Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[huckbucket]

well, the math result is correct if you ignore the typo

0.13% is higher than the others

and the others are in-line so far

What does 0.13% mean Einstein?

[glademaster]

No, because the conclusion you're trying to draw is complete bullshit, utterly meaningless and you know it.

One more time for the morons.

[Core Shot]

What does 0.13% mean Einstein?

It means full steam ahead for the Trump and 2A Rally! Wooot!!!!!

[Kevo]

Speaking of mosquitos, hiked the road behind my house a few days ago (I live near Buff Pass). It's shady and cold due to aspect, not enough snow to ski down anymore so brought the snowshoes to mitigate the posthole fest once it got to around 8500ft. Stopped for a few minutes for a snack in a nice snowy meadow, temps were hovering in the 40s. Within minutes I was swarmed by mosquitos, thousands of them. They looked desperate, like they haven't seen human flesh in forever, which is probably true. Surprised to see them this early, though we did have some high temps the week before. I ran. I think the bugs are gonna be in full force with less people/pets to pester/feed on this summer.

I'm consistently amazed by the amount of mosquitos in/ around Steamboat in the summer.

[Casey E]

Did anyone get one of the ccp texts? I didn’t.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/u...formation.html

On top of all this now we have to deal with "Wolf Warrior diplomacy" on the part of the party. Info wars and digital viruses are the next front line.

[DBdude]

this one is shocking
new york city

10657 : 83000000 = 0,0012839759

edit: please correct me if those number dont line up..... population to deathrate

maybe one too many zeros in the population number?

[riser4]

Bugs love me. I got sweet, sweet blood. One spring I was out in the driveway shooting hoops with thing #3 and noticed a few bites. I had to go in for something and my son screamed "Dad, come back, the bugs are awful!". I hadn't really noticed the swarm, and they prefer me over everyone else. My son didn't want me to shoot hoops, he wanted bug protection.

[KQ]

Snohomish County Sheriff watched Inslee's press conference yesterday and decided Inslee's plan wasn't much of a plan so he decided he would no longer be enforcing the stay at home order. And unlike right-wing Franklin County, Snohomish County votes democrat and has the third highest per-capita income, and third highest population, of any county in the State.

Wow. Still I can see how some politicians feel helpless and desperate to help their constituents and they can't bare to see people suffering. They just want to make it all go away and have things the way they were.

That said, Curt Didier is still an idiot.

[DBdude]

Wow. Still I can see how some politicians feel helpless and desperate to help their constituents and they can't bare to see people suffering. They just want to make it all go away and have things the way they were.

That said, Curt Didier is still an idiot.

I find it refreshingly re-enforcing of my opinion of law enforcement officials who think they are more well informed on a population health issue than the governor and the experts he is consulting

yes sir ee

[evdog]

Speaking of idiots, someone has made the decision to re-open National Parks. You know, the places where 95% of visitors stay within a mile or so of trailheads and amenities. I'm sure social distancing won't be an issue.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us...cid=spartandhp

[skaredshtles]

I'm consistently amazed by the amount of mosquitos in/ around Steamboat in the summer.

You ever backpacked in the Flat Tops?

[MultiVerse]

please correct me if those number dont line up..... population to deathrate

As others have shown the numbers don't add up but rather than ratios, a rough lower bound for potential U.S. deaths as of 4/21 might be possible by extrapolating from NYC. Divide NYC deaths by the NYC population multiplied by the U.S. population: (1.4e4 / 8.4e6 ) * 3.3e8 = 550,000. That's a lower bound of 550K if the U.S. population becomes proportionate with NYC yesterday.

[Deebased]

Snohomish County Sheriff watched Inslee's press conference yesterday and decided Inslee's plan wasn't much of a plan so he decided he would no longer be enforcing the stay at home order. And unlike right-wing Franklin County, Snohomish County votes democrat and has the third highest per-capita income, and third highest population, of any county in the State.

Yup when the governors are dumbfucks local govts have to take the response into their own hands....Sounds vaguely familiar doesn't it?

[skaredshtles]

Wow. Still I can see how some politicians feel helpless and desperate to help their constituents and they can't bare to see people suffering. They just want to make it all go away and have things the way they were.

I'm also able to empathize with the conservative mindset that doesn't EVER want anything to change. It's apparently *extremely* hard for some to come to grips with the fact that things are NOT going to be the same. Perhaps ever. And just simply pretending that things have not changed will result in more people dying needlessly AND the economy tanking even worse than it has.

<shrug> What are ya gonna do, right?

