Fear and Loathing, a Rat Flu Odyssey

[Name Redacted]

Re "opening up the country"
It seems to me that we need the following things before that can happen
1) unlimited, rapid (24 hours max) testing ability, as everyone mentions, but also
2) vacant hospital, ICU, and ventilators in every state and city, unless you plan to ban interstate travel, so there's someplace to put the increased numbers
of cases. Opening only some parts of the country makes sense only if you ban travel in the country
3) unlimited PPE for health care workers, including N95's
4) mandatory masks for the public in all public places and private gatherings, with enough masks for everyone. Ideally people would be fit testing for N95 by their health care providers
5) a better understanding about the risk of reinfection and the duration of immunity, if any
6) and of course, a significant drop off in the infection rate
Right now we don't have any of those things and no possibility of getting any of them in the near to mid term future. So why is the subject even being discussed?

Pssssshhhtt, you don't need any of that stuff. This thing is like the flu. Total democrat HOAX. We need to get the economy going so we can all get back to our minimum wage jobs so that we can pay our landlords and insurance companies!

Remember to vote for Trump in the next election. He's the only one smart enough to save us!

Repeat after me: "I pledge allegiance to the economy, and almighty dollar...."

[summit]

Rat Flu possibly attacking T cells:
https://www.inkstonenews.com/science...rticle/3079592

"How it interacted with the T cells in these patients remained unclear." Silly news article shit that doesn't have links to the actual article:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41423-020-0424-9.pdf

"Therefore, it is plausible that the S protein of SARS-CoV-2 might mediate potent infectivity, even on cells expressing low hACE2, which would, in turn, explain why the transmission rate of SARS-CoV-2 is so high. It is also possible that other receptors mediate the entry of SARSCoV-2 into T cells, such as CD147, present on the surface of T lymohocytes, which was recently reported to be a novel invasive
route for SARS-CoV-2. ... These results suggest that SARS-CoV-2 can also enter T lymphocytes through the receptor-mediated endocytosis pathway. "

So that's frustrating because some very loud and authoritative voices have said only ACE2 in combination with TMPRSS2 allows SARS-COV-2 to bind to and infect a cell, and these are primarily in the respiratory track.

https://www.embopress.org/doi/epdf/1.../embj.20105114

So many therefors follow... but are they off?

We know about cardiac involvement...

(I don't buy the RBC/heme destruction theory, but the lack of ACE2 binding sites is given as a reason for implausibility...)

How extensively have you traveled in China? I've been to wet markets in mainland China. They are everything that videos show them to be.

Indeed. I went to many in Chengdu.

I think the broadness of animals involved and close quarters animal raising are a huge problem because of the opportunity for zoonotic diseases from many animal species to find hosts. It's not just the unsanitary nature of the markets that is the problem. It is the whole industry. The way chicken and pork are farmed in China is a problem as well when you look at influenza.

[CarlMega]

This thread is going well.

[SuperGaper]

Man, I was never a big poster, and sort of stopped for 8-9 years. But this COVID 19 thing has me back in the fray and man there
are some really great and super astute folks, some fucking train wrecks, and the usually trolls- this place has really kept me going for the last 3 weeks. I read stuff to my wife- Old Goat's criteria for reopening and Name Redacted's reply and she was like "that is so smart and funny where did you get that?"

I said duh- TGR.

Almost as good as Alpinezone.

[iceman]

Black voters are gonna turn out for Biden. Count on it. Black voters not turning out gave Trump the election and they know it. That will be different this time and Trump will lose. Of course the Republicans will try to suppress the back vote but it's not gonna work. Yeah poliass sorry.

[Rideski]

500,000 views / 75 days = 6,666 views per day.
Hopefully we urged a few people to isolate, wash their hands, quit hacking and spitting in public, or make a home made mask.
Wonder who some of these 2,000 unknowns are?

[gravitylover]

Man, I was never a big poster, and sort of stopped for 8-9 years. But this COVID 19 thing has me back in the fray and man there
are some really great and super astute folks, some fucking train wrecks, and the usually trolls- this place has really kept me going for the last 3 weeks. I read stuff to my wife- Old Goat's criteria for reopening and Name Redacted's reply and she was like "that is so smart and funny where did you get that?"

I said duh- TGR.

Almost as good as Alpinezone.

Haha welcome back

[funkendrenchman]

Because, November.

With any luck, he’ll get Covid and we’ll never hear from that blowhard again.

[splat]

Man, I was never a big poster, and sort of stopped for 8-9 years. But this COVID 19 thing has me back in the fray and man there
are some really great and super astute folks, some fucking train wrecks, and the usually trolls- this place has really kept me going for the last 3 weeks. I read stuff to my wife- Old Goat's criteria for reopening and Name Redacted's reply and she was like "that is so smart and funny where did you get that?"

I said duh- TGR.

Almost as good as Alpinezone.

Good to see you around, SG.

[char_]

Re "opening up the country"
It seems to me that we need the following things before that can happen
1) unlimited, rapid (24 hours max) testing ability, as everyone mentions, but also
2) vacant hospital, ICU, and ventilators in every state and city, unless you plan to ban interstate travel, so there's someplace to put the increased numbers
of cases. Opening only some parts of the country makes sense only if you ban travel in the country
3) unlimited PPE for health care workers, including N95's
4) mandatory masks for the public in all public places and private gatherings, with enough masks for everyone. Ideally people would be fit testing for N95 by their health care providers
5) a better understanding about the risk of reinfection and the duration of immunity, if any
6) and of course, a significant drop off in the infection rate
Right now we don't have any of those things and no possibility of getting any of them in the near to mid term future. So why is the subject even being discussed?

