The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA

[Core Shot]

Then again, this is the internet where basic knowledge doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for expressing drastic opinions.

Definitely sig worthy

But, the main reason for a higher climbing post, is the fact that many existing ski tracks are too steep. If you set your own track, yes it is better to be shallow. My legs agree. But some places it’s easier to follow the herd.

[Lindahl]

If you’re in good shape and short on time, steep and quick can trump shallow and effecient. Higher risers are also nice for breaking trail for a yoyo track or navigating tricky terrain obstacles. Or if you have limited dorsiflexion. Its nice to have the option.

That said, you can always just put a couple more holes in your ski:
https://www.voile.com/voile-switchba...ires-65mm.html

[grskier]

Oh and I gotta at least make a separate post for this because...are you serious? Like have you paid attention at all to who is on the team? Greg Fuckin Hill...the guy that toured 2 million vert in a year. Chris Rubens...the guy that has an allergic reaction to ski resorts. Tony Lamiche, Alex Pittin...legendary Chamonix guides, Pete Gaston...a friggin randonee racer. Hell, even I have summited and skied Denali, skied in the Himalaya and done multiple human powered only film trips in AK and BC. I'm not upset by the ignorance, more amazed really. Then again, this is the internet where basic knowledge doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for expressing drastic opinions.

Eye roll worthy... and you didn't even post the video of the fucking design engineer.

[SkiLyft]

Has anyone handled or swapped brakes on these yet- that can comment on ease or difficultly? Wanting to switch between 110s for 95s on occasion, maybe twice a year - in combo w/ insets.

Just recorded a video of full removal and replacement. Took 5 minutes for 1 binding which is a minute more than my radicals.

Re the brakes just just snap in when the back of the binding is removed


https://youtu.be/N2DbERq8dXw



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[CascadeLuke]

Nicely done! Thanks
Gold star for you

[TahoeJ]

I don’t always read gear reviews, but when I do, I’m always most interested in the ones where the reviewer never actually used the product!

[bw_wp_hedonism]

Just got my set. Super excited to get these on snow. I’ve been playing with them in the living room, and they are super easy to use so far.

Cody - definitely worth getting the word out better somehow on pinching the wings to flip back into ski mode.

[JPaul]

Nice video, Mr. Lyft,

Confirms I will *definitely* drop/lose that little collar on the forward toe screw if I try to go messing with inserts!

[SkiLyft]

Nice video, Mr. Lyft,

Confirms I will *definitely* drop/lose that little collar on the forward toe screw if I try to go messing with inserts!

Hahaha I know!! Rarely (actually never) do I fiddle with changing the bindings on the snow. Not worth it.


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[wren]

That little toe screw collar is definitely an easy piece to lose, but that process doesn't look too bad. I was leaning towards a set of warden MNCs for alpine and Shifts later on a mixed alpine/tour ski, but I have shitload of inserts so this might be the way to go. Thats for that video!

[LeeLau]

Just got my set. Super excited to get these on snow. I’ve been playing with them in the living room, and they are super easy to use so far.

Cody - definitely worth getting the word out better somehow on pinching the wings to flip back into ski mode.

I used the handle of my ski pole to engage the ski to walk lever. Also used my hands. Not a problem

[Alkasquawlik]

Watched your video, one thing of note, try not to use a power driver to unscrew the forward pressure screw. The threaded gasket can strip. I believe it says this in the directions in the box but just wanted to reiterate it. It’ll probably take super high speeds and a fuck up with the power driver but regardless, something to watch out for.

[SkiLyft]

Watched your video, one thing of note, try not to use a power driver to unscrew the forward pressure screw. The threaded gasket can strip. I believe it says this in the directions in the box but just wanted to reiterate it. It’ll probably take super high speeds and a fuck up with the power driver but regardless, something to watch out for.

Thanks for the heads up Cody! I’ll hand adjust the forward pressure.

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[XXX-er]

Oh and I gotta at least make a separate post for this because...are you serious? Like have you paid attention at all to who is on the team? Greg Fuckin Hill...the guy that toured 2 million vert in a year. Chris Rubens...the guy that has an allergic reaction to ski resorts. Tony Lamiche, Alex Pittin...legendary Chamonix guides, Pete Gaston...a friggin randonee racer. Hell, even I have summited and skied Denali, skied in the Himalaya and done multiple human powered only film trips in AK and BC. I'm not upset by the ignorance, more amazed really. Then again, this is the internet where basic knowledge doesn't seem to be a prerequisite for expressing drastic opinions.

no doubting the cred of the team for me but people are still likely to want a high and a low riser cuz they have always had a high and a low riser

is this possible with the design and have you tested a dual riser system?

