Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Buster Highmen]

Why are people so opposed to wearing a mask? I don't get it.

Some of us can't deny the world our coruscating beauty.

[MontuckyFried]

So, since this was expected all along, what is the point people are trying to make by repeatedly bringing it up?

The point being that if we're in an ultra-low risk category than let us get back to business, and if a person's in a higher risk category, then THEY should hole up. Simple as that. You young and healthy with a great immune system? Get after it, then! You a fatty who lived a lifetime of chain smoking and hard drinking, then yeah. Keep your ass at home. Everyone else can maybe be somewhere in the middle. As in proceed with caution. We can keep up the whole distancing thing, keep on top of good hygiene, mask wear, whatever you wanna do. We can do that as a society and ARE doing that, but the total shut down is hurting us immeasurably.

Initially everyone said we gotta flatten the curve. Flatten the curve. Flatten the curve. Well sure enough, we've flattened that curve pretty well. Hospitals around here at least are absolutely NOT overwhelmed with COVID patients. Hell, they're all dead because they've been on standby for weeks waiting for patients but it's pretty much crickets (in proportion to hospital capability that is).

Sucks how many surgeries have been postponed due to this. When they open back up for business, THEN you want to talk about getting overwhelmed?

[Buster Highmen]

Deft sarcasm there.

[BCMtnHound]

Why are people so opposed to wearing a mask? I don't get it.

Not opposed to wearing a mask; no such orders here yet. I do question the effectiveness in a place where I can maintain social distancing relatively easily, and me coughing and sneezing due to seasonal allergies/sensitivities. One good sneeze, and from my understanding a standard cloth mask is done. And when the attack hits, there are 4 or 5 from a guy with big lungs. I'm going to take drugs for my sinus sensitivities for the first time in decades so that such symptoms are alleviated (but they will make other aspects of my condition worse), but still wondering at the technical aspects for such a common issue at this time of year. No one here has yet to give me a good answer.

[Cono Este]

Autos vs mass transportation. There are no subways and trains in L.A.

Yes, very good point.




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[BCMtnHound]

The point being that if we're in an ultra-low risk category than let us get back to business, and if a person's in a higher risk category, then THEY should hole up. Simple as that. You young and healthy with a great immune system? Get after it, then! You a fatty who lived a lifetime of chain smoking and hard drinking, then yeah. Keep your ass at home. Everyone else can maybe be somewhere in the middle. As in proceed with caution. We can keep up the whole distancing thing, keep on top of good hygiene, mask wear, whatever you wanna do. We can do that as a society and ARE doing that, but the total shut down is hurting us immeasurably.

Initially everyone said we gotta flatten the curve. Flatten the curve. Flatten the curve. Well sure enough, we've flattened that curve pretty well. Hospitals around here at least are absolutely NOT overwhelmed with COVID patients. Hell, they're all dead because they've been on standby for weeks waiting for patients but it's pretty much crickets (in proportion to hospital capability that is).

Sucks how many surgeries have been postponed due to this. When they open back up for business, THEN you want to talk about getting overwhelmed?

A highschool friend just lost his goddaughter to COVID-19. 18yrs old and so far no indication she had prior conditions. You have young kids. What are you willing to forego to slow the likelihood that they will be exposed to this virus until either actual risk is known or a vaccine is developed. Your vehicle? Your house mortgage? Give us a number please. Just to put everything in proper context. Thanks.

[jono]

Getting kids backs in school should be a priority for the younger children since we know early development matters most.

In the meantime, just throwing this out there in general, Khan Academy demand has spiked and they could use a little help:

https://www.khanacademy.org/donate

Thanks for mentioning that. I was just thinking this morning of sending links to basic math courses to all the boomer relations that have been Zuckerbitching about the need to re-open the economy. I found a great one on the Kahn Academy site:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/alg...l-growth-decay

Complete with a quick little quiz for them to take before rendering further opinions. Imagine what would happen if we spent the spare timing learning!

