The Official Salomon S/Lab SHIFT MNC Thread -AMA

[smooth operator]

Shit, the MTN /BackLand is one of the cleanest best thought out touring bindings to show up over the last few years.

Isn't the MTN pin binding built by ATK? and just a combination of toe and heel pieces used in other ATK bindings over the years? I think only the brake is 'new'. But I could be wrong.

[geoffers]

Any word on the mount pattern yet ?
I may get new skis I'd like to use this season and switch to shift in one year.

Is the mount pattern going to share some holes with the sth2 or none ?

Not sure if anyone has posted details of the hole pattern yet, but just found this French site which gives an idea of the layout (in cm.) http://www.skipass.com/forums/sports...0.html#3361404





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[grinch]

Not sure if anyone has posted details of the hole pattern yet, but just found this French site which gives an idea of the layout (in cm.) http://www.skipass.com/forums/sports...0.html#3361404





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Good one. Looks like it could slot in around a few other patterns. Toe is long and that single rear and wide Center heal holes should help fit them on skis that have been previously mounted, especially with the fair amount of heel track adjustment it has

[geoffers1]

Good one. Looks like it could slot in around a few other patterns. Toe is long and that single rear and wide Center heal holes should help fit them on skis that have been previously mounted, especially with the fair amount of heel track adjustment it has

The diagram is tip to the left, so 5 holes on the toe & 4 holes on the heel plate (adjustable)

The skipass link shows potential conflict with other binding mount patterns...

[doebedoe]

Not sure if anyone has posted details of the hole pattern yet, but just found this French site which gives an idea of the layout (in cm.) http://www.skipass.com/forums/sports...0.html#3361404





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Good news it seems for me. Got a set of Protests mounted with Griffon Schizos (same pattern as griffs?) that I would like to put a set of Shifts on for a Japan trip. Looks like a -0.5 Shift mount should be no problem at the same BSL.

[grinch]

The diagram is tip to the left, so 5 holes on the toe & 4 holes on the heel plate (adjustable)

The skipass link shows potential conflict with other binding mount patterns...

Shit. I thought they put two wide one in the heel for side load and four long spaced toe ones for walking. Too bad. Guess I’ll need some new skis......

[Judo Chop!]

FWIW I did my best to line up that picture with some of the templates for Kingpin. Both at 305mm because that's what's in that image.
I can't vouch for how reliable those two sets of templates are. It was also a quick hack job, so don't drill based on my work.




for kingpin I used these: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...in#post4584383

I'm guessing a lot of us are interested in remounting skis kingpin > shift. Looks to me like there's plenty of toe clearance. and apparently the shift heel has 30mm of adjustment, so it could move forward or back to fit. Or possibly even share two of the same holes.

[Spyderjon]

Those Frenchies don't make it easy as there's two dims missing. By my calcs the boot centre line to the rearmost toe holes is 62.5mm and the boot centre line to the foremost heel holes is 122mm (for a 305mm bsl).

[Pat]

Can anyone here tell me how the Shift compares with a Baron in terms of ramp angle? Maybe ramp angle isn't the right term for it, but I'm trying to figure out how the toe height compares with the heel height. According to https://thepisteoffice.com/index.php...ta-angles.html, the Baron is equal both front and back. Does anyone know yet how the Shift is designed? I think it is important to measure the height to the underside of the toe cup and heel cup instead of just to the top of the AFD. That way different soles (AT vs. alpine) don't affect the calculation. Basically I'm looking for the measurement from the top of the ski to the underside of the part of the binding that touches the top of the toe lip and heel lip.
I'm hoping to find this information to determine if changing from the Baron to the Shift will put me in a more forward stance.

[LeeLau]

Can anyone here tell me how the Shift compares with a Baron in terms of ramp angle? Maybe ramp angle isn't the right term for it, but I'm trying to figure out how the toe height compares with the heel height. According to https://thepisteoffice.com/index.php...ta-angles.html, the Baron is equal both front and back. Does anyone know yet how the Shift is designed? I think it is important to measure the height to the underside of the toe cup and heel cup instead of just to the top of the AFD. That way different soles (AT vs. alpine) don't affect the calculation. Basically I'm looking for the measurement from the top of the ski to the underside of the part of the binding that touches the top of the toe lip and heel lip.
I'm hoping to find this information to determine if changing from the Baron to the Shift will put me in a more forward stance.

Measured with Vulcan in bindings in ski mode. Approximate for pin height at toe (looking at centre of toe pin) and heel above ski top sheet when mounted - stack height is 38/50mm front to rear. I don't have Barons to measure. I don't have an alpine boot to measure. So you're on your own as to your specific question

[steveski]

Measured with Vulcan in bindings in ski mode. Approximate for pin height at toe (looking at centre of toe pin) and heel above ski top sheet when mounted - stack height is 38/50mm front to rear. I don't have Barons to measure. I don't have an alpine boot to measure. So you're on your own as to your specific question

12mm ramp angle is same as vipecs I believe?

[Pat]

Thanks, LeeLau. Can you tell me what the height is at the underside of the toe cup instead of the pin when in ski mode? I think that would be more useful, as I want to know how the ramp angle when descending, and I wouldn't descend using pins.

