ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Gate11]

That is an answer, but not the only answer. I was asking if anyone has a more numbers-oriented answer.

They intentionally do not publish numbers.

The correct answer is, they have the right amount of rocker.

[mtskibum16]

Blister usually posts rocker numbers with their reviews. So if they have reviewed the ski your after they might have what you need.

[tpacent]

I own both the woodsman and billy goat. Woodsman is a solid one ski quiver board for targhee IMO. That being said. BG is one of my favorite skis of all time. Not great when there isn’t a lot
of new snow but it’s unreal with anything more than 3 inches of softer pow/variable/chop. Woodsman is much more versatile and can lay trenches l, great in pow as well (it’s got substantial rocker and is plenty wide) - it’s just not the pow speciality tool of the BG. Trying to sell/trade my 116 woodsman for a 108 as rather than going with a 116 as a one ski quiver, the two ski quiver of the woodsman 108 and BG covers about everything me thinks.

[f=ma]

the two ski quiver of the woodsman 108 and BG covers about everything me thinks.

What I'm rocking at Whistler this weekend.

[mtskibum16]

I really think 108 Woodsman and BG will be my main quiver eventually.

[123ski]

My new quiver, will post pics as soon as they are all mounted:

184 Mindbender 99ti, p18
187 Woodsman 108, p18
189 BillyGoat, p18
190 Rocker2 108, Guardian


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[_Ryan_]

Just wanted to give a shout out to ON3P for awesome customer service. I've heard about it on here before, and just experienced it and it's the real deal. Thanks guys.

[Tailwind]

Little Wren 114 stoke.

I have had mine out in two 20+ inch powder days in CO and Utah in the last few weeks. I continue to be blown away by the stability but they also float really well. Much better than the Wildcat 118’s I had before. It’s a powder ski you can take out all day. I’ve also finally started trying some spins with them, at first the weight seemed like it would be an issue, but they release really smoothly on take offs and that I’ve been sticking almost everything.

Favorite resort ski of all time.

Dream resort Quiver:
Wren 96ti
Jeffery 108
Wren 114
Cease and Desist

The only ‘issue’ is that I really don’t need anything else. There are very few days I would not be happy on the wrens. I think a Wren 108ti and Billy Goat combo would be incredible.

One problem... If I ski these in tight trees for a few years chances are high I’ll bump something. They turn and pivot great, they just really encourage you to ski fast. My tree skis are Line Pescado’s so that could be some of what’s going on.

Honestly, the Wren made me a better skier... or at least covered up some flaws. I ski faster and crash way less. The platform is so solid that I don’t wheelie out of go over the bars nearly as often. They cut through everything, float and can somehow still slash nicely. They want an aggressive and very strong skier as a pilot... but damn hell of a ski.

6’2” (maybe 6’3”)
160lbs
189cm

[powder_to_the_people]

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone here had experimented with mount points on the later iterations of the BG (i.e. with RES). I've got a pair of this year's BGs in 189 mounted on the line which I really want to like, but so far (~5 days), they haven't really done it for me.

I'm wondering if mounting at +1 would improve my experience; I know that there's a fairly small sweetspot for mounting with the RES design. I ski pretty centered (my DD is a 4FRNT Hoji) and likely don't drive the BGs quite as much as they need to be. With my stance, I find that they don't respond quite as quickly as I'd like them to. Any thoughts?

[mtskibum16]

Always on the line with RES. Seriously. BGs really don’t need to be driven and are better suited to a more centered stance. I’d give it more time or maybe they just aren’t for you. If you get to where you’re really thinking of moving them just sell them and find a different ski.

[grinch]

Maybe iggy will chime in.....again. i couldnt find it but he had a post where he said the current skis could reasonably be mounted. I thought he gave less possible movement on the bg than woodsmans and jeffreys but still could be moved slightly. Im at +.5 on my bg's and res is still in effect. Was thinking i could probably go +1 even. Driving the tips no problem where theyre at now and im no jibber

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[snowaddict91]

Little Wren 114 stoke.

