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    These days compared to when? 5 pound (shaped) skis have always been considered heavy. Granted, those are wider and probably weigh the same as a lot of 90mm skis in early 2000's, I would guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Can't understand any of that video, but did they mention the weight? If they kept it heavy, that could be an awesome ski.
    Not mentioned in that video but another unconfirmed source quoted a mere 3.9 kg for the pair in the 183 length. The titanal layers are reported to cover about 120 cm of the skis' length, centered under foot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoooL View Post
    Not mentioned in that video but another unconfirmed source quoted a mere 3.9 kg for the pair in the 183 length. The titanal layers are reported to cover about 120 cm of the skis' length, centered under foot.
    Damn it. That's what I was afraid of.

    The category of decently stiff, heavy, metal infused skis that are ~105 - 110mm is tiny right now. And its even smaller if you want a reasonably long radius. Options are Cochise, Monster, Invictus, ....

    My Cochises died, so I've been looking for a replacement. In the mean time, I've been back on my old XXL's. I'd forgotten how fucking awesome that ski is. I'd kill for an XXL that's identical in every way, just with a tweaked tip shape and some reasonable early rise.

    But every goddamn company is making their skis lighter, giving them more sidecut, removing the metal, and basically just creating chattery shit sticks that deflect and bounce around at any speed over 8mph. Ever since Rossi made a killing on the Soul 7, every company has been trying to capture a slice of that pie. But how many fucking options does the gaping majority really need? There's more stiff, heavy, straight chargers in the fat pow ski category than there are in the mid fat daily driver category, which is ridiculous. Comp skis are fun, but not every day's a pow day, and I want something heavy and damp, and a bit narrower for blasting through crud.

    Hopefully someone, somewhere will pull their head out of their ass and build a real ski again. There's a reason there's like 10 different "what's an xxl replacement" threads on this forum, and the industry is rapidly moving towards a situation where there isn't a single ski that's even close. That's an underserved demographic.

    /rant

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Damn it. That's what I was afraid of.

    The category of decently stiff, heavy, metal infused skis that are ~105 - 110mm is tiny right now. And its even smaller if you want a reasonably long radius. Options are Cochise, Monster, Invictus, ....

    My Cochises died, so I've been looking for a replacement. In the mean time, I've been back on my old XXL's. I'd forgotten how fucking awesome that ski is. I'd kill for an XXL that's identical in every way, just with a tweaked tip shape and some reasonable early rise.

    But every goddamn company is making their skis lighter, giving them more sidecut, removing the metal, and basically just creating chattery shit sticks that deflect and bounce around at any speed over 8mph. Ever since Rossi made a killing on the Soul 7, every company has been trying to capture a slice of that pie. But how many fucking options does the gaping majority really need? There's more stiff, heavy, straight chargers in the fat pow ski category than there are in the mid fat daily driver category, which is ridiculous. Comp skis are fun, but not every day's a pow day, and I want something heavy and damp, and a bit narrower for blasting through crud.

    Hopefully someone, somewhere will pull their head out of their ass and build a real ski again. There's a reason there's like 10 different "what's an xxl replacement" threads on this forum, and the industry is rapidly moving towards a situation where there isn't a single ski that's even close. That's an underserved demographic.

    /rant

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    I hear ya, yet apparently we aren't buying enough monsters, QLab's etc, cause companies keep dropping them after a season or two.
    Maybe, just maybe, TGR isn't a representative sample of the skiing population?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smooth operator View Post
    I hear ya, yet apparently we aren't buying enough monsters, QLab's etc, cause companies keep dropping them after a season or two.
    Maybe, just maybe, TGR isn't a representative sample of the skiing population?
    Probably, but I'd point out that
    1) lots of companies still make burly skis in the ~115mm+ category. Surely the market for those skis is even smaller than a 105mm daily driver

    2) blizzard seems to do well with the cochise - I see them all over the place

    and

    3) companies are trying to have their cake and eat it too. They're dumbing down their chargers. Which just makes a ski that isn't as accessible as something like a soul 7, and isn't as capable as it could be, so you end up with something that sucks for everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Damn it. That's what I was afraid of.

    The category of decently stiff, heavy, metal infused skis that are ~105 - 110mm is tiny right now. And its even smaller if you want a reasonably long radius. Options are Cochise, Monster, Invictus, ....

    My Cochises died, so I've been looking for a replacement. In the mean time, I've been back on my old XXL's. I'd forgotten how fucking awesome that ski is. I'd kill for an XXL that's identical in every way, just with a tweaked tip shape and some reasonable early rise.

