OFFICIAL TAHOE 18/19 STOKE, CONDITIONS, WEATHER THREAD

[powdork]

The only top to bottom skiable backcountry in Tahoe is Carson Pass or the Mt. Rose Area. Otherwise expect to hike to the snow :/. You can thank global warming.

Dude. Wait.
Whaaaat?

[hercule33]

Dude. Wait.
Whaaaat?

Part of my new Lake Tahoe Backcountry Guide Book. Elephant’s back and Hourglass are what’s left. Stay off everything else. Not worth it unless you like a bushwhacking sufferfest.

[hercule33]

Cash grab under the guise of environmentalism... just cut the shit and make it paid parking and stop insulting us. Oh well, whatever, I will mostly only be there on weekdays. I’d be less skeptical if it was 2 or more but 3 or more makes it pretty obvious.

Total money grab and a part of the cheap pass fallacy. They gotta make up the money somehow. I wonder how long before they ban outside food and drinks. Hopefully now that you have to pay for parking the lifts will spin once the snow falls otherwise this money grab will piss a lot of people off.

[old goat]

In order for mass transit to work the maximum wait has to be 15 minutes. Now if SV used the money to put more buses on the road that might be reasonable. The 60K they give to TART is a pittance. Plus there's no park and ride site available in Truckee, except the schools on weekends, and TART doesn't go there so that means 2 buses. The main effect of this policy will be to move the weekend traffic jam even earlier.
BTW on the website I didn't see the $30 option, just the option for a preferred parking (parking structure) pass. At AM the carpool parking is really the "you have to pay to park because you came late and the free parking is full lot". If SV does offer paid parking in the POW lot that's what it will become.
Just one more way to encourage those who can afford it to stay on the premises and screw everyone else.

[JPaul]

In order for mass transit to work the maximum wait has to be 15 minutes.

On 89 on a good snow weekend, you can pretty much catch the same bus 15 minutes later. Just use the back door.

Agree there's no obvious place to park in Truckee (do school lots want the liability?), and without dedicated transit lanes to the mountain, buses can't make much of a dent on the ride from town.

Seems as well thought out as those private flights into Truckee airport that they promote -> unless you're going to chopper into the village, the airport is still a *long* time away from skiing at SV most weekends.

(Sorry for the anti-stoke, but I find dumping on SV & Tahoe logistics in general is doing wonders for keeping me from getting too excited about upcoming weather. Also looking on Amazon to pre-order hercule33's pamphlet.)

[TahoeJ]

That's what they do at Jackson. It can work so long as people can reliably park at the transit center in Tahoe City and somewhere in Truckee (has to be convenient AND on the way) and all hop into one car. It pissed me off the first time but once I got the hang of it it wasn't bad and the transit center had bathrooms which made a difference. At Jackson there are no unpaid options other than the carpool or shuttle from transit center.

I haven't been to JHMR since 2013 but I believe the deal back then was, the premiere parking was $20 and then the much larger lot (much larger being key) was like $5. But it was also really easy to catch buses into the village from town and they ran frequently. I could be wrong, though.

Just one more way to encourage those who can afford it to stay on the premises and screw everyone else.

This is the reality of it. It's going to be hilarious on some early weekends when all of the free spaces fill up quickly and then you have a bunch of cars circling around looking for a spot while a bunch sit empty nearby. It's really easy to suck it up and pay $5 or maybe even $10 (not really easy for many, I realize) but $30 is a deal breaker.

P.S. my source of the $30 option was a Squaw employee on Facebook. Maybe she was misinformed but she sure didn't sound like it.

[powdork]

As of 2016 the Ranch lot was $10 or carpool. There is a lot of transit from Jackson and tons from the transit center which catches everyone on the way there. It's standard to get ready there and grab extra people to avoid the Ranch lot fee.

[hercule33]

Also looking on Amazon to pre-order hercule33's pamphlet.)

Don’t get too excited. My lawyers wouldn’t let me publish the biggest secrets such as those spots are best enjoyed with a buried layer of surface hoar (less crowds) and leave your beacon, shovel and probe at home to save weight (let’s you do one extra lap).

Disclaimer: if you don’t get this joke, don’t go into the Backcountry until you get some backcountry training.

[hercule33]

I haven't been to JHMR since 2013 but I believe the deal back then was, the premiere parking was $20 and then the much larger lot (much larger being key) was like $5. But it was also really easy to catch buses into the village from town and they ran frequently. I could be wrong, though.



This is the reality of it. It's going to be hilarious on some early weekends when all of the free spaces fill up quickly and then you have a bunch of cars circling around looking for a spot while a bunch sit empty nearby. It's really easy to suck it up and pay $5 or maybe even $10 (not really easy for many, I realize) but $30 is a deal breaker.

P.S. my source of the $30 option was a Squaw employee on Facebook. Maybe she was misinformed but she sure didn't sound like it.

If true, maybe they sold so many IKON passes that they are discouraging people from coming up as much. That would make it a super nasty money grab.

Getting back to stoke, looking forward to it snowing this week.

