Dandelions

[Danno]

We've been laying down weed and feed in the spring, not sure if we're killing the environment but the grass seems to like it and the dandelions seem not to like it.

[jackstraw]

The issue is that the dandelions aren’t very soft under foot and we walk around barefoot quite a bit (although not in the chicken yard).

Oh ffs! Throw down some crushed stone and walk across daily until your little toes toughen up.

[Flyoverland Captive]

Looks like the primary ingredient is dimethylamine salt. I’m not totally familiar with it but a quick google search suggests it’s got some potential side effects on aquatic animals and others.

Hmm... I think the small quantity being used would make any side-effects pretty rare, but I don't really know. It takes me a year to go through one gallon; at such a low concentration, it probably dilutes/diffuses before it can harm anything other than the plant.

[Peruvian]

Oh ffs! Throw down some crushed stone and walk across daily until your little toes toughen up.

So you don't do any yard work to make the place look nice?

[Peruvian]

Hmm... I think the small quantity being used would make any side-effects pretty rare, but I don't really know. It takes me a year to go through one gallon; at such a low concentration, it probably dilutes/diffuses before it can harm anything other than the plant.

I suspect for spot weeding you may be correct, but I'll be Ortho sells a metric shit ton of that stuff a year so one person's use may not be all that much but when it's added up.....

As for my needs, I've got a lot of property so spot weeding wouldn't work for me.

[OregonDead]

Dandelion wine! The man is trying to keep you down saying weed is bad.

[muted]

i don't think cancer tumors just spring up instantly from petro chemicals.

[KQ]

I have been doing the by-hand for years and I'm over it. they grow back quickly. Time for some chemicals which I've been avoiding because of dogs and kids. I guess I'll try this product before we leave for a week in June. Or maybe I'm too cautious? I know Round-up is pure evil, it kills deer...

If round-up killed deer there wouldn't be the herds there are in EWA. Round-up kills deer like Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor.

I have dandelions - horses love them. For those in the yard I hand pull with that tool someone posted up page. There are worse things. Maybe you should make some wine or pick the greens and sell them at the local farmers market. When life gives you dandelions....

[bagtagley]

Grampa's Weeder!

http://www.grampasgardenware.com/

Burn one, put on some tunes, and you'll be done...in a couple of hours.

[jackstraw]

So you don't do any yard work to make the place look nice?

More than I want to, but less than I do on the MTN bike trails.

[oftpiste]

Just spent the morning Round-Upping dandelions. Go for it, hippy.

[muted]

If round-up killed deer there wouldn't be the herds there are in EWA. Round-up kills deer like Hillary Clinton ran a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor.

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.co...etail-decline/

"Farmers who care about today’s children and all future generations of animals and people would be wise to immediately switch to farming organically. If that is not possible, they should not use pesticides like Roundup, Chlorothalonil, Neonics, 2,4-D, Atrazine and others that have been shown to be the most deadly to animals of all kinds, from beneficial insects to larger mammals like white-tailed deer."

Read the whole article though.

[skaredshtles]

Put some shoes on, hippy.

He's a hippy - fucking TOUGHEN up those feet, hippy.

Damn hippy.

[KQ]

http://www.northamericanwhitetail.co...etail-decline/

"Farmers who care about today’s children and all future generations of animals and people would be wise to immediately switch to farming organically. If that is not possible, they should not use pesticides like Roundup, Chlorothalonil, Neonics, 2,4-D, Atrazine and others that have been shown to be the most deadly to animals of all kinds, from beneficial insects to larger mammals like white-tailed deer."

Read the whole article though.

And is the American public prepared to pay for all organic produce?

Don't come around here. 2-4,D, glyphosate et al are essential to farming in this valley. Yes we have one or two organic farms that work about 2 to 4 acres with horses but it's not practical on a large scale and since we can't get the migrant workers to hand weed chemicals it is.

BTW - I use all those chemicals and have seen an increase in both my mule deer and white tail populations in the last 5 years so.......

Sure wish all those chemicals would kill gophers. They've been thriving these last couple years.

[Peruvian]

I'll invite TGR over for a meal after putting petro-chem weed and feed down on the yard for the next several years.

Did I mention the veggie garden is downhill from the lawn so all that shit ends up down there? You can all enjoy the herbicide run-off potato salad, green bean casserole, and grilled zucchini.

I can go to Wal-Mart and get that kind of food already.

[Mofro261]

Dandelion don't tell no lies
Dandelion will make you wise

[Peruvian]

And is the American public prepared to pay for all organic produce?

