Tecnica ZeroG Tour Pro - 2018- 9 boot

[rangerjake]

Word- that makes some sense and is akin to angle changes in other boots. This action then require peeling off the black wear prevention tape? Seems like a yes.

Back to the originating question: do we know the “out of the box” lean angle? I have heard 12, I have heard 13. Does the “long end of the triangle shape” have anything to do with indicating what the angle is? Seems like that answer would be a no if only an internal flip of the female piece yields the angle change.

Is this progress? Are we figuring this out? [emoji854]

[hafjell]

The higher configuration will be 13 degrees. If you have any questions, I'd just email Tecnica US. They have been responsive within 24 hours.

[1000-oaks]

My pair doesn't have wear tape over the inserts, but they were demos and didn't come from a retail channel so it could have been removed.

Look at the location of the offset female threaded holes in the insert, and it will make sense.u

[rangerjake]

Ok. Here we are. Clearly the external piece can’t be flipped. Here is the female internal piece, tape removed and popped out of the inner shell:




There is a little notch- that’s all I see. Certainly no offset that looks very obvious.

Here’s the holes where it sits:



Nothing on there that I can decipher as telling me anything about 12, 13, more forward, less forward.

Any ideas or thoughts from this point in the process?

Also, still hoping to establish here whether out of the box things are set at 12 or 13. I’ll go to Tecnica if people don’t know, lots of conjecture advocating for both sides.

[hafjell]

Looks like you're in 13, which is how mine arrived. Just to be clear, if you take your hand away, and the piece falls back into place, is the flat-ledge-side up or the sloping side? Is the horizontal pin in its higher location?
If yes, yes, than I think you're in 13 degrees already. Could always email Tecnica to be sure.

[1000-oaks]

Yours isn't as obvious as mine, I'd have to look to see if the notch goes up or down for 13. If you install it, at 12 the bottom of the exterior bracket is against the step in the shell. At 13, there's a gap about as wide as your fingernail.

[rangerjake]

Hahah, ok, here it is from Josh in Tecnica warranty/service dept:

There is NO FORWARD LEAN ADJUSTMENT via screws/female piece/ski walk lever or anything like that.

Stock out-of-the-box is “12.5 degrees”. Adding the spoiler to the liner gets you to 13.5 degrees.

Let it be known tech talk experts, looks are not deceiving.

[aslogar]

haha, all for 1 degree of forward lean...like I said, its a joke right?

[NorCalNomad]

Whoops, yeah I was wrong on that. Didn't realize that spine piece was attached to the walk mode bar.

[1000-oaks]

Josh needs to do some research, mine adjusts.

[rangerjake]

Josh needs to do some research, mine adjusts.

Sounds like you have some sorta pre-production boot then. Cause what Josh said fully aligns with my assessment of what I was seeing before, during, and after the process of disassembling the locking point in question.

[couchsending]

I’ll call Josh tomorrow..

The pre production models have a slightly offset female piece. It’s not much, but it doesn’t take much to equate to 1 more degree of forward lean.

I thought maybe it was some running change but I just unscrewed my personal pair of production model and the female piece is definitely slightly offset. So they are adjustable.

Sometimes the warranty guys don’t get all the info. I’ll call Josh tomorrow to see maybe he’s been told something else.

We were told last winter that they’re 12 out of the box and 13 if you flip the female piece inside the boot.

[rangerjake]

I’ll call Josh tomorrow..

The pre production models have a slightly offset female piece. It’s not much, but it doesn’t take much to equate to 1 more degree of forward lean.

I thought maybe it was some running change but I just unscrewed my personal pair of production model and the female piece is definitely slightly offset. So they are adjustable.

Sometimes the warranty guys don’t get all the info. I’ll call Josh tomorrow to see maybe he’s been told something else.

We were told last winter that they’re 12 out of the box and 13 if you flip the female piece inside the boot.

I mean, you can see photos of all the components in my boots- received direct from the Tecnica warehouse yesterday (1 day transit time). Are these components visibly different than yours? Just sayin, there is zero adjustability by flipping the female piece in my boots- it just isn’t allowed by physics. The only way for the flipping of a female piece to impact lean would be if there was a channel where it sat rather than two bored holes. Those holes are static- doesn’t matter what the long or short end of the female piece is, period.