Now I just have to dial up enough calm to type out a respectful explanation of its importance for people who don't already understand why math and logic matter. That is one hell of a challenge.

[MultiVerse]

More interesting still was the U Cambridge study released in PNAS today.

Wuhan strain younger than the US/Euro Strains and less virulent?

Here's a pretty good synopsis https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...er-say-british

It's not the U Cambridge per se, it's three people with a software company located in Cambridge plus a fourth figurehead. And it looks like bad science. It looks like they found the closest bat virus to COVID-19 and then through some hand waving claimed they are both from the same family tree even though that's not case. Expect to see the paper retracted at some point.

https://www.fluxus-engineering.com/fluxe00m.htm

https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2.../07/2004999117

[Lvovsky]

no..... no... he wants it but it's up to other people and if they fail well then he can say "I told you so"

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It’s time for Twitter to close his account. Should have done it long time ago.

[f=ma]

Autos vs mass transportation. There are no subways and trains in L.A.

LMAO...c'mon man....LA literally has a subway

[LongShortLong]

Not opposed to wearing a mask; no such orders here yet. I do question the effectiveness in a place where I can maintain social distancing relatively easily, and me coughing and sneezing due to seasonal allergies/sensitivities. One good sneeze, and from my understanding a standard cloth mask is done. And when the attack hits, there are 4 or 5 from a guy with big lungs.

Why would one sneeze wear out a mask? It'll still block the next sneeze, block a cough, and block spittle (from talking).

When I worked in a cleanroom, we only changed cloth face masks a few times a week. If it keeps shit off chips, it'll keep covid off your neighbor just as effectively.

[Ted Striker]

My guess is they all have below average penis size.


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Dick and gun sizes are inversely proportional.

[jono]

Not opposed to wearing a mask; no such orders here yet. I do question the effectiveness in a place where I can maintain social distancing relatively easily, and me coughing and sneezing due to seasonal allergies/sensitivities. One good sneeze, and from my understanding a standard cloth mask is done.

That part right there is where your understanding goes wrong: a cloth over your mouth is not at all destroyed by a sneeze or cough. You've worn mask in cold weather, right? Getting wet does not significantly inhibit its ability to slow airflow, which is the primary way it reduces the splatter radius.

Think of two people breathing in cold air: the one with a mask will have visible vapor just like the guy without one, but the distance traveled drops 90%. And I don't know about you, but my ski masks are at least a little wet with spit or sweat most of the time. They still work. They pre-warm and moisten the air a little better, even. It's not a problem. All those little squirrelly passages still create turbulence and keep my exhales close. I started carrying a spare before the lifts closed. It's an easy precaution.

[BCMtnHound]

Why would one sneeze wear out a mask? It'll still block the next sneeze, block a cough, and block spittle (from talking).

When I worked in a cleanroom, we only changed cloth face masks a few times a week. If it keeps shit off chips, it'll keep covid off your neighbor just as effectively.

I was told that once a mask wets out, it is considered ineffective other than to limit the major sneeze dispersal - the 2m rule is screwed even with the mask. And the risk of touching the contaminated mask and transferring material to other surfaces goes through the roof. Not quite as bad as wearing gloves far beyond a specific sterile environment but...
Open to being educated though.

[Core Shot]

HIGH FUCKING FIVE

TO THE OLD PEOPLE WITH NO MASK

Been super busy today, only scanned a few of the 100 pages posted.

You KARENS need to chill the fuck out.

And to whoever wished old people in public without masks die? May karma kick your schadenfreude in the nuts.

I respect the 70 year old that says fuck it. Going out with my boots on and my mask off.

[grinch]

Still not getting it eh? Brilliant flex bro

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[jono]

The point being that if we're in an ultra-low risk category than let us get back to business,

Get to the hospitals or the trucking companies or UPS and get yourself a job. Totally your right. Today. Become essential. (In a mask.)

[bennymac]

HIGH FUCKING FIVE

TO THE OLD PEOPLE WITH NO MASK

Been super busy today, only scanned a few of the 100 pages posted.

