, pal.

[Adolf Allerbush]

im waiting to see if other states cancel primaries. I think NY was a big deal, why wouldnt they want Joe to have those delegates if he's "the guy". Maybe a coup? Ill hold out hope. Far reach but......

If Biden doesn't have the delegates then that leaves open the possibility of a brokered convention correct? not to go full polyass, but that's what you're getting at correct?

[altacoup]

Are you even aware that Nancy Pelosi is worth more than 100 million dollars?

And sure as shit didn't get there by working for it.

Very aware that almost all are politicians are rich. Never said that’s good. But in our system there’s two parties. You get one of two choices. Don’t like it move. I did that for a while and enjoyed it. But hard to be half a world away from family

[Skidog]

If Biden doesn't have the delegates then that leaves open the possibility of a brokered convention correct? not to go full polyass, but that's what you're getting at correct?

yep.... someone like Cuomo could ride his current popularity wave maybe throw Whitmer on his ticket? Just spitballin here.

EDIT: Sorry...didnt want this poly, but im hoping for another choice to be honest.

[BlatantAlias]

the GPS ones are a joke (like Utah's app). GPS doesn't work for shit indoors, nowhere close to well enough to determine whether you're within exposure distance to another person. it is especially fallible in large buildings (supermarkets, offices, restaurants, etc) which is of course where it's actually needed ...

GPS is only half of the equation for positioning of your mobile device, and you'd be surprised how well a location can be fixed with what would otherwise be unusable cell signal through trilateration.

[mall walker]

GPS is only half of the equation for positioning of your mobile device, and you'd be surprised how well a location can be fixed with what would otherwise be unusable cell signal through trilateration.

the idea that GPS/location services can tell whether you're meaningfully within 6' of another person when you're in say, the 2nd floor of a 10 story building, is very much yet to be demonstrated. that's the precision required here right? I mean the whole nightmarishly orwellian and infosec concerns notwithstanding, why both with an approach that will give you inaccurate data? walk into a supermarket/office building/restaurant/etc and open google maps, if you wonder what I mean.

[Benny Profane]

Very aware that almost all are politicians are rich. Never said that’s good. But in our system there’s two parties. You get one of two choices. Don’t like it move. I did that for a while and enjoyed it. But hard to be half a world away from family

If I knew Italian...

[Rideski]

I think what some of the Asian countries were doing is regarding tested positive people quarantined at home. Therefore, not needed to be very specific to see if that person leaves home.

[Ted Striker]

Yeah, it doesn't need to be accurate. Erring on the side of too many contacts is what they're going for.

[AK47bp]

Th slippery slope that concerns me is the government, trumpsters and some of the posters here think I should die for the economic benefit of Fatherland. Slippery slope. Buchenwald is next? Not the camp, just the results.

From the guy who passive aggressively coughs around families that are shopping for food to try to “teach them some kind of lesson”, then posts about it like a 13yr old girl on the internet.

Go towards the light.


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[Skidog]

I think what some of the Asian countries were doing is regarding tested positive people quarantined at home. Therefore, not needed to be very specific to see if that person leaves home.

your papers sir?

[mall walker]

I think what some of the Asian countries were doing is regarding tested positive people quarantined at home. Therefore, not needed to be very specific to see if that person leaves home.

sure, and that's fine. but that is explicitly NOT what the UT app is for. getting people to surrender their GPS location to try to solve a problem that GPS can't solve is pretty bad, imo.

in this particular case as in many others I suspect someone just swindled our dumbass state government into buying something that won't work... it's still a privacy concern though. doubly so if there is no meaningful positive tradeoff.

[altacoup]

If I knew Italian...

È davvero facile da imparare. Ma devi immergerti.

[dunfree]

I think what some of the Asian countries were doing is regarding tested positive people quarantined at home. Therefore, not needed to be very specific to see if that person leaves home.

Taiwan literally sends the cops if you are quarantining at home and don’t check in to say “I’m at home”

[Rideski]

your papers sir?

[Skidog]

you can pass.

[BlatantAlias]

the idea that GPS/location services can tell whether you're meaningfully within 6' of another person when you're in say, the 2nd floor of a 10 story building, is very much yet to be demonstrated. that's the precision required here right? I mean the whole nightmarishly orwellian and infosec concerns notwithstanding, why both with an approach that will give you inaccurate data? walk into a supermarket/office building/restaurant/etc and open google maps, if you wonder what I mean.

You're talking about app functionality and GPS capability of mobiles, which I agree have the limitations you mention. I'm talking about hardware/network functionality that we as consumers aren't privy to.

[mall walker]

You're talking about app functionality and GPS capability of mobiles, which I agree have the limitations you mention. I'm talking about hardware/network functionality that we as consumers aren't privy to.

ah well sure. there are all kinds of fun/nasty things you can do, checking what wifi networks are nearby (wifi networks tend to stay put) is always a surprising way to figure out where someone is. lord knows what else

[riser4]

you can pass.

To the left.

[XXX-er]

your papers sir?

uh, I only have a pipe man

[bagtagley]

I think I've talked about this, but I've worked with cell phone location data. Data provided by OS and/or carrier, not third party apps. Unless you always have your location turned off (I do most of the time), your location is constantly being collected and is probably being sold. It's anonymized, but we've shown that it's not terribly difficult to determine individuals behind all those coordinates.

[Skidog]

I think I've talked about this, but I've worked with cell phone location data. Data provided by OS and/or carrier, not third party apps. Unless you always have your location turned off (I do most of the time), your location is constantly being collected and is probably being sold. It's anonymized, but we've shown that it's not terribly difficult to determine individuals behind all those coordinates.

so...after a few more post from people in the "industry" (i consider myself part of that industry) what say the masses...

Still willing to sign up? Think Tracking is a good idea? Think we should follow SK?

[Deebased]

the idea that GPS/location services can tell whether you're meaningfully within 6' of another person when you're in say, the 2nd floor of a 10 story building, is very much yet to be demonstrated. that's the precision required here right? I mean the whole nightmarishly orwellian and infosec concerns notwithstanding, why both with an approach that will give you inaccurate data? walk into a supermarket/office building/restaurant/etc and open google maps, if you wonder what I mean.

Its widely available and uses GPS as one of many signals for location derivation

[mall walker]

I think I've talked about this, but I've worked with cell phone location data. Data provided by OS and/or carrier, not third party apps. Unless you always have your location turned off (I do most of the time), your location is constantly being collected and is probably being sold. It's anonymized, but we've shown that it's not terribly difficult to determine individuals behind all those coordinates.

yeah, we slowly keep losing privacy over time. but explicitly giving this information to the government under a false pretense (that it can help with contact tracing) and with the explicit goal of using this information to limit our abilities to be in public is a rather drastic step up eh? in the case of the UT app at least a system with no auditability, not vetted by security experts, no public visibility into how decisions get made, just a black box out of which the police can say "you have to stay home" seems like a big change to me anyway

Its widely available and uses GPS as one of many signals for location derivation

yes and the entire point is: GPS is not suitably accurate on its own or in conjunction with other technologies to determine, indoors, whether 2 individuals are within covid-spreading distance. so why is it there at all? you can determine the whole thing via bluetooth only and spare us 1) the gross privacy invasion and 2) the giant infosec bullseye on your new datastore. even if you trust the intentions of every party involved, do you trust the security practices of the random developer who builds this app? in the UT case it's nobody especially reputable.

[BlatantAlias]

I guess I could consider myself "in the industry" as an RF Engineer designing cellular networks and hardware for 25 years now. I would not sign up for active tracing like this, but I guess my point is that if you have a mobile it's already too late and you're already signed up.