    But every goddamn company is making their skis lighter, giving them more sidecut, removing the metal, and basically just creating chattery shit sticks that deflect and bounce around at any speed over 8mph. Ever since Rossi made a killing on the Soul 7, every company has been trying to capture a slice of that pie. But how many fucking options does the gaping majority really need? There's more stiff, heavy, straight chargers in the fat pow ski category than there are in the mid fat daily driver category, which is ridiculous. Comp skis are fun, but not every day's a pow day, and I want something heavy and damp, and a bit narrower for blasting through crud.

    Hopefully someone, somewhere will pull their head out of their ass and build a real ski again. There's a reason there's like 10 different "what's an xxl replacement" threads on this forum, and the industry is rapidly moving towards a situation where there isn't a single ski that's even close. That's an underserved demographic.

    /rant
    I spent a few seasons on the OG Cochise. Get yourself some Wren 108's and thank me later. They're not light, and are better in powder.

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    I liked the OG Cochise because it was like a slightly narrower katana. I like the full rocker even though it was very slight. I have the confession now and wish they still made the katana. But I like slarvier skis. Havent tried the newer cochises, but i assume its the same as the confession is to the katana in terms of profile and how it skis. Gonna scour ebay for OG cochises in 185. I own the 191 carbon V Werks Katana for backcountry and have used them at the resort a couple times and they are way too light. Bring back the metal laminate skis with full, slight, rocker

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    Quote Originally Posted by TahoeJ View Post
    I spent a few seasons on the OG Cochise. Get yourself some Wren 108's and thank me later. They're not light, and are better in powder.
    Yeah, those are pretty much at the top of my "to try" list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Damn it. That's what I was afraid of.

    The category of decently stiff, heavy, metal infused skis that are ~105 - 110mm is tiny right now. And its even smaller if you want a reasonably long radius. Options are Cochise, Monster, Invictus, ....

    My Cochises died, so I've been looking for a replacement. In the mean time, I've been back on my old XXL's. I'd forgotten how fucking awesome that ski is. I'd kill for an XXL that's identical in every way, just with a tweaked tip shape and some reasonable early rise.

    But every goddamn company is making their skis lighter, giving them more sidecut, removing the metal, and basically just creating chattery shit sticks that deflect and bounce around at any speed over 8mph. Ever since Rossi made a killing on the Soul 7, every company has been trying to capture a slice of that pie. But how many fucking options does the gaping majority really need? There's more stiff, heavy, straight chargers in the fat pow ski category than there are in the mid fat daily driver category, which is ridiculous. Comp skis are fun, but not every day's a pow day, and I want something heavy and damp, and a bit narrower for blasting through crud.

    Hopefully someone, somewhere will pull their head out of their ass and build a real ski again. There's a reason there's like 10 different "what's an xxl replacement" threads on this forum, and the industry is rapidly moving towards a situation where there isn't a single ski that's even close. That's an underserved demographic.

    /rant

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    Well, there is the Down SD 105 , only in 202 cm length for now. I don't know what the odds are that we'll ever see it in shorter length...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoooL View Post
    Well, there is the Down SD 105 , only in 202 cm length for now. I don't know what the odds are that we'll ever see it in shorter length...
    The SD105 2018 is neither heavy (2400g per ski) nor specially damp. But it has a very nice shape (nice tip, very long radius) allowing to ski really fast in not-too-hard snow. I prefer Head Monster, LPR105 or FT10Pro to blast through crud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toast2266 View Post
    Damn it. That's what I was afraid of.

    The category of decently stiff, heavy, metal infused skis that are ~105 - 110mm is tiny right now. And its even smaller if you want a reasonably long radius. Options are Cochise, Monster, Invictus, ....

    My Cochises died, so I've been looking for a replacement. In the mean time, I've been back on my old XXL's. I'd forgotten how fucking awesome that ski is. I'd kill for an XXL that's identical in every way, just with a tweaked tip shape and some reasonable early rise.

    But every goddamn company is making their skis lighter, giving them more sidecut, removing the metal, and basically just creating chattery shit sticks that deflect and bounce around at any speed over 8mph. Ever since Rossi made a killing on the Soul 7, every company has been trying to capture a slice of that pie. But how many fucking options does the gaping majority really need? There's more stiff, heavy, straight chargers in the fat pow ski category than there are in the mid fat daily driver category, which is ridiculous. Comp skis are fun, but not every day's a pow day, and I want something heavy and damp, and a bit narrower for blasting through crud.

    Hopefully someone, somewhere will pull their head out of their ass and build a real ski again. There's a reason there's like 10 different "what's an xxl replacement" threads on this forum, and the industry is rapidly moving towards a situation where there isn't a single ski that's even close. That's an underserved demographic.

