ON3P SKIS Discussion

[Norseman]

x2, lol

[tuco]

Pure gold!
Now I finally want a Sig.

[Banh Mi]

Why do you ski the Kartel? Do you like the more jibby feel? How does it feel when you open it up in bigger terrain?


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I have 5 days on 186 Kartel 116s, 5 Days on SG’s, and 10 or more on 189 BGs this season. I personally find the BG/SG quick in trees for their relative size, but I’m heavier.

I ski 186 Kartels on days I wanna take it slower (a lot lately because I’m having boot issues), or in slush. In open terrain, I could have went 191s for sure, but that’s not the purpose of them. I have those other directional skis for charging. The 186s can still rally, and will straightline through a choppy and chundery terrain as long as its not super firm. You just gotta stay a little lighter on your feet, the 186 isnt going to plow through.



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[MHSP1497]

I have 5 days on 186 Kartel 116s, 5 Days on SG’s, and 10 or more on 189 BGs this season. I personally find the BG/SG quick in trees for their relative size, but I’m heavier.

I ski 186 Kartels on days I wanna take it slower (a lot lately because I’m having boot issues), or in slush. In open terrain, I could have went 191s for sure, but that’s not the purpose of them. I have those other directional skis for charging. The 186s can still rally, and will straightline through a choppy and chundery terrain as long as its not super firm. You just gotta stay a little lighter on your feet, the 186 isnt going to plow through.



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I ride 184 BG’s at 6’ 185-190lbs and find them to be some of the most manuverable skis I’ve been on, in soft snow. They’re fantastic in the trees on Mt. Hood (and in Tahoe last Year) and blast thru just about every snow condition I’ve encountered.

However, they’re not a whole ton of fun on the groomers. They’ll do it, and they’re “fine” but they take some work and require too much focus, IMO.

That’s why I went with K98’s with added Carbon and wood veneer. I rode my wife’s custom Wren88’s for a few runs and decided I wanted something a little more center mounted. I added the Carbon and veneer in an effort to further remove the Kartel’s from their park background. I don’t ski the park, but I do like to pop off natural features, hit the occasional jump or have fun doing 180’s on the snow or riding switch while helping a friend improve. The added stiffness help the tips from feeling too floppy and improves the feel in a full-on carve as well as adding power on the exit of a turn. I can see how a K108 or K116 could also address these same concerns, but I went K98 as I intend to use them mostly on groomers, icy days, crap snow days, etc and didn’t see a ton of value in a larger waist.

[SkiLyft]

Does anyone know the effective edge in the BG 184 vs K116 186?

... kidding found it. How about the rocker profile?

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[thebrucemac]

Don’t overthink, or get caught up in TGR’s long ski infatuation.

HA! x3 That is funny stuff right there!

Related, I am wondering if I should size down to 184 on a pair of W96's. Haven't drilled my 189 W98's yet and only got about 10 days on my W108's this season. Honestly, the 189 Wrens are a lot of ski for me, but in a good way and I'm getting acquainted. I like'em. I'm a fit 5ft 10in at just over 200. Weight/size leans towards the 189, but not having a chance to ride the W98's yet, I'm wondering if I should wait until I get some time on the 98's or go another direction entirely and fill another hole in the quiver. Any thoughts?

[N1CK.]

5'10 & 190lbs ... shitty skier on 184 W108s and 184 BGs

[FlimFlamvanHam]

my feeling is unless you are needing them for straightlining and thrashing Alaskan spines (oh, no? really?) or weigh north of 220, shorter is more usable at the resort. Again, just one guy's opinion. i started sizing more to my size and weight about 3 seasons ago rather than simply going longer right off the bat. There is no doubt longer is more stable but it is amazing how quickly one can adjust to a 5 or 7cm downsize and then just find the longer ones unecessary and cumbersome. YMMV.

[Self Jupiter]

My biggest issue I have with my longer skis are the way they beat up my legs, shins and feet. But I’m a wuss, so there’s that.

[blackalps]

my feeling is unless you are needing them for straightlining and thrashing Alaskan spines (oh, no? really?) or weigh north of 220, shorter is more usable at the resort. Again, just one guy's opinion. i started sizing more to my size and weight about 3 seasons ago rather than simply going longer right off the bat. There is no doubt longer is more stable but it is amazing how quickly one can adjust to a 5 or 7cm downsize and then just find the longer ones unecessary and cumbersome. YMMV.

Yeah. After my 190 sick days I felt like my 181 nomads were too short (they probably are) and was worried my 179 wrens would be too short as well. After skiing then I can’t imagine needing them to be more stable or faster. If they were much longer I think I’d have to start doing hop turns like Scott Schmidt and Glen Plake at Chamonix just to get them around fast enough.


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[Banh Mi]

My biggest issue I have with my longer skis are the way they beat up my legs, shins and feet. But I’m a wuss, so there’s that.

You were ripping on those 194 Devastators the other day! Seems like they would be long for trees though, but that’s where you use Q’s right?

I like short and long skis. They both serve a purpose in a quiver.

To the guys asking, I remember reading other 200lb guys have sized down to the 184, and had no issues with stability. Maybe Phiber Awptik or Xavier?


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[Self Jupiter]

not great for trees but doable. worse for tight, rutty moguls - there’s nowhere for that tail to go, sometimes. 188 Qs great for those. I also like long and short skis. I would go full Marcel Hirscher on ski Trips if I could.

But I mentioned that because I haven’t seen it talked about in the long ski short ski TGR ski thing. A big, heavy ski, even if it skis ‘easy’ is putting more pressure on the body at all times.