You KARENS need to chill the fuck out.

And to whoever wished old people in public without masks die? May karma kick your schadenfreude in the nuts.

I respect the 70 year old that says fuck it. Going out with my boots on and my mask off.

And I’m taking my friends / wife / nurse and teacher children / fellow residents of assisted living facility with me. FREeedum!

Gives new meaning to the “Fuck you all - I got mine (mine= my own covid infection)”

Again this thread is Groundhog Day - same Internet tough guys flexing daily.

[Adolf Allerbush]

I respect the 70 year old that says fuck it. Going out with my boots on and my mask off.

Is wearing a mask so you don't spread disease to others really that big of a lift? I wear one...not a big deal. I get some weird looks...is that what these folks are avoiding by not wearing masks, all while potentially spreading anything they're carrying to those they come in contact with? It's a pride thing? Can't cover up your mug? Makes zero sense to applaud that sort of behavior.

[schuss]

HIGH FUCKING FIVE

TO THE OLD PEOPLE WITH NO MASK

Been super busy today, only scanned a few of the 100 pages posted.

You KARENS need to chill the fuck out.

And to whoever wished old people in public without masks die? May karma kick your schadenfreude in the nuts.

I respect the 70 year old that says fuck it. Going out with my boots on and my mask off.

And how does their spouses and family feel about it? From a long ago ski movie with the Crist Bros - "you're not just trashing your own life, but your whole families"
Don't be a selfish dick.

[Core Shot]

Every dick is selfish
And not everyone is willing to keep their selfish dick in their pants

[Deebased]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...tates-n1185131

Two U.S. companies — Premier Biotech of Minneapolis and Aytu Bioscience of Colorado — have been distributing the tests from unapproved Chinese manufacturers, according to health officials, FDA filings and a spokesman for one of the Chinese manufacturers. Many of the unapproved tests appear to have been shipped to the U.S. after the FDA relaxed its guidelines for tests in mid-March and before the Chinese government banned their export just over two weeks later.

The Santa Clara study used the Chinese tests imported by Premier Biotech.

They covered this in the paper.


The test kit used in this study (Premier Biotech, Minneapolis, MN) was tested in a Stanford laboratory prior to field deployment. Among 37 samples of known PCR-positive COVID-19 patients with positive IgG or IgM detected on a locally-developed ELISA test, 25 were kit-positive. A sample of 30 pre-COVID samples from hip surgery patients were also tested, and all 30 were negative. The manufacturer’s test characteristics relied on samples from clinically confirmed COVID-19 patients as positive gold standard and pre-COVID sera for negative gold standard. Among 75 samples of clinically confirmed COVID-19 patients with positive IgG, 75 were kit-positive, and among 85 samples with positive IgM, 78 were kit- positive. Among 371 pre-COVID samples, 369 were negative. Our estimates of sensitivity based on the manufacturer’s and locally tested data were 91.8% (using the lower estimate based on IgM, 95 CI 83.8- 96.6%) and 67.6% (95 CI 50.2-82.0%), respectively. Similarly, our estimates of specificity are 99.5% (95 CI 98.1-99.9%) and 100% (95 CI 90.5-100%). A combination of both data sources provides us with a combined sensitivity of 80.3% (95 CI 72.1-87.0%) and a specificity of 99.5% (95 CI 98.3-99.9%).

its going to be tough getting more test kits (antibody or otherwise) for the near future as the Feds are commandeering/redistributing every n95, surgical gown and test kit that hits the import list at DHS

[Rideski]

[wooley12]

And how does their spouses and family feel about it? From a long ago ski movie with the Crist Bros - "you're not just trashing your own life, but your whole families"
Don't be a selfish dick.

To give him some credit, he is consistent in his selfish dickness in his posts. I'd cough on him if it would make him happy.

[bennymac]

Every dick is selfish
And not everyone is willing to keep their selfish dick in their pants

That’s deep bro.