[Ottime]

I understand people who are against guidebooks and maps and am not going to be changing any opinions there. So going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

As far as living in another country though, I don't see how that invalidates the knowledge I gained from all my time living in Tahoe and SF. I moved up here and loved the Whistler maps that were available, which was what got me thinking that it would be a useful resource for people in Tahoe as well.

But you don't like it and I'm cool with that. No need for anyone to get one if they don't want one!

And as a bonus, you don’t need to deal with the shit show you help create while making money on the side. Makes sense to me.

[hercule33]

And as a bonus, you don’t need to deal with the shit show you help create while making money on the side. Makes sense to me.

Well said.

[Ottime]

Hay, anyone know if KW is open Wednesday?

Can’t find any communication on their website, FB or snow phone. Crazy to think they have all this money to spill carbon into the air, but no one to work communications since Coop left. I mean, all they need to do is record an update on their phone. The current one is from April 9.

I want to get my WROD on before this snow comes and ruins skiing for the winter.

Serious question, as I’ll be up there roasting chestnuts and stuffing my bird.

[TurxSki]

There is snow in the KW cam pic. Bottom of 5/6.
Looks like Coop is still around Tahoe, on OutsideTV nowadays.

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[powdork]

Serious question, as I’ll be up there roasting chestnuts and stuffing my bird.

Dude this is 2018. You can no longer refer to the missus as 'my bird'. #himtoo

[Paul Blart]

Hay, anyone know if KW is open Wednesday?

Can’t find any communication on their website, FB or snow phone. Crazy to think they have all this money to spill carbon into the air, but no one to work communications since Coop left. I mean, all they need to do is record an update on their phone. The current one is from April 9.

I want to get my WROD on before this snow comes and ruins skiing for the winter.

Serious question, as I’ll be up there roasting chestnuts and stuffing my bird.

No news is good news I would have to imagine. Website events still has 21st listed as opening day. If they don’t announce otherwise by this afternoon I would say it’ll be a go.

[NorCalNomad]

...buried layer of surface hoar (less crowds) and leave your beacon, shovel and probe at home to save weight (let’s you do one extra lap)...

Wait...you're not suppose to be in hoars with no protection?

[JPaul]

And as a bonus, you don’t need to deal with the shit show you help create while making money on the side. Makes sense to me.

Applies to Placer County officials as well

[TahoeBC]

The digital sign on 89 just after you turn off 50 says Ebbetts closes tomorrow due to incoming storm

[lepistoir]

And as a bonus, you don’t need to deal with the shit show you help create while making money on the side. Makes sense to me.

Applies to Placer County officials as well

Colonialism at its most pure.

[~mikey b]

The digital sign on 89 just after you turn off 50 says Ebbetts closes tomorrow due to incoming storm

Sonora Pass and Tioga Pass too.

[Robojerry]

Yeah, I remember hearing about this a few months back. This will work really well, especially on weekends. Almost as brilliant as Alpine having almost all of the upper lot vacant for paid parking on busy days. I guess they figure the best way to solve the traffic problem is by making parking more scarce. Oh, and those little vans (micro-transit - so catchy) that serve the few people already in the valley that are mostly always empty and you need a fuckin app to get a ride.

They just started (sorta) enforcing it this weekend... lax letting people in until a real chairlift opens (sorry papoose) but barricades, signage, and parking peeps were out in force this morning.

As you predicted, wide open empty parking lot. Kinda sucks for people just trying to grab a sandwich or get their yoga on.

I'm all for microtransit and park and ride on the weekend when the valley neighborhoods are bumpin and the lots full by 6:13 am, but this makes absolutely zero sense midweek.

[El Chupacabra]

Mt Rose email says they're opening Kit Carson tomorrow, and the Northwest chairlift. Guess buying all those snow guns worked out.

[TurxSki]

^^^ Ya, just saw [emoji41]
Came here to say we hit up NS wrod today. It was fun. Totally worth it.

But yay Rose for bringing it!

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[old goat]

On 89 on a good snow weekend, you can pretty much catch the same bus 15 minutes later. Just use the back door.

LOL

Here's some more anti-stoke. AM redid the men's room in the base lodge and the stalls have no shelves. That does it! Epic pass next year.
Felt good to make turns this AM. I'll probably wait until there's more to ski before I go again.
I wonder what usual opening days were back before the resorts started to get serious about snowmaking. I recall Thanksgiving skiing being unusual, but the memory is going.

[powdork]

I'm all for microtransit and park and ride on the weekend when the valley neighborhoods are bumpin and the lots full by 6:13 am, but this makes absolutely zero sense midweek.

makes perfect sense. what's the cost to run a parking lot vs several lifts? lifts are stupid once you get to them you've already paid and customers riding lifts are really just shitting on the shareholders anyway. once you enter the valley you are already a source of fixed income (ticket/pass) so their only goal after that is incremental income. They don't care how they get it but if they can use climate change to their advantage they sure will. How does it help climate change if folks from Truckee have to drive past Squaw to the Tahoe City transit center to get on a bus or in a carpool. Without significant investment in Truckee for a parknride this is nothing but greenwashing a price increase that has the potential to harm the planet.