I read somewhere that Todd Ligare skis on a 178 length pow ski because he liked his turn shape better. The ninjas do what they want.

[CascadeLuke]

Have been really enjoying the Steeple 108 184 as compliment to 189 asym BG. With ST108 getting wiped off lineup any way to get that shape in a BG flex?

[MHSP1497]

HA! x3 That is funny stuff right there!

Related, I am wondering if I should size down to 184 on a pair of W96's. Haven't drilled my 189 W98's yet and only got about 10 days on my W108's this season. Honestly, the 189 Wrens are a lot of ski for me, but in a good way and I'm getting acquainted. I like'em. I'm a fit 5ft 10in at just over 200. Weight/size leans towards the 189, but not having a chance to ride the W98's yet, I'm wondering if I should wait until I get some time on the 98's or go another direction entirely and fill another hole in the quiver. Any thoughts?

I doubt you’d notice a ton of difference in the 2 lengths given your parameters, but, there might be a noticeable change in stiffness between the new W96 and the W98. I’m pretty sure they’ve stiffened up the forebody of the ski which would change how it skis more than a 5cm shorter equivalent W98. I’m not exactly the right person to comment on how the Wren series skis as I’ve only put a few runs on the wife’s 179 W88’s (that are considerably softer than stock by design, so not a real fair comparison) so take it all with a grain of salt.

[Ottime]

Oh geez. More parts to the equation.

How much stiffer is the W96?

Now I’m wondering if the 184 would be better than the 189. He’ll, I’m starting to wonder if I should be looking at Kartels.

My daily driver is the 3gen 191 Wren (with the slight rocker in tail). Love this ski. It suits me and I find it kind of playful. Not hard to ski in west coast trees. Just a bit wide for firm groomers and tight bumps.

Looking for ski to use on firm winter days and on spring day. Currently I’m usually on the 191, occasionally on a pair of 186 LPs.

5’9”, 185#. Decent skier. Likes to go fast and jump off small things. When I was recovering from ankle surgery, I looked like a PSIA instructor.

My current other ski is a 196 Bod, but only really take that out on powder days. Maybe the day after if it was deep and cold.

I was thinking the 189, as with the rockered tip, I assume they ski short. Am
I wrong about this?

Now I wonder if 184 might offer more variety to my quiver and fit nicely between bumps (my kids 118s do).

[undertow2]

Ott, I ski the 189 98 and 108 and both ski short... You can see that the Wren series has a fair amount of tip rocker and subtle tail rocker... They def ski much shorter than your OG series as well as your current gen... The 98 is not demanding at all and fairly easy going, but still gets after it...

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[Doremite]

Not sure if helpful but I telemark the 98s in a 184cm in the east. I feel the length a bit in tight trees but certainly does not ski long. “Feels” more like a ~180cm rig to me (used to a more traditional ski w less rocker being a wailer 105 fanboy). I would go 189cm for alpine even on the ec. 5’10” 175 bare ass.

[Banh Mi]

The 189 108s are more ski than the 186 Viciks were, but they’re not quite as stable or as long as 191 Wrens were. To me, they are different skis. I thought vicik and 191W felt a little more similar, in a big bro/lil bro sort of way. The 189 W108s are a little looser in the tail, a little quicker edge to edge, and overall more “fun” for me to ski, but then the material, weight, length and sidecut, still allow for more stability than 186 viciks.

I think W98s or 96s would compliment the 191s nicely. There might be a little overlap with the 189 w108/114s and 191s, but I could see sizing down to the 184 108 for tight stuff at kirkwood, and keep the 191 for open terrain.

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[TahoeJ]

FWIW, the 98's in 184 ski shorter than the 108's in the same length. Probably because the 108's are a bit stiffer.

[mr_pretzel]

The 189 108s are more ski than the 186 Viciks were, but they’re not quite as stable or as long as 191 Wrens were. To me, they are different skis. I thought vicik and 191W felt a little more similar, in a big bro/lil bro sort of way. The 189 W108s are a little looser in the tail, a little quicker edge to edge, and overall more “fun” for me to ski, but then the material, weight, length and sidecut, still allow for more stability than 186 viciks.

I think W98s or 96s would compliment the 191s nicely. There might be a little overlap with the 189 w108/114s and 191s, but I could see sizing down to the 184 108 for tight stuff at kirkwood, and keep the 191 for open terrain.

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You really need to update your quiver pic with all the new sticks

[Doremite]

FWIW, the 98's in 184 ski shorter than the 108's in the same length. Probably because the 108's are a bit stiffer.

Good to know and supports my desire for the 179cm w108s for an east coast soft snow tree ski.

[Banh Mi]

You really need to update your quiver pic with all the new sticks

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[Banh Mi]

186 K116, 186 K108(garnet topsheet), 189 BG, 189 W108, 193 SG, 191 C&D

That’s the resort quiver for next year too. I’m not selling anything, I like everything, I have settled on these and I ain’t buying anymore inbounds skis.

Unless, On3p releases the AUVgeek 111 pro model, which I think a few people are already on board with.. Perhaps, 110ish underfoot, -5 or -6 mount point, 26-28m sidecut, barely any taper, 2350g/ski in 186, 2450g/ski in 191.

Maybe the Wren 108/K108 lovechild? On3p’s version of a skinny Bibby pro, or wider PB&J, except heavier and more fun/poppy? Idk what you’d call it. Maybe 2020 Jeffrey 110?


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[Doremite]

Testament to creation

[Banh Mi]

Once I finish my degree, I will sell everything and consolidate to the 2 ski quiver of 2020 On3ps.

Except for Aevergoats.. Those are going on my wall once they hit 50 powder days.