I have had mine out in two 20+ inch powder days in CO and Utah in the last few weeks. I continue to be blown away by the stability but they also float really well. Much better than the Wildcat 118’s I had before. It’s a powder ski you can take out all day. I’ve also finally started trying some spins with them, at first the weight seemed like it would be an issue, but they release really smoothly on take offs and that I’ve been sticking almost everything.

Favorite resort ski of all time.

Dream resort Quiver:
Wren 96ti
Jeffery 108
Wren 114
Cease and Desist

The only ‘issue’ is that I really don’t need anything else. There are very few days I would not be happy on the wrens. I think a Wren 108ti and Billy Goat combo would be incredible.

One problem... If I ski these in tight trees for a few years chances are high I’ll bump something. They turn and pivot great, they just really encourage you to ski fast. My tree skis are Line Pescado’s so that could be some of what’s going on.

Honestly, the Wren made me a better skier... or at least covered up some flaws. I ski faster and crash way less. The platform is so solid that I don’t wheelie out of go over the bars nearly as often. They cut through everything, float and can somehow still slash nicely. They want an aggressive and very strong skier as a pilot... but damn hell of a ski.

6’2” (maybe 6’3”)
160lbs
189cm

This makes me really want a pair of 114s. I have a pair of 108s in the garage though so may be a bit of overlap lol.

[SkiLyft]

Agreed — on the line for RES. Stop driving the tips, tip em over and fucking stand there.

For those of you who didn’t like the woodsman (I’m in that camp) just posted up a review on the Dynastar M-Free in the dynastar thread... it’s what I hoped the woodsman 108 would ski like (but didn’t).


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[grinch]

Ahh , if your more center mounted you are driving the tips less

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[mtskibum16]

Agreed — on the line for RES. Stop driving the tips, tip em over and fucking stand there.

For those of you who didn’t like the woodsman (I’m in that camp) just posted up a review on the Dynastar M-Free in the dynastar thread... it’s what I hoped the woodsman 108 would ski like (but didn’t).


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Any more details on what you didn’t like about the Woodsman?

[SkiLyft]

Sure thing — really don’t want to go too much in depth but...
1. Tail felt too locked in while in deep NW type snow, on piste they tracked just fine but again seemed like a lot of work to ski and there wasn’t “life” to the ski.
2. Dead was another word that came to mind when skiing it, I didn’t have JOY while on the ski. Sure it skied just fine but didn’t make me feel like I wanted to push it. Dare I say planky — I really wanted to love it TRUST me. Because the Billy Goat is such a marvelous platform that will never be removed from my quiver! But I just didn’t get along with it — seems quite a few have showed up for resale so maybe some people will chime in.

Again these are really nuanced findings that others may not have experienced but these are my own feelings and you asked for them!


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[grinch]

As a general rule:

Magnus = 0 (90) or -2 (102)

Jeffrey/Jessie = -3 to -4.5

Woodsman = -5 to -6.5

BillyGoat/CD = -8.5 to -9.5

Wren = -8.5 to -10.5

We don't list specifics because 1) excluding the Magnus Series, the mount point scales and we get really in the weeds with a 5 ski line and 5 different mount points and 2) there is still an internal debate to be had if it will do more harm than good. People think the mount on the sidewall is true center - often - even when it is obvious. Also, why would we take the time to mark the center of the ski - and then require you to measure - vs just doing it right the first time? And yes, the story of the shop mounting the BGs -9cm from the -9cm recommended is true.

I agree we need to do a better job explaining it, though. Next year there will be some new...information on the production pages that will explain mounts in terms of balance - not necessarily specifics per ski, but should help this out.

If anyone ever wants the specific mount point, you can always message us and we'll give you the measurements (that will likely be posted in FAQ next year too. Just haven't got to it).