[twat]

maybe one too many zeros in the population number?

ok corrected it...
10657 : 8300000 = 0,0012839759

but still


San Marino = 0.00117

Singapore = 0.00000213

NYC = 0.0012839759

Landeck = 0.00031558541

Sweden = 0.00018754841

USA = 0.00013719512

Tirol = 0.00012455198

Switzerland = 0.00017337209

these are just numbers.
in general I leave the thinking for the horses, they got a bigger head

[old goat]

I thought that there is still cocaine in some cough syrup... yes/no

Bloodletting is now called “therapeutic phlebotomy.”

Codeine, not cocaine. Yes, you can still get cough medicine with codeine in it, but only by prescription.
Therapeutic phlebotomy is a rarely done procedure, done mainly for polycythemia rubra vera, a cancer-like condition where the bone marrow makes so many red blood cells that they clog the arteries. A totally different concept than the blood-letting for all manners of disease done in the past. The difference between a scientifically based procedure and one based on superstition, "intuition", and faith--a distinction well worth keeping in mind today.

[huckbucket]

ok corrected it...
10657 : 8300000 = 0,0012839759

but still


San Marino = 0.00117

Singapore = 0.00000213

NYC = 0.0012839759

Landeck = 0.00031558541

Sweden = 0.00018754841

USA = 0.00013719512

Tirol = 0.00012455198

Switzerland = 0.00017337209

these are just numbers.
in general I leave the thinking for the horses, they got a bigger head

Why don't you tell me why the graph below matters?

[Dhelihiker]

CDC is estimating 40 million flu cases this season so far which peaked in February. So tens of millions had it Jan-Feb., and the B version being particularly nasty this time. How many people do you think had COVID in January and February in the states out of tens of millions?

B version of what? I have no guess on the other, whats the point of guessing?

[MultiVerse]

Switzerland, a country with an advanced health care system, just did a seroprevalence survey for hard hit Geneva on April 17 and their ratio of unconfirmed-to-confirmed was only 6:1, with 94.5% uninfected, 5.5% infected, and a death rate ten times higher than the flu.


https://translate.google.com/transla...on&prev=search

[twat]

Why don't you tell me why the graph below matters?

because i dont know who got tested and when?
like test was done 10 days after symptoms.
test was done after contact with a sick person.
test was done in hospital with person having breathing issues and pneumonia like symptoms

[Deebased]

I'm also able to empathize with the conservative mindset that doesn't EVER want anything to change. It's apparently *extremely* hard for some to come to grips with the fact that things are NOT going to be the same. Perhaps ever. And just simply pretending that things have not changed will result in more people dying needlessly AND the economy tanking even worse than it has.

<shrug> What are ya gonna do, right?

Cower in Fear scratch that I mean shelter in place

[old goat]

Ventilators help with the work of breathing. They don't do shit for gas exchange (i.e. oxygenation.). The problem with this virus is that it attacks the ability to take in oxygen at the level of the lungs. Ventilators don't do shit with respect to the delivery of more oxygen.

Now entertain the following conjecture: When you hold your breath for more than a few seconds, that driving need to breath you feel is not because your oxygen is low, it's because your CO2 is high. That's why divers hyper-ventilate before they go for a lengthy dive. This drives their CO2 lower and allows them stay under water longer.

Folks suffering from this chi-com virus present hypoxia, yet they don't have a problem unloading CO2 when they exhale (which is what kills people with COPD). What sucks is that current medical dogma dictate that such patients be "tubed" and put on a fucking ventilator in hopes that they will beat the virus and get off the vent. This works when the problem is ventilation, not oxygenation. Even when appropriate, the longer a patient is on the vent, for any reason, the harder it is to get off of it. Atrophy sucks and it happens pretty fucking quickly.

Not quite true. Intubating someone allows higher concentrations of oxygen to reach the lungs than can be delivered by nasal cannula or mask, thus raising the O2 in the blood. Ventilator settings which maintain positive pressure in the airways (PEEP, CPAP) can expand collapsed alveoli and thereby increase oxygen in the blood.
The proper respiratory management of COVID-19 patients is controversial, a work in progress, not the open and shut case you make it out to be.

[twat]

Switzerland Geneve Genf

193 : 200000 = 0,000965

[Kevo]

You ever backpacked in the Flat Tops?

I've only ever gone trail running in the Flat Tops. Def got mobbed anytime I was standing still.

[old goat]

An article about blood clotting being one of the major causes of morbidity and death in Covid 19. Very scary shit. Unfortunately, the virus appears to affect the blood clotting and inflammatory chemistry and the interaction between the two, the most poorly understood aspect of human physiology (after how the brain works) despite many decades of study. The article points out how little we know about this disease. It talks about people dying suddenly at home, in addition to the folks dying after weeks on the ventilator.
It's not just the total number of people infected we don't know, it's also the total number of people dying of Covid 19 we don't know.
So anyone (including me) who wants to pontificate about the incidence of infection or the mortality rate should probably STFU.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...s-blood-clots/