PSA: Mount your own fucking skis.

[3PinGrin]

^Most skis with metal require a 4.1mm bit. Tapping is necessary for all skis with a metal layer, and is advisable for all skis regardless of construction.

I get that, due to the volcano effect. But I don't understand tapping all the way down. I haven't done that in 20+ years of mounting my own bindings, but maybe I am doing it wrong? I never tap holes for mounting heavy objects in wall studs and the concept seems the same except for the topsheet on a ski.

[Bobcat Sig]

I fucking mounted these bad boys last night. And I did it without tapping or spinners.

[nyskirat]

First time mounting went well, right up until I went to add some depth to a hole and went through the base.

Not sure if it's fixable, anyone got an extra Steeple 102?

[XXX-er]

just melt a little ptex in the hole and yer good

you shoudl have used my wine bottle method

[Norseman]

[dschane]

Been there, done that with a 1/4" bit, totally fixable. I filled the hole with a piece of hardwood dowel. Epoxied one side to the topsheet and ptexed the base. Skis great.

[nyskirat]

Been there, done that with a 1/4" bit, totally fixable. I filled the hole with a piece of hardwood dowel. Epoxied one side to the topsheet and ptexed the base. Skis great.

Assuming you moved the mount point?

My thought is do this, redrill the heel mount and just use the heel track (thank god it's a Kingpin) to make it work.

I'll have some nice Swiss cheese holes but it's life.

I'll call up my local shop and see if they can give me a hand with this.

And while I'm at it order some new drill collars. The one I had is going in the trash. Not only is it a PITA to put on due to its stripped screw, it failed me here.

[Timberridge]

Instead of mucking around with slipping drill collars (they all slip at some point) just buy a binding screw drill bit...they're $15.

[NW_SKIER]

Instead of mucking around with slipping drill collars (they all slip at some point) just buy a binding screw drill bit...they're $15.

This. I like not ever having to worry about hole depth. Unless it's sex. Then you go as deep as you can. Alright

[N1CK.]

The stepped drill bit is a no brainer.

Did my first set of BF inserts last night. GPOs with Ions, which will be shared with other skis.
Lightly test fitted the bindings before the epoxy was cured and all screws are inline with the inserts.

The recommended 10mm screws seem short though. They give me 4+mm of thread engagement I bet I could get a 12mm in there without bottoming

[Kopi_Red]

[Timberridge]

This. I like not ever having to worry about hole depth. Unless it's sex. Then you go as deep as you can. Alright

Just be careful, you never want to come out the other side.

[nyskirat]

Instead of mucking around with slipping drill collars (they all slip at some point) just buy a binding screw drill bit...they're $15.

I have one, the one from BF. But even stepped drill bits are not immune to user error (as I learned)

[XXX-er]

Assuming you moved the mount point?

My thought is do this, redrill the heel mount and just use the heel track (thank god it's a Kingpin) to make it work.

I'll have some nice Swiss cheese holes but it's life.

I'll call up my local shop and see if they can give me a hand with this.

And while I'm at it order some new drill collars. The one I had is going in the trash. Not only is it a PITA to put on due to its stripped screw, it failed me here.

Collars and ductape on the bit all slip and apparently a stepped bit wouldn't have prevented this fuck up

SO next time buy a bottle of wine

drink the wine, hopefully you get drunk/mebe laid but now you should wait one day

drill a hole thru the cork

move the bit up and down in the chuck til you get the amount you want sticking out test drill if you want,

when (not if) the bit slips it just doesn't drill deep enough, also you can steady the sharp end of the drill by holding onto the cork, and

as for the fix just mount the binding using that same hole, turn the ski over epoxy a little piece of dowel or SFT in the hole and fill the hole with p-tex ... it will probably be invisible

[Timberridge]

^^^ I knew the cork post was coming

FYI. You really can't drill a hole thru the ski with the Wintersteiger bits...unless you are a gorilla. The stop is 7mm or 9mm depending on the bit you buy, and it chamfers the top of the hole. I also think with the taper it reduces the chances of a spinner.

[Norseman]

Agreed, stepped bits are the ideal tool. Collars are cheapo but usually work and can be found at Walmart.

And yeah, must be the fourth time the wine bottle theory has been put forth? I think I have a couple repeats, too; mild apologies.

Carry on.

[XXX-er]

I will take your word for it cuz I don't have a stepped bit but apparently buddy managed to

I use a cork because its about the right length to leave some bit and I have lots of them

but you could also use a piece of 2x4 or wood that is about as thick

Some hard wood would also make for a more perpendicular to the ski hole

but yeah you don't need a stepped bit which in this instance apparently fucked up somehow and you don't need paper templates ...which get fucked up all the time

[Dee Hubbs]

Or you could use nails...

This customer tried to mount his own skis and didn't use a collar.
The nails were placed in the holes by the shop techs to properly show all the holes for the photo.
Photo (and repair) curtesy of Vancouver Ski & Board Service.

[XXX-er]

Agreed, stepped bits are the ideal tool. Collars are cheapo but usually work and can be found at Walmart.

And yeah, must be the fourth time the wine bottle theory has been put forth? I think I have a couple repeats, too; mild apologies.

Carry on.

yeah one must be ratehr pedantic on TGR cuz none of these fucking dentists read, they think just cuz they are ok in someones mouth a ski should be no problem eh?

"usually work" hmmmmm, what kind of an engineer are you?

if you wrap yer cock in saran wrap instead of buying condoms that will "usually work" eh?

[Timberridge]

Or you could use nails...

This customer tried to mount his own skis and didn't use a collar.
The nails were placed in the holes by the shop techs to properly show all the holes for the photo.
Photo (and repair) curtesy of Vancouver Ski & Board Service.

Homemade crampons.

I'm guessing the drill press crowd will probably need a nail gun to get the nails straight?

[Bobcat Sig]

The nails ... JFC!!

Yah, stepped bits FTW. Really hard to fuck that up. Used that on my recently posted Rens. Worked like a charmed and chamfered bit is a nice bonus. So fresh and so clean, clean.

[nyskirat]

^^^ I knew the cork post was coming

FYI. You really can't drill a hole thru the ski with the Wintersteiger bits...unless you are a gorilla. The stop is 7mm or 9mm depending on the bit you buy, and it chamfers the top of the hole. I also think with the taper it reduces the chances of a spinner.

I guess I'll have to take a look at the Wintersteiger bits if I need a new one any time soon

Assuming they work for inserts

[Meadow Skipper]

Homemade crampons.

I'm guessing the drill press crowd will probably need a nail gun to get the nails straight?

Hey! Save that snark for the wine cork dude - I just sat here all smug and shit and didn't post a thing.

However...I coulda.

[detrusor]

And you'll likely never wear out a bit. Mine are sharp and 13 years old. In the shop sure but home?

[dschane]

Assuming you moved the mount point?

My thought is do this, redrill the heel mount and just use the heel track (thank god it's a Kingpin) to make it work.

I'll have some nice Swiss cheese holes but it's life.

I actually think I re-used the hole. That was two years ago and the skis are still chugging along. I used Binding Freedom inserts, but I can verify that I used the same hole later tonight.

If the collar doesn't have two inset screws, it's close to worthless. But, I agree that the stepped bits are worth every penny and won't go through the ski, EXCEPT the 1/4" stepped bit that was specially made for inserts. The shoulder-to-bit drop is very, very minor and it's possible to go through the ski -- that's what happened to me. I could have been more careful, sure, but that was a first and I didn't think I had the manchops to make that happen.