Now if the external bar was flippable that would yield a definitive angle change. That silver bar is def offset. But there is no way to flip that piece. So as far as I can tell- and I am not a novice to these things- the boots that Tecnica are currently distributing have no lean adjustability beyond a spoiler, just as Josh indicated.

[1000-oaks]

On mine, the threaded holes in the aluminum insert aren't drilled in the center of the two posts that slide into the shell holes, the holes are offset. Yours look like they're drilled in the centers, or close to it.

If Tecnica made the insert out of stainless steel, they could probably offset the threaded holes even more than mine (maybe get to 13.5 or 14 degrees), and it would be an easy upgrade to mail to people who requested them. Or just toss a pair in the box with new boots.

[rangerjake]

On mine, the threaded holes in the aluminum insert aren't drilled in the center of the two posts that slide into the shell holes, the holes are offset. Yours look like they're drilled in the centers, or close to it.

If Tecnica made the insert out of stainless steel, they could probably offset the threaded holes even more than mine (maybe get to 13.5 or 14 degrees), and it would be an easy upgrade to mail to people who requested them.

Can I ask, if the threaded holes are offset dramatically to one side or the other of the female piece, and knowing that the female piece sits freely and interacts with no other part of the boot, and the female piece gets plugged into static holes in a shell which the critical component, the silver bar that the ski/walk lever locks onto, how does whatever that offset is impact the lean? Seems to me that everything is dictated by the static holes in plastic which are unchanging.

[rangerjake]

A little more for this discussion. My bet is there was a plan in pre-production and the run up to release to tout this as adjustable, but for whatever reason- perhaps because there was no possible way to impact lean by any orientation of the female piece- they decided to abandon touting this feature, didn’t imprint the arrow in the female piece, and changed the company line on what the lean angles are and how one adjusts things to achieve said leans.

Again, that’s my guess.

[LeeLau]

Dammit - sorry Jake. I thought pre-production and production was the same. My bad and didn't mean to mislead

[rangerjake]

Dammit - sorry Jake. I thought pre-production and production was the same. My bad and didn't mean to mislead

Pfft. No worries- clearly even Tecnica is confused on what their boots do or don't do.

[NorCalNomad]

Ok since I'm one of the dumbasses who helped to cause the confusion, just opened mine up and took a picture.

Yes it's 12 from the factory. Yes there is a slight eccentricity to the female bosses to get that extra degree if flipped.

Photo is how it was installed stock.



...now I want to dremel the clog a little and CNC some new bosses to get it closer to 15....

[1000-oaks]

Looked at your photo again Jake, and it does look like the nipples on your insert pins are offset. Look at the green boot photos and then yours again.

[rangerjake]

Ok since I'm one of the dumbasses who helped to cause the confusion, just opened mine up and took a picture.

Yes it's 12 from the factory. Yes there is a slight eccentricity to the female bosses to get that extra degree if flipped.

Photo is how it was installed stock.



...now I want to dremel the clog a little and CNC some new bosses to get it closer to 15....

Ah this is helpful NorCal. Much easier to see the slight offset of the threaded holes in the metal protrusions of the female piece and how that could theoretically alter where the external metal bar sits slightly. That is a mighty incremental adjustment, but I guess so is 1deg.

Quick question though- do you have the imprinted arrow on that metal piece? Wondering if this is actually different than mine or what.

[NorCalNomad]

Quick question though- do you have the imprinted arrow on that metal piece? Wondering if this is actually different than mine or what.

No arrow but there is the notch on the baseplate that is also on yours. Looks like that notch tells you which end has the hole drilled closer to the edge of the eccentric boss. Most likely did that for a cheaper mold.

[aslogar]

So notch up for 13 degrees?

[rangerjake]

Cool- I think this is settled. Funny though, between my two boots the one I took apart at work and photographed is noticeably smaller incremental change than my other boot which I just took apart to change. There is definitely a small offset there which, when position so that the notch is facing up, allows for external piece to sit between .5-1mm higher on the spine.

I think one principal point of confusion for me in this was that the offset wasn't in the holes on the female piece, but rather holes offset on the male pieces of the female piece. Leave it to 2019 for gender fluidity and non-binary characteristics to sully up tech'n out on ski boots.

Good work team!

[rangerjake]

Here’s what I am sayin- notch up on both “female” pieces.

Left boot done at home visibly higher than the right boot dissected at work.