ON3P SKIS Discussion

[rudy]

I went on the line and am stoked. I slept on it for a few nights setting the bindings on the skis -1 and -2 before I went to bed and then looking at them in the morning. The line looks too far forward but I don’t design skis so eventually gave in and went recommended. They don’t feel divey and you can truly lay some arcs if the snow is at all soft. Haven’t tried them on hard snow yet.

Thanks for the input and am leaning that way. It's not much different than the mount on my Bibbys but definitely a bit forward from their mount. Guess I should trust the folks that build them and go with recommended.

[kid-kapow]

I would start 50 pages back, type "mount" in the search bar of your browser and then just go through the pages. Kartel-mounting has been debated fairly recently.

or try the "search thread" function above Again, Kartel 108 mounting has been debated numerous times, lastly about custom stiffer ones

I mounted mine on the line. They work pretty well. If I remember correctly mounting them further back gives em slightly more punch going through stuff, yet they still feel balanced and nice.

[Conundrum]

Mine is a standard layup, 19 oz glass with veneer. Not sure if that adds stiffness. I thought they were plenty punchy. Not a dedicated charger but they didn't get bucked around. The tail looks big but never noticed it other than looks. I think if they were my pow ski too, I might have gone back a little but it's not my pow ski.

[auvgeek]

If you like the mount on the bibby, you should be fine on the line of the K108. If you wish you had mounted the Bibby further back and you plan to ski lotsa pow with the K108, you might consider going -1 or -2.

People might say mount further back if you're a larger dude, but, frankly, I think you should just size up if you're worried about the 181 being too small.

IMHO. YMMV.

[Sessiøn]

Got some new Kartel 181cm 108s and am pondering mount points. Thinking 1-1.5cm behind recommended. Thoughts/input please? (not extreme but don't want to get ripped on for not going with recommended as it seems to occur with the BG when people sway from the line)

The BG line is a literal hard point. There is no "sweet spot" it's just THE spot due to the overall design. I'm firmly in the camp that the K108 mount point is dialed, and that if I wanted it somewhere else then I'm looking for the ski to be something different than what it is.

[mtskibum16]

I think all the K108 mount point questions still point to people looking for that mythical ski somewhere between the K108 and W108. Most people would probably be happy on one or the other, but some seem to think that a mix of the two is the sweet spot.

I know it's in here somewhere, but what are the recommended lines for the following:

K108 = -4
W108 = ?
BG = ?

IIRC the BG is a bit more progressive mount than the W108 yes? I really like the mount on the 184 BG. I thought the 185 Cochise was a bit too long up front, and the 184 Bibby maybe a bit too short. I think the 186 K108 (-4ish) ends up about the exact tip length as the 184 Bibby (-6 but measures 182). Maybe the W108 would hit my sweet spot. I've yet to ski the W108 or K108 and a couple laps on each would probably answer the question for me.

Edit: I know this is the ON3P thread and it has metal, but is the Moment Commander 108 maybe a K108 and W108 hybrid? Shorter radius W108 with metal and maybe a bit more progrssive mount (-8)? With like a 25m radius the Commander would be really nice on paper for my non-pow ski.

[Gman]

some new editions to the quiver

[XavierD]

My Kartels are mounted at 2cm back from recommended and rip.

[rudy]

My Kartels are mounted at 2cm back from recommended and rip.

Just when I decided that I would just mount on the line you go and do this...

[paal]

rudy, if you are that uncertain, just get some demo bindings.
Lets say you go for a rec mount... even if you like it. No. Even if you love it that way, it sounds like you still would still be thinking: "would it have been even BETTER if..."

but then again; the skis would be better with reg. bindings, so...

[auvgeek]

Just when I decided that I would just mount on the line you go and do this...

IIRC, most (all?) of XavierD's other skis are pretty rearward mounted. The Bibby line is -6 cm, the K108 is -4.25 cm (at least, the 2018 ones were). I really do think if you're fine with the Bibby on the line, you'd be fine with the K108 on the line.

I think all the K108 mount point questions still point to people looking for that mythical ski somewhere between the K108 and W108. Most people would probably be happy on one or the other, but some seem to think that a mix of the two is the sweet spot.

I've been asking ON3P to make this ski for a while. Sounds like maybe something is in the works for 2020, but probably not quite as much of a charger as I wanted. But probably better suited for the target audience.

[kid-kapow]

K108 =
186: (2019) -4.6 cm from center; 88.7 cm from tail / (2017) -4.25 cm from center; 89 cm from tail (based on Blister's two reviews - so some variation possibly due to slight manufacturing variations as the design hasn't changed as far as I know)

W108 = depends on lenght as specified by Iggy earlier in this thread,
189: -10.25 cm from center; 84.5 cm from tail
184: -9.0 cm from center; ~83.35 cm from tail

BG = I do not know, but on the line, everytime, always. Blister members can post the measurements, I do not have access to their flash review of BGs.

I've been asking ON3P to make this ski for a while. Sounds like maybe something is in the works for 2020, but probably not quite as much of a charger as I wanted.

There is always custom stiffer my friend

Nice G-Man! So w88, s98, k98 or equivalent, w108s and j114s?

[auvgeek]

K108 [...] as the design hasn't changed as far as I know)

The design did change from elliptical to hybrid sidecut.