Nope, you just need some "America's Grand Reopening" marketing and a rally.

Can almost guarantee something like this is in the works. That's why he went nuts tonight after the governors got together to form their own plans.

[Lone Star]

"Therefore, it is plausible that the S protein of SARS-CoV-2 might mediate potent infectivity, even on cells expressing low hACE2, which would, in turn, explain why the transmission rate of SARS-CoV-2 is so high. It is also possible that other receptors mediate the entry of SARSCoV-2 into T cells, such as CD147, present on the surface of T lymohocytes, which was recently reported to be a novel invasive
route for SARS-CoV-2. ... These results suggest that SARS-CoV-2 can also enter T lymphocytes through the receptor-mediated endocytosis pathway. "

So that's frustrating because some very loud and authoritative voices have said only ACE2 in combination with TMPRSS2 allows SARS-COV-2 to bind to and infect a cell, and these are primarily in the respiratory track.

https://www.embopress.org/doi/epdf/1.../embj.20105114

So many therefors follow... but are they off?

We know about cardiac involvement...

(I don't buy the RBC/heme destruction theory, but the lack of ACE2 binding sites is given as a reason for implausibility...)

I think this is pretty much what the president meant to say today at his conference

[huckbucket]

I just wanted somebody to say, that's nice, sir, but, could we hear from the task force about the present situation, today? Simple.

Q1
"Experts have attributed South Korea's success over CV19 to the quick ramp up in testing, contact tracing and social isolation. The result is that their economy has already partially opened and their death rate was minimal. We had our first death on the exact same day as South Korea, so how can you explain why the US has had such a different experience?

Q2
You've said on many occasions that you inherited a country that was ill-prepared for response to a pandemic. Over the three years of your presidency, how did you remedy this and why did we still end up with such a large number of cases and deaths?

[idahospud]

Man, I was never a big poster, and sort of stopped for 8-9 years. But this COVID 19 thing has me back in the fray and man there
are some really great and super astute folks, some fucking train wrecks, and the usually trolls- this place has really kept me going for the last 3 weeks. I read stuff to my wife- Old Goat's criteria for reopening and Name Redacted's reply and she was like "that is so smart and funny where did you get that?"

I said duh- TGR.

Almost as good as Alpinezone.

I refer to TGR to my wife as "the source of all human knowledge." Caveat is that you've gotta wade through a lot to find it.

[huckbucket]

This should scare everyone a bit ...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316

215 pregnant women, all screened on admission (nasopharyngeal swabs and rtPCR)

33 tested positive (15%)
Of these, nearly all (29/33) were asymptomatic!

[Benny Profane]

Q1
"Experts have attributed South Korea's success over CV19 to the quick ramp up in testing, contact tracing and social isolation. The result is that their economy has already partially opened and their death rate was minimal. We had our first death on the exact same day as South Korea, so how can you explain why the US has had such a different experience?

Q2
You've said on many occasions that you inherited a country that was ill-prepared for response to a pandemic. Over the three years of your presidency, how did you remedy this and why did we still end up with such a large number of cases and deaths?

No, no, just bypass him. Ask the actual task force. Don't feed the motherfucker.

[Kinnikinnick]

This should scare everyone a bit ...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316

215 pregnant women, all screened on admission (nasopharyngeal swabs and rtPCR)

33 tested positive (15%)
Of these, nearly all (29/33) were asymptomatic!

!!!! Wow, thats 87% asymptomatic!!




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[Core Shot]

This should scare everyone a bit ...

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2009316

215 pregnant women, all screened on admission (nasopharyngeal swabs and rtPCR)

33 tested positive (15%)
Of these, nearly all (29/33) were asymptomatic!

Even this virus knows not to piss of a pregnant woman
Duh

[summit]

!!!! Wow, thats 87% asymptomatic!!




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Not that surprising as the mean pregnant woman is a health 26.4 year old. Younger and healthier SARS-CoV-2 infections are less likely to be acutely ill. I wonder if pregnancy is actually protective?

[Lvovsky]

What's a good name for the new country that comprises CA, OR and WA? Some damn good skiing and water sports in whatever name they come up with.

CAORWA?...

[Lvovsky]

It's the Taco Bell administration. You take the same ingredients to make something kinda different but it still gives you the shits.

sig worthy

[iceman]

"The Nine Nations of North America" by Joel Garreau was a pretty good book, he broke the continent down into regions that had similar cultural and other traits, here's his map with nation names:



Hoe does "Ecotopia" grab you?

[Trashcan]

Hi all, fisrst off thanks for the positive vibes and I appologize for posting my story in this thread. I was just reading seanos732 recent situation and posted what just happened to me because I was still in freak out mode.
Update- dad is getting a pacemaker installed tommorow so he should be fine.
Please carry on as the information here is top notch with the usual PR bullshit I expext in this strange little place on the internet.
Huge thanks to all the folks on the front line!

[iceman]

Good to hear your Pops is gonna be okay, how long does he have to be in the hospital? You don't have to apologize btw, this thread is a little bit all over the map anyways.

[MakersTeleMark]

Good to hear your Pops is gonna be okay, how long does he have to be in the hospital? You don't have to apologize btw, this thread is a little bit all over the map anyways.

No pun intended?

[Trashcan]

Thanks.., looks like Wendsay afternoon.