Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Shutdown protests definitely not politically motivated.

None of those folk look hungry, could probably miss a few more meals.


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[TBS]

Meanwhile in our little slice of Paradise

[jono]

No genius, it was Nancy Pelosi showing off her expensive ice cream collection in her one of two 20,000 dollar refrigerator freezers.

Perhaps it would be. In any normal news cycle.

[gretch6364]

It sure would be nice if we had true statistics for infections, deaths and test. The numbers just don't add up when comparing the US to the rest of the world.

[XXX-er]

Is TGR an accurate picture of America OR do you have mostly science believing/ critical thinking/ leaf liking/ snow flakes who have evolved to breath thru < their mouths posting here ?

[rideit]

Ski forums are going to be, by nature, skewed towards higher income/higher education, so there’s that.

[Deebased]

Small business fund runs dry while much of the money went to big hotel and restaurant chains, not small businesses.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...s-program-dry/

Re the Feds seizing PPE https://www.latimes.com/politics/sto...virus-supplies
The reporting on this seems to be 2 weeks old, so hard to know if it's still going on.

Its still going on. Heard from an importer over the weekend who got 3M 95's seized.

[Core Shot]

Number of US unbanked was 20.5MM people as of 2017; US underbanked was 65MM people.

https://economicinclusion.gov/surveys/2017household/

Stop the actual facts and figures. We want to make broad generalizations here based on our opinion biases.

Anecdotally I have a few employees that have their checks deposited to a prepaid credit card.
It’s easier than balancing a checkbook.
And the app allows you to know exactly how much money you have left.

So they are technically unbanked.

[kathleenturneroverdrive]

And the app allows you to know exactly how much money you have left.

Every bank has an app that tells you how much money you have left

[Benny Profane]

For the life of me, I cannot grasp why heeding experts and trusting in the established institutions have fallen out of style. Wanna know why they recommend something? They'll walk you through the body of evidence, show you the variables / knowns and unknowns and make predictions you can later evaluate and ultimately reapply to make even better predictions. Isn't seeing it all with transparency and demonstration comforting? These are the people who brought you all of modern medicine, all of your technology - landed us on the fucking moon.

Everyone peddling an 'alternative' has some cloak and personal agenda. Every fucking time. Buying in benefits them not you - and asks for your blind allegiance and compliance. As soon as it starts with "what if..."... fucking head for the hills. These people have brought us nothing - not once. No deliverables ever. How is there comfort in that? Is the confirmation bias that compelling and satisfying? I guess it is. I wish it was surprising.

Why? Weapons of mass destruction. Bailout of Wall Street. Just to mention two great lies.

[Mazderati]

Stop the actual facts and figures. We want to make broad generalizations here based on our opinion biases.

Anecdotally I have a few employees that have their checks deposited to a prepaid credit card.
It’s easier than balancing a checkbook.
And the app allows you to know exactly how much money you have left.

So they are technically unbanked.

The 2017 sum of unbanked and underbanked is around 85MM. That's close to the 91MM paper checks. How close the relationship is to 1:1 is up for debate.

[XXX-er]

there are a lot of the great unwashed that the banks simply don't want

i was working on a post office POS system when I noticed a guy paying all his bills with postal money orders so i asked the manager wtf and she said yeah a lot of people have screwed up in the past or the banks just don't want and this is how they "bank" this is how they pay bills

[Deebased]

That paper has been making the med twitter rounds as the poster child for shoddy work. Just saying.

That's a tough one. Several other antibody studies in the past week from Italy, Germany and the US are showing similar results (2-50x of C19 infects are asymptomatic...Yes I know that's a massive range).

Yielding a composite conclusion.. C19 is far more transmittable and far less lethal than initially thought.

Russia had an interesting study back in Feb postulating an R0 value of up to 11.

More testing should help to resolve the range and even map it to demographics

[Ted Striker]

Not that I disagree at all about getting on planes, but it seems pretty reasonable that the filters only filter recirculated air: why would you worry about filtering incoming air?