Here it is. Now what is the actual boot center line on bg's ? Im -.5 on my steeple and +.5 on my bg. Edit: for last sentence in the post. -9 is recommended so at -8.5 im still in the sweet spot. Im at -1 on my gpo and thats about 1 cm forward of my bg's. Hesitant to f with them. I couldnt do without either ski

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[mtskibum16]

I believe he’s listing the range the recommended mount point is marked on each ski...it’s different for each size. A 179 BG doesn’t have the same mount point as a 189 for instance. So he posted the approximate range of each line.

[grinch]

I believe he’s listing the range the recommended mount point is marked on each ski...it’s different for each size. A 179 BG doesn’t have the same mount point as a 189 for instance. So he posted the approximate range of each line.

That could be true. A big difference in the wrens then. That seems a bit much

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[iggyskier]

Call out time. Who’s the guy with the Woodsman 108s who could not figure out how to click into his Attack demo bindings today at the top of the gondola at Jackson? He somehow didn’t know how to cock the heel piece and was just trying to jam his boot in. This went on for about 5 minutes until I took pity on him and walked down from the lodge to do it for him.

Bad look for all of us ON3P skiers.

Perks of getting bigger. And let's not kid ourselves here. It *could* be someone from here .

Does a 2 ski quiver of Kartel 108/116 make any sense at all? Because I just traded my PB&Js for a Kartel 108 and that what I'm running with now. I feel like I'm going to end up having too much overlap and wanting to change out the 116. Someone talk me out of it.

For what it is worth, that is the quiver of most of the factory guys and team guys (outside of park skis) run.

Besides, ON3P's freestyle line is up for an update come 2021 - so I would just wait and see, and then decide.

For what it is worth, most updates for 2021 are structural and won't be sexy but are an update we've been working on for awhile (and has taken a lot of work to complete internally). Shapes overall very dialed.

Speaking of custom and Praxis...does on3p do a custom spring sale like praxis does?

For sure June/July. Maybe a bit earlier depending when we finish early dealer production runs.

Good catch.

Yeah, Iggy was talking about them testing lighter cores again during the Blister podcast / 2020 launch last year, so perhaps 2021 will be the year eh One would think that a custom core consisting of both bamboo and some light weight wood like pawlonia could be sufficiently not sucky to be worthy of a ON3P ski. Guess we will know soon enough Exciting times

Take a tape measure. Hook it on the tail of the ski. Pull it straight to the tip. Not following the curve of the base. Straight line from tip to tail (so yes in the air above the topsheet). Just like if you were measuring how tall a person is, you don't follow all the curves of their body.

Yeah Iggy has mentioned testing a lighter "tour" core but I'm not anticipating seeing it in production in 20/21.

We're on track on a product timeline to have this available come fall - but a lot of questions right now with any supply lines that run through China (bamboo). So....we're in a bit wait and see mode right now on it and exploring US-based options.

I'm curious as well regarding 116 Woodsman vs. Billy Goat.

Anyone skied both?

Which one would be better for a place like Grand Targhee?

As best I can summarize it - BG is a real soft day ski, WD116 is a wider all mountain ski. WD 116 carves better, is more versatile in terms that its base level performance will be higher in all conditions, and will give you a traditional turn shape for those who like it. BG is a better powder ski. I view BG as more of a quiver ski and WD 116 as a ski for those who are skiing bigger mountains everyday (Snowbird, Jackson) and like a wider platform or for those who need more stability than a Jeffrey, but cannot make a ski mounted as far back as the BG work.

Hi all, I was wondering if anyone here had experimented with mount points on the later iterations of the BG (i.e. with RES). I've got a pair of this year's BGs in 189 mounted on the line which I really want to like, but so far (~5 days), they haven't really done it for me.

I'm wondering if mounting at +1 would improve my experience; I know that there's a fairly small sweetspot for mounting with the RES design. I ski pretty centered (my DD is a 4FRNT Hoji) and likely don't drive the BGs quite as much as they need to be. With my stance, I find that they don't respond quite as quickly as I'd like them to. Any thoughts?

