Tammy Wynette cannot be reached for help-Divorce advice

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So who will pay the lawyer bills and restitution for the tax fraud on the ski condo when the contract expires?

WTF are you going on about? A marriage is a contract and not all of them involve a promise of forever. There is no tax fraud if people enter into a marriage with a contract(prenup). This happens all the time.

I'm not miserable, I'm extremely happy. I have a beautiful partner and great kids. My ex and I get along and agree on parenting issues. Don't assume because you're miserable and don't get the world and relationships that everyone else is miserable too.

[XXX-er]

I never said anyone HAS to do anything. I said if ypu stand up and promise and vow forever to someone in front of your family and friends it should have meaning and not be easy to undue because it's breaking a huge promise.

I probably won't get married, ever. I don't have to and neither do you.

Have whatever partnership you want. A wedding that makes you married is where you promise forever and always.

Don't like it? Don't do it.

What it meant was a promise forever at the time but down the road as a wise man perhaps a man for his time and place once said... new shit has come to light

https://ca.search.yahoo.com/search?f...+come+to+light

maybe buddy or budette has drug, alcohol, anger, maybe they fight, maybe they lie, maybe can't hold a job, pick your reason cuz around half of marriages fail

the tradgedy is not that a marrige fails, its the participants not being able to get past the failure and so they live that forever

Perhaps even more tragic would be people watching who can't get over someone elses failure?

[liv2ski]

WTF are you going on about?

She can't let go that I have an inclination to give her and Uncle Sam the finger and do what I feel is in my best interest. Hopefully she doesn't turn me in and have the IRS go all Wesley Snipes on my ass

[Trashcan]

Okay Mtgirl I will give you this. I got divorced last summer a long with other shit in my life (see liver thread). We were married for 22 years and have been together a lot longer that. We are both 49 years old and simply grew apart on life from what started way back when. We have 2 kids and I talk to my ex multiple times daily about what we are doing for the kids are doing daily (school, practices, meals etc.).
We are both much happier and the kids are now doing great.
Not sure how old you are but thing change as you go through life. Frankly, it would suck and be boring if it didn't.

[wyeaster]

it's amazing how much more peaceful my mind became when i chose not to respond to everything that irritates me for whatever reason. then i started to realize that i didn't really care enough about the same old things that irritated me to even be irritated because people are people they only change themselves. then after a while, i started thinking about what i was doing and how fucking miserable it probably made everybody around me, regardless of my good intentions and personal anguish. and now, i realize if i talk less and listen more, life is a lot easier and i'm a lot better at making decisions. and i don't make everybody else miserable with my misery. it's a work in progress.

[::: :::]

I support both marriage equality and that marriage is a big life long commitment.

If you want to have a different kind of relationship, go for it. I don't care. I'm not judging you. Get a divorce if you want, just don't kid yourself that you aren't breaking a vow. Make it ok with the person you vowed that to... no one else's business, really.

you're imposing your idea of marriage on others
you are being insistent and repeating it for emphasis

even ignoring the gender portion of it, your idea of marriage is different than that of many cultures in the world and, if you can't accept that as a premise, there's not much that internet conversation will do to shift your stance on the discussion in this thread




you say

I don't care. I'm not judging you.

but you do and you are

[::: :::]

The vows say for better or worