Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[old goat]

Bummer. Where are all those Australians going to go to get blackout drunk?

Australia?

[Buster Highmen]

A diversion--on the subject of Dr. Jenner et al, I've always been fascinated by medical and especially surgical history. My favorite is Ephraim McDowell. The description of the successful abdominal operation--done on his kitchen table on the Kentucky frontier when the greatest surgeons in Europe had been unsuccessful--boggles my mind.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephraim_McDowell

"The Speckled Monster"
"The Invention of Air"
"Infiniesimal"

Not on surgery, but historical science.

[Casey E]

Total deaths vs “normal” in advanced countries, gives an idea of under-reporting (probably not intentional):

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e=articleShare

I am going to try and keep tabs on this, which is simple and relatively easy to interpret.

[Casey E]

Also gotta keep an eye on this conversation



And which direction this finally takes...

[Mofro261]

Or Hong Kong population 7.5 million with 1,000 cases and 4 deaths. New York could be down to bad luck. Airports with lots of international travelers, some super-spreaders, no tests and no quarantines during the critical early stages leads to a calamity.


Hong Kong, the semi-autonomous city took the route that the World Health Organization recommends and embarked on a rigorous program of testing everyone with symptoms. Those who tested positive were quarantined in hospital. All their contacts over recent days were traced and instructed to self-isolate. In early March, about 400 outpatients and 600 inpatients were being tested every day.

Strict controls were brought in at the borders. Anyone arriving from mainland China or a country with Covid-19 cases was required to go into quarantine for 14 days. Holiday camps and new but unoccupied housing estates were turned into quarantine facilities. Schools were closed and people were encouraged to work from home if they were able to.

Hong Kong has not had a rigid lockdown. Although people were not required to stay at home, they chose to change their behavior.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...virus-lockdown

FWIW, Sweden also aggressively tested and quarantined people entering the country.

Hong Kong and China lived through Sars1 in 2002-3 and various zoological flu transmissions since.

Preparing for pandemic after living through it offers the benefit of hindsight. Rigor early on and an entire population accustomed to wearing masks.

[MultiVerse]

^ Agreed, but the intended takeaway is a counter to "NYC is a filthy & disgusting hive of villainy and scum," that it's something inherent to NYC, but instead it's whether a response happened quickly before exponential growth took over. Population density obviously makes disease spread easier but density is not destiny.


Outside of Asia, Australia for example, shows you stop the virus from spreading then the transmission rate looks something like 0.5. The hospitality industries have been largely shut down, but people are still free to work and, anecdotally at least, business outside the hospitality sector is picking up as good news comes in about the nation beating the virus. Get it right, and for them, it's taken one month from peak new cases for the economy starting to pick up.

[happytimefunbox]

Also gotta keep an eye on this conversation

MAGA!!!!!

[huckbucket]

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/21/...most-kill-him/

Look man, this headline distorts reality. 97% and 95% of deaths in Boston and NY respectively had underlying conditions.

[Core Shot]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/o...imes&smtyp=cur

There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.

Not a bad idea.

That article is quite accurate and well written.

[huckbucket]

Coronavirus antibody testing shows LA County outbreak is up to 55 times bigger than reported cases
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/coro...ted-cases.html

This is the study that I mentioned a few pages ago should NOT be trusted. There were big problems with the data.

[Buster Highmen]

density is not destiny.

It is for some.

[glademaster]

^Paging Booner.

[bodywhomper]

This is the study that I mentioned a few pages ago should NOT be trusted. There were big problems with the data.

Can you repost? I posted the same study upthread but from the LA Times. I looked and didn’t see any info about the study on this thread. This thread is moving too fast.

[Ottime]

Agreed. Also lived in NYC for 6ys before retreating to the 'burbs. NYC is a filthy & disgusting hive of villainy and scum - no wonder dummy profane thinks it's the greatest. Constant rat race living packed in like rats is no way for humans to live, especially when one has to be comparatively over employed or trust funded in order to live in NYC in any sort comfort. Subways are the worst. I call it 'going down into the sewers'.

Not true. My brother in law and wife are teachers and own their home in Brooklyn. You don't have to be over employed to live in NYC. That is just plain wrong. They have a good life on teacher salaries. They are not skiing dentists. But I guess if you like living in the 'burbs, you were to made for the city.

And the subway here is so fucking funny, Go ahead and keep driving your cars, cause they are so much better at heating up the planet. I mean, the hour of being close to other people. The horror of being close to the masses. Best to stay at home

And the rat race. As if that was not the American dream, living in a suburban McMansion with a nice fancy car to show the masses how above them you are.

Oh, and stay away form those pot selling states. You might get high and get a clue.

[Deebased]

This looks like Trump disinformation. Worldometer says US testing is at 12K per million which is lower than a long list of countries including Spain, Italy, Germany, Switzerland, Portugal, Israel, Austria, Norway, Ireland, Canada, Australia, Russia...

And then you have countries like South Korea and Taiwan that are administering fewer tests per million because they brought their outbreak under control much more quickly. Tests per million can indicate a country is on top things or it can indicate a country waited too long and is getting slammed.

Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

You are correct about the ranking in testing per capita (Us is top 20). Everything else is bang on

[iceman]

I’m just going to put this here.


https://crooksandliars.com/2020/04/m...htnWaYqitSlXXY

It's been shown repeatedly that the virus has a well-developed sense of irony.

[Deebased]

population density, lots of old people, not that healthy and I personally think that adding a ton of stress to a really bad flu does not help either. People that get it say the mental affect was substantial, scared shitless.

You're bang on re:stress.

Estimates are that 500,000 people died early from the financial meltdown primarily due to stress based acceleration of other diseases.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ccording-to-l/

So yeah the cure is looking to be worse than the disease for C19.

[4matic]

Went to Walmart early AM. I’m impressed with the cleanliness, procedure, and staffing.

[iceman]

Coronavirus antibody testing shows LA County outbreak is up to 55 times bigger than reported cases
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/20/coro...ted-cases.html

Nearly a third of 200 blood samples taken in Chelsea show exposure to coronavirus
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/...e-coronavirus/

The first one would seem to confirm that the virus is more easily transmissible than had been thought but at a 4% infection rate it's hardly reason to be optimistic. Plus I just read a post from Huckbucket that there were issues with how it was done in the first place. The second one has serious selection bias issues and is useless for modeling.

[mdblows]

Went to Walmart early AM. I’m impressed with the cleanliness, procedure, and staffing.

That's because their usual crowd is out protesting in front of the state Capitol

[4matic]

That's because their usual crowd is out protesting in front of the state Capitol

Not in California. Everyone including shoppers have mask too.

[Benny Profane]

That's because their usual crowd is waiting in food lines elsewhere

Fify

[Deebased]

^ Agreed, but the intended takeaway is a counter to "NYC is a filthy & disgusting hive of villainy and scum," that it's something inherent to NYC, but instead it's whether a response happened quickly before exponential growth took over. Population density obviously makes disease spread easier but density is not destiny.


Outside of Asia, Australia for example, shows you stop the virus from spreading then the transmission rate looks something like 0.5. The hospitality industries have been largely shut down, but people are still free to work and, anecdotally at least, business outside the hospitality sector is picking up as good news comes in about the nation beating the virus. Get it right, and for them, it's taken one month from peak new cases for the economy starting to pick up.

Compared to Taiwan and HK NY is a filthy disgusting hive of scum.

[Benny Profane]

We own you, motherfucker.

[Deebased]

We own you, motherfucker.

Amazing....Beeny starts cheerleading for the banks when it supports his cause.