Yeah I thought all planes have HEPA filters.

"Most aircraft have robust filter systems. Except for some smaller or much older aircraft, airplanes are equipped with True High-Efficiency Particle Filters (True HEPA) or High-Efficiency Particle Filters (HEPA). These filtration systems then filter and recirculate the air from the cabin and mix it with fresh air."

"In reality, the air is very clean. On all modern aircraft, passengers and crew breathe a mixture of fresh and recirculated air. ... The air circulates until eventually it is drawn into the lower fuselage, where about half of it is vented overboard—sucked out by the pressurization outflow valve."

The airplane isn’t pressurized by forcing air in. It’s pressurized by not letting air out. That starts with the air at the gate with all the passengers walking in and sitting there. Once you close the doors, you’re trapping that air inside. You’re breathing it before it gets pulled in by the recirc fans.

[CarlMega]

Why? Weapons of mass destruction. Bailout of Wall Street. Just to mention two great lies.

I said experts not politicians. Read: scientific community.

[The AD]

For the life of me, I cannot grasp why heeding experts and trusting in the established institutions have fallen out of style. Wanna know why they recommend something? They'll walk you through the body of evidence, show you the variables / knowns and unknowns and make predictions you can later evaluate and ultimately reapply to make even better predictions. Isn't seeing it all with transparency and demonstration comforting? These are the people who brought you all of modern medicine, all of your technology - landed us on the fucking moon.

Everyone peddling an 'alternative' has some cloak and personal agenda. Every fucking time. Buying in benefits them not you - and asks for your blind allegiance and compliance. As soon as it starts with "what if..."... fucking head for the hills. These people have brought us nothing - not once. No deliverables ever. How is there comfort in that? Is the confirmation bias that compelling and satisfying? I guess it is. I wish it was surprising.

Sorry for venturing into political territory, but it's largely on Trump. By doing it himself he's given anti-science dipshits across the country a voice.

[The SnowShow]

That's a tough one. Several other antibody studies in the past week from Italy, Germany and the US are showing similar results (2-50x of C19 infects are asymptomatic...Yes I know that's a massive range).

Yielding a composite conclusion.. C19 is far more transmittable and far less lethal than initially thought.

Russia had an interesting study back in Feb postulating an R0 value of up to 11.

More testing should help to resolve the range and even map it to demographics

Ireland’s testing shows this too.

[The SnowShow]

It sure would be nice if we had true statistics for infections, deaths and test. The numbers just don't add up when comparing the US to the rest of the world.

What do you mean by the numbers don’t add up?

[Buster Highmen]

Sorry for venturing into political territory, but it's largely on Trump. By doing it himself he's given anti-science dipshits across the country a voice.

Disagree. Trump is a symptom more than a result.

Although he does know how to manipulate the medium.

[dunfree]

It sure would be nice if we had true statistics for infections, deaths and test. The numbers just don't add up when comparing the US to the rest of the world.

it must be nice to have a job where you can comfortably pretend there are “true” numbers and statistics. The hard part is assembling good data.

[dunfree]

Disagree. Trump is a symptom more than a result

Tom Nichols wrote a whole book on it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Death_of_Expertise
the quote on said wiki page reminds me of this thread.

[The AD]

Disagree. Trump is a symptom more than a result.

Although he does know how to manipulate the medium.

Maybe you're right. In any event they finally found a powerful supporter to justify their worldview.

[Danno]

Sorry for venturing into political territory, but it's largely on Trump. By doing it himself he's given anti-science dipshits across the country a voice.

Ignoring experts and science has been part of the playbook for a long time, it didn't just start in 2016. In fact, it's existence prior to 2016 is a large part of what Trump harnessed.

[The AD]

Ignoring experts and science has been part of the playbook for a long time, it didn't just start in 2016. In fact, it's existence prior to 2016 is a large part of what Trump harnessed.

I agree it has. It just seems like anti-intellectualism, xenophobia, and racism have become a lot more overt over the last few years.

[Self Jupiter]

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