For what it is worth, I doubt moving the mount forward +1cm is going to alter the balance in a way that will help you. Design is predicated on a bit of forward pressing to engage the forebody of the skis. If you are used to skiing skis pretty vertically, it is hard to create the needed flex to engage the sidecut standing vertical. You don't have to be super aggressive on them to do so, but it does require a bit more forward lean that you are going to be used to on a ski like a Hoji.

We do have one team guy who skis his +2cm (Rex Shepard), but that is most certainly the exceptions in terms of where people like to ski them.

Sure thing — really don’t want to go too much in depth but...
1. Tail felt too locked in while in deep NW type snow, on piste they tracked just fine but again seemed like a lot of work to ski and there wasn’t “life” to the ski.
2. Dead was another word that came to mind when skiing it, I didn’t have JOY while on the ski. Sure it skied just fine but didn’t make me feel like I wanted to push it. Dare I say planky — I really wanted to love it TRUST me. Because the Billy Goat is such a marvelous platform that will never be removed from my quiver! But I just didn’t get along with it — seems quite a few have showed up for resale so maybe some people will chime in.

Again these are really nuanced findings that others may not have experienced but these are my own feelings and you asked for them!

Out of curiosity, is this feedback based upon the BBI demo at Alpy?

I believe he’s listing the range the recommended mount point is marked on each ski...it’s different for each size. A 179 BG doesn’t have the same mount point as a 189 for instance. So he posted the approximate range of each line.

That could be true. A big difference in the wrens then. That seems a bit much

What?

[grinch]

@iggy - i was thinking your post gave a safe range that some people may move their mount and mtskibum thought it was the mount point variance in the different sizes of each model. That would mean evefy length of the wren has a different mount point. Looks like might be the case/not sure

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[123ski]

Out of curiosity, is this feedback based upon the BBI demo at Alpy?

Following. Was something wrong with that ski?



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[tuco]

God damn I love these Caylors! You should do a limited time repress of these gems.
FWIW, the Woodsie 116 protos in this pic my brother described as the easiest/most intuitive ski he's ever skied.

[kid-kapow]

For what it is worth, most updates for 2021 are structural and won't be sexy but are an update we've been working on for awhile (and has taken a lot of work to complete internally). Shapes overall very dialed.
....
We're on track on a product timeline to have this available come fall - but a lot of questions right now with any supply lines that run through China (bamboo). So....we're in a bit wait and see mode right now on it and exploring US-based options.

Sweet - thanks for the update!

C&D day for me today. Bluebird-ish, lots of snow after a big storm and stoke through the roof in spite of being a bit under the weather.

On a side note, I've spent a few days on Wildcat108s over the past week. I must admit to preferring Woodsman108s over Wildcat108s. Wildcats are fun on groomers, but get knocked around quite a bit more in variable. While I haven't tried them back to back, my take so far is that you do not gain enough playfulness to make up for the loss in stability when going from a wood to wild. Using wildcat108s also makes me even more curious on how a jeffrey108 that is custom stiffer and mounted 2cm back would ride, especially as I am finally starting to make sense of my custom stiffer k116s .

The main takeaway so far is that I am considering remounting my wood108/116s with Shifts over Castified Pivots (Shifts work better with the XTDs I mainly use) - or perhaps I should get a second pair of wood108s this summer. Dunno. Prob can't afford the latter.

[SkiLyft]

Out of curiosity, is this feedback based upon the BBI demo at Alpy?

Nah, if I recall that was a pre-production W116, since then I’ve stepped in the 108 and 116 on two different occasions.

As a side note Mrs Skilyft loves her Jessie 108’s the quote yesterday was “you’re never selling these”

I’m impressed with how quick edge to edge they are at that size — her skiing has improved significantly since she got on them!




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