[LeeLau]

Thanks, LeeLau. Can you tell me what the height is at the underside of the toe cup instead of the pin when in ski mode? I think that would be more useful, as I want to know how the ramp angle when descending, and I wouldn't descend using pins.

Pat I measured it in ski mode. If I can't make it more clear I stuck the boot in the SHIFT in ski mode then measured to the pins of the boot. Why on earth would I measure it when in tour mode?

[LeeLau]

12mm ramp angle is same as vipecs I believe?

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EDIT _ my Kingpins are on loan so those numbers are approx till I confirm

[Pat]

Pat I measured it in ski mode. If I can't make it more clear I stuck the boot in the SHIFT in ski mode then measured to the pins of the boot. Why on earth would I measure it when in the pins?

Thanks for the clarification, LeeLau. I was confused because you measured it to "the pins of the boot", when I asked about measuring it to the top of the toe cup. The boot pin inserts can vary in height depending on the boot and sole. That's why I was asking for the measurement to the bottom of the toe cup, which is used in ski mode, unlike the pin inserts in the boot. That measurement is what I believe will determine the angle of the boot and eliminate variables soles can introduce. If I am wrong on this please let me know. I've not dealt with something like this before.
Thanks again for your efforts.

[LeeLau]

Thanks for the clarification, LeeLau. I was confused because you measured it to "the pins of the boot", when I asked about measuring it to the top of the toe cup. The boot pin inserts can vary in height depending on the boot and sole. That's why I was asking for the measurement to the bottom of the toe cup, which is used in ski mode, unlike the pin inserts in the boot. That measurement is what I believe will determine the angle of the boot and eliminate variables soles can introduce. If I am wrong on this please let me know. I've not dealt with something like this before.
Thanks again for your efforts.

I'm measuring to the pins of the boot toe because Tecton and Kingpin hold the Vulcan at the toe pins so am trying to measure apples to apples. Ie I am giving a number for how much delta there is between toe and heel when a boot is inserted into the toepiece and heelpiece of all those bindings when the boot/binding combo is in ski mode. There's a bit more ramp in the SHIFT then Tecton or Kingpin.

[Pat]

I'm measuring to the pins of the boot toe because Tecton and Kingpin hold the Vulcan at the toe pins so am trying to measure apples to apples. Ie I am giving a number for how much delta there is between toe and heel when a boot is inserted into the toepiece and heelpiece of all those bindings when the boot/binding combo is in ski mode. There's a bit more ramp in the SHIFT then Tecton or Kingpin.

Ahhh...that makes sense. Now I understand why you did that. My confusion stemmed from that being the answer to a question I didn't ask. But certainly that is good information to have for others maggots.
Carry on...

[margotron]

Anyone in here own the tecton and still want the shift?


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[jacob_dbu]

Anyone in here own the tecton and still want the shift?


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Yes.

[grinch]

Yes.

Whether they know it or not I suspect

[TahoeJ]

Anyone in here own the tecton and still want the shift?


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Yes, but as a supplement not a replacement. Shift sounds perfect for a heavier side country setup that would get skied inbounds most of the time. Like Guardians but not 100 pounds. Pretty happy so far with tectons for my straight touring days.

[steveski]

Anyone in here own the tecton and still want the shift?


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This place has gear whore reputation to maintain.

[anotherVTskibum]

Anyone in here own the tecton and still want the shift?

Yes. I don't think I'll bother swapping for the Shift on the skis that currently have Tecton, but I've got two pairs of skis that are primarily in-bounds skis that could (theoretically) see some touring use, particularly for sidecountry or sled skiing. One pair is my go-to all-mountain skis when I'm coaching, currently running STH14s (also the skis I bring to races, in case we happen to end up with a canceled race). No f'ing way am I dealing with any current tech binding for skis I need to be able to get into and out of quickly and repeatedly (one place the Tectons fall flat when compared to an alpine binding).

The other pair is a pair of powder skis (Volkl Kuro) which currently have Beasts; I'm not sure if I'm motivated to redrill or not, but I'd rather have Shifts on those. Heck, I'd rather have Tectons, too, but that's not enough of an improvement to make me seriously consider redrilling.

[SupreChicken]

Anyone in here own the tecton and still want the shift?


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Yes

[margotron]

Yes. I don't think I'll bother swapping for the Shift on the skis that currently have Tecton, but I've got two pairs of skis that are primarily in-bounds skis that could (theoretically) see some touring use, particularly for sidecountry or sled skiing. One pair is my go-to all-mountain skis when I'm coaching, currently running STH14s (also the skis I bring to races, in case we happen to end up with a canceled race). No f'ing way am I dealing with any current tech binding for skis I need to be able to get into and out of quickly and repeatedly (one place the Tectons fall flat when compared to an alpine binding).

The other pair is a pair of powder skis (Volkl Kuro) which currently have Beasts; I'm not sure if I'm motivated to redrill or not, but I'd rather have Shifts on those. Heck, I'd rather have Tectons, too, but that's not enough of an improvement to make me seriously consider redrilling.

Would it be fair to say you're approaching this from the direction that you want to add slackcountry versatility to inbound setups rather than add inbound versatility to backcountry setups?


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