Don't come around here. 2-4,D, glyphosate et al are essential to farming in this valley. Yes we have one or two organic farms that work about 2 to 4 acres with horses but it's not practical on a large scale and since we can't get the migrant workers to hand weed chemicals it is.

BTW - I use all those chemicals and have seen an increase in both my mule deer and white tail populations in the last 5 years so.......

Sure wish all those chemicals would kill gophers. They've been thriving these last couple years.

KQ - we already pay for it. It's referred to as secondary costs. Tax breaks for DuPont/Ortho/BASF, clean up of superfund sites on pretro-chem plants, and other expenses.

I know we are not in a place to eliminate all petro-chem agriculture but certainly trying to find ways around it makes sense.

As for your perceived increase in mule deer, objectively Washington F&WM has noted a decrease in the mule deer population. It may be diminished habitat or any number of other reasons why you are seeing them on your land.

[Danno]

I'll invite TGR over for a meal after putting petro-chem weed and feed down on the yard for the next several years.

Did I mention the veggie garden is downhill from the lawn so all that shit ends up down there? You can all enjoy the herbicide run-off potato salad, green bean casserole, and grilled zucchini.

I can go to Wal-Mart and get that kind of food already.

Clearly, then, the answer is simple. You need to regrade your yard.

[Buster Highmen]

Isn't there some gardening with guns website or video that would help you select the proper firearm to deal with dandelions?
I suspect a 30-06 would do them pretty well even though some dinky 9mm would probably do the trick.

(I think there's some good material here for a youtube channel)

[KQ]

As for your perceived increase in mule deer, objectively Washington F&WM has noted a decrease in the mule deer population. It may be diminished habitat or any number of other reasons why you are seeing them on your land.

With regard to the herds of deer that roam my property it is has been my direct observation over the last 10 years that the increase is due to year after year of bumper crops of fawns actually being born here and not large numbers moving in from other places but that is entirely possible as I do encourage all manner of wildlife through riparian restoration areas.

I have actually witnessed rut, watched the does get fat bellies then seen newborn fawns. Most of the white tails have twins on a regular basis so I assume they are healthy. I do keep count of the herd sizes and number of bucks to does.

On occasion I even have moose but they are generally just moving up and down the river.

[muted]

And is the American public prepared to pay for all organic produce?

Don't come around here. 2-4,D, glyphosate et al are essential to farming in this valley. Yes we have one or two organic farms that work about 2 to 4 acres with horses but it's not practical on a large scale and since we can't get the migrant workers to hand weed chemicals it is.

BTW - I use all those chemicals and have seen an increase in both my mule deer and white tail populations in the last 5 years so.......

Sure wish all those chemicals would kill gophers. They've been thriving these last couple years.

Anyways, back to lawns, I'm trying not to kill my dogs prematurely with Roundup.

[adrenalated]

Clearly, then, the answer is simple. You need to regrade your yard.

Should probably just buy a new house.

[AdironRider]

You aren't going to kill your dog early using Round Up. Maybe if you let them drink from the backpack sprayer you would, but otherwise no.

Weed and Feed that lawn and be done with it. Otherwise you are going to spend at least 1000% more time fucking with weeds than you would gain with your pup from not using round up (if you continue to believe you are killing them). Either method, you aren't playing with the dog, might as well take the path of least resistance and be done with it.

[MultiVerse]

Don't come around here. 2-4,D, glyphosate et al are essential to farming in this valley. Yes we have one or two organic farms that work about 2 to 4 acres with horses but it's not practical on a large scale and since we can't get the migrant workers to hand weed chemicals it is.

If wishes were fishes... it would be a good thing if safer cost effective alternatives to glyphosate existed because FDA chemists have been quietly finding glyphosate in food.

The chemists found glyphosate residue on just about everything: crackers, granola, cornmeal, honey, oatmeal, baby food, and even corn. Their surreptitious corn test—one of the four items the FDA is actually testing—found glyphosate significantly over the legal limit set by the EPA. The chemists emailed their bosses to ask what to do. The FDA’s response (which was also captured in the FOIA documents): That corn was not an “official sample” and will thus be ignored.

https://modernfarmer.com/2018/05/ema...osate-in-food/

[Danno]

Should probably just buy a new house.

Good idea.

Peruvian, buy my parents' house, it's not that far from you, and it's pretty sweet. Guaranteed dandelion free.*










* subject to a lot of small print, not an actual guarantee, etc.