[reckless toboggan]

no doubting the cred of the team for me but people are still likely to want a high and a low riser cuz they have always had a high and a low riser

^^^This.

For short slack country and yo-yo laps a higher riser would be good. Especially when there's already a skin track set, and you don't have the time or want to set a new 10 degree skin track. Not all of us are breaking new trail at every ski touring spot we visit. And, althought we may act like it, we don't get heli-dropped in areas with little to no traffic every week. Maybe the guys setting the slightly steeper skin tracks in zones I frequent didn't get the 10° efficiency memo from Salomon.

That said, I have 2 pairs. Already have the Atomic Shifts mounted up, just waiting for my Salomon's. They are super easy to operate, and feel good on the carpet.

The Atomics feel a bit mellow in the tall climbing mode when compared to my vertical ft's in the tall mode, but I do have a 7mm shim under the toe of the verts, which negates some of the rise in the tall mode.

In terms of real world use of my vertical ft's, and their reduced tall bail because of a 7mm toe shim, there are a few times (maybe 5 to 10%) where I'd like the toe shim gone to make for a higher tall mode. But the shim keeps the angle of the boot sole in the clog the same for my full touring and full alpine setups, which makes it well worth the trade off.

FWIW, I'm thinking there's not going to be a big difference, in terms of real world application, in the tall bail heights of my shimmed vert ft's and the Shifts.

I feel like the Shift is so well designed as to not need to make this kind of a trade-off, all they have to do is add a tall bail...but I digress, we've all had this conversation before, and it is what it is.

is this possible with the design and have you tested a dual riser system?

My question too.

Seems like a taller climbing bail wouldn't be a difficult add-on piece, or a new brake unit with one extra step.

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Seems like with all the enthusiasm for these bindings that a lot of skin tracks will be set shallower this winter

[XXX-er]

I doubt that ^^

the tester team would have skied that binding alot at Rogers pass where all the uptracks are crazy steep

[reckless toboggan]

^^^Yah.

The Pass has steep skin tracks and that's where I most want the taller lift on my shimmed vert ft's. There are only a few spots, or sections at a time, where I'd like a taller bail. About 10% of the skin up the Pass on a given day maybe. Totally manageable, but a want none the less.

I'm assuming it's going to be about the same on the Shifts.

I think the downhill is going to get a lot more fun on the Shifts.

[Judo Chop!]

See the pictures for a 110 on Icelantic nomads which are sitting on top of my unmounted lotus124 tour1.

wait... what?
bare with me here i've been in summer-mode. So you're saying the 110 brake fits better on a 124 waist ski than the 120 brake? damn.

I ordered the 120's for my Renegades. hmm... might have to switch.

[Griff And Or]

wait... what?
bare with me here i've been in summer-mode. So you're saying the 110 brake fits better on a 124 waist ski than the 120 brake? damn.

I ordered the 120's for my Renegades. hmm... might have to switch.

I think you would have to bend them some to make it work. Just placing the 110 brake on them didn't seem like they would quite clear the lotus. I think someone else managed to fit a 100 on a 118 in this thread with some bending.

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[Norseman]

What's the ramp delta on this binding?

[Treycal]

What's the ramp delta on this binding?

According to Lou at Wild Snow - 9mm difference between heel and toe. Toe height = 37mm and Heel height = 46mm. See here for comparisons to other bindings.

[Norseman]

Thanks.

[jdadour]

According to Lou at Wild Snow - 9mm difference between heel and toe. Toe height = 37mm and Heel height = 46mm. See here for comparisons to other bindings.

Thats not what Blister states. And remember some discussion about the ramp not being that much. 9mm is a lot.

Ramp: with MTN Lab boots, 4 mm (same as Salomon Warden)

Stack Height: 21-25 mm, depending on your BSL

[Gorilla]

Thats not what Blister states. And remember some discussion about the ramp not being that much. 9mm is a lot.

Ramp: with MTN Lab boots, 4 mm (same as Salomon Warden)

Stack Height: 21-25 mm, depending on your BSL

Lou's numbers are based on estimates of where the tech heel and toe fittings would be. For comparison with alpine bindings, the Blister measurements are obviously better.