There is always custom stiffer my friend

Yes, my current ON3P quiver is all custom stiffer.* But Scott said a 28m radius for that ski just won't sell so we'll just have to see what they do. If it doesn't work out, I've also been eyeing a bamboo-core Deathwish with the Bibby flex and rocker. I can't fault ON3P for wanting to sell skis and keep the lights on.

*Though I have been tossing around the idea of a stock K108 or M102 for funzies. I really wanted Tahoe J's white pair, but they were way out of my budget.

[TahoeJ]

You guys are looking for a directional 108 ski that’s somewhat traditionally mounted and then more playful than the Wren 108 with more tail rocker but not a full twin. Yeah, I think something like that might be popular. Sometimes you just want to rage, other times you want to screw around a bit and hit every little feature in sight.

[rudy]

Cool, appreciate the input and I'll put this to rest. Going on the line (no demo bindings) and turning the brain off...

[auvgeek]

You guys are looking for a directional 108 ski that’s somewhat traditionally mounted and then more playful than the Wren 108 with more tail rocker but not a full twin.

Not really. I'm looking for a progressive-mounted 110 with a longer radius, minimal taper, and a full twin. Basically, a replacement for my older Jeffrey 110s (25m radius) that are custom stiff, ideally with a little less tail rocker than the J110 -- more like the K108's reduced tail rocker. You're not locked into the long radius with rocker and a progressive mount and the long radius isn't hooky when you throw them sideways going fast in variable snow. I'm not the best skier ever, but I haven't found their speed limit yet.

It's really a fantastic ski for jibbing and charging. Like a narrower Bibby on steroids with that sexy bamboo feel.

[kid-kapow]

thanks for that Auvgeek - forgot about the sidecut update for this year

[jackattack]

You guys are looking for a directional 108 ski that’s somewhat traditionally mounted and then more playful than the Wren 108 with more tail rocker but not a full twin. Yeah, I think something like that might be popular. Sometimes you just want to rage, other times you want to screw around a bit and hit every little feature in sight.

Or just mount a pair of Kartels at -2?

[MHSP1497]

thanks for that Auvgeek - forgot about the sidecut update for this year

I was wrong, edited.

[TahoeJ]

Or just mount a pair of Kartels at -2?

They’d still have a full twin and sharper radius.

[Gman]

K108 =
186: (2019) -4.6 cm from center; 88.7 cm from tail / (2017) -4.25 cm from center; 89 cm from tail (based on Blister's two reviews - so some variation possibly due to slight manufacturing variations as the design hasn't changed as far as I know)

W108 = depends on lenght as specified by Iggy earlier in this thread,
189: -10.25 cm from center; 84.5 cm from tail
184: -9.0 cm from center; ~83.35 cm from tail

BG = I do not know, but on the line, everytime, always. Blister members can post the measurements, I do not have access to their flash review of BGs.



There is always custom stiffer my friend

Nice G-Man! So w88, s98, k98 or equivalent, w108s and j114s?

Pretty much nailed it, I got the wren 98s after they stopped making the steeple so it has the tour core. The k98’s are the oldest pair, I think I got them in late 2015 before they reduced the tail rocker. The w108’s are brand new and the j114’s use to belong to powtron.

[Sessiøn]

Not really. I'm looking for a progressive-mounted 110 with a longer radius, minimal taper, and a full twin. Basically, a replacement for my older Jeffrey 110s (25m radius) that are custom stiff, ideally with a little less tail rocker than the J110 -- more like the K108's reduced tail rocker. You're not locked into the long radius with rocker and a progressive mount and the long radius isn't hooky when you throw them sideways going fast in variable snow. I'm not the best skier ever, but I haven't found their speed limit yet.

It's really a fantastic ski for jibbing and charging. Like a narrower Bibby on steroids with that sexy bamboo feel.

[kid-kapow]

Pretty much nailed it

yeah, I agree - you nailed it with this quiver Nice!

Man, I really wanna try some w98/96s.

[optics]

Not really. I'm looking for a progressive-mounted 110 with a longer radius, minimal taper, and a full twin. Basically, a replacement for my older Jeffrey 110s (25m radius) that are custom stiff, ideally with a little less tail rocker than the J110 -- more like the K108's reduced tail rocker. You're not locked into the long radius with rocker and a progressive mount and the long radius isn't hooky when you throw them sideways going fast in variable snow. I'm not the best skier ever, but I haven't found their speed limit yet.

It's really a fantastic ski for jibbing and charging. Like a narrower Bibby on steroids with that sexy bamboo feel.

So...shall we get a group buy thread going for fall 2020 delivery?

Iggy, do we need to do that - or is something already in the works for next year?

[auvgeek]

So...shall we get a group buy thread going for fall 2020 delivery?

Iggy, do we need to do that - or is something already in the works for next year?

I would love to get a group buy going to get this made. It's an idea I've been kicking around in my head for several years now. But unless the rumors are true and Iggy is already planning something that he thinks will sell to the general public, I don't know if this is really financially possible, though, cuz unlike the SuperGoat, this would have to be designed, prototyped and iterated on. If Iggy passes the actual cost for all that on to us, I imagine the group buy price would be staggering.

Then again, the SuperGoat and Wren 114 got made, so maybe it's doable. Who knows.