    /rant

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    gear rumors 18/19

    Not complaining about companies doing limited runs of their iconic chargers from time to time like Blizzard with the OG Bodacious or Dynastar with the LPR 105. Allows to refill the quiver for many years to come. I wish Völkl would do the same with the OG Katanas.
    BTW, is Bodacious gone for the next year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    Not complaining about companies doing limited runs of their iconic chargers from time to time like Blizzard with the OG Bodacious or Dynastar with the LPR 105. Allows to refill the quiver for many years to come. I wish Völkl would do the same with the OG Katanas.
    BTW, is Bodacious gone for the next year?
    I'm pretty sure it was in the catalog. Could be wrong however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roQer View Post
    Not complaining about companies doing limited runs of their iconic chargers from time to time like Blizzard with the OG Bodacious or Dynastar with the LPR 105. Allows to refill the quiver for many years to come. I wish Völkl would do the same with the OG Katanas.
    BTW, is Bodacious gone for the next year?
    I saw it at in a few of the sia photos

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    They just need to do a OG Cochise repress as well. No reason to remake a ski that works.
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    18/19 Moment Skis preview...

    Bibby is now known as the Wildcat. Commander is a new series of chargers (have not been on them yet). Deathwish is a bit stiffer in tip and tail (tried these and loved them.)

    http://www.mmntskis.com/

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    Quote Originally Posted by skier666 View Post
    18/19 Moment Skis preview...

    Bibby is now known as the Wildcat.

    http://www.mmntskis.com/
    Long live Wildcat.

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    Is the Commander a return of the old Belefonte? Sept with a little bit-o-metal?

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    FYI, got just a little bit of time on the new Liberty V92 at this weeks WWSRA demo at Mission. Could this be a possible substitute for the M3 Mantra??? Trying to get more time on them in the near future and will file a report if I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skier666 View Post
    18/19 Moment Skis preview...

    Bibby is now known as the Wildcat. Commander is a new series of chargers (have not been on them yet). Deathwish is a bit stiffer in tip and tail (tried these and loved them.)

    http://www.mmntskis.com/
    Wheres the commander 118? The governor was their best ski IMO..

    Also, no 190+ lengths on freeride skis? Moments 188 is more like 186.


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    That's not all the skis for 18/19...

    Deathwish, Wildcat, Wildcat Tour come in a 190...

    Pretty sure you can always order and older mold...such as the Comi, Governor etc. Just give them a shout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skier666 View Post
    Pretty sure you can always order and older mold...such as the Comi, Governor etc. Just give them a shout.
    I have been waiting 7 years for a 1900 gram per ski Bibby Tour in 110 waist 186-188 length (b/c 110 bibby tour > 106 deathwish tour).

    I may begrudingly purchase a meridian tour since I'm sure it's dope, but I'd like some camber for the spring.

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    i must admit to having pretty much decided to go with the biddy tour and their 106 tour ski, and then - due to being somewhat underwhelmed by Moments correspondance - going with on3p instead. Kinda glad i did. Not because i think the Moments are any less of a ski - they're not - but for ditching the weight focus on my resort/touring combo skis once and for all will leave me happier in the long run i think. I am sure i will get some bibbys (or whatever they are called) sooner or later though That being said, i truly love my current quiver of on3ps and am quite excited for their 2018/19 range - things are looking good ( i won't be getting any of them having completed my perfect quiver )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Thomas View Post
    FYI, got just a little bit of time on the new Liberty V92 at this weeks WWSRA demo at Mission. Could this be a possible substitute for the M3 Mantra??? Trying to get more time on them in the near future and will file a report if I do.
    Interesting....I got on the 76 and 82 and were duly impressed with the shapes. I plan on getting 92 at Snowbasin. The 76 is a fun ski and a width that most do not expect from a company like Liberty but they nailed it.
    Click. Point. Chute.

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    Phil,

    As it was described to me the Liberty V models get progressively more burly as you go up in waist width (i.e. the 92 is relatively more aggressive than the 82) They only had the 179 length available (only a couple of 186's had been pressed) so I was a little worried that I would overpower the ski (5'11" 210lb). I mostly end up on the longest lengths of a ski. This 179 V92, however, was just about perfect for me. Absolutely railed on the bulletproof at speed and didn't at all notice any of the pushed up piles. For the given, refrozen, shitty, bulletproof conditions the V92 was hands down the best ski I tried at the Mission demo. From what I can tell from just a few runs on each the V92 179 is a lot more ski than the M5 Mantra 177. Need to try both in a wider variety of conditions. So, the V92 is definitely worth investigating further. You guys on the east coast need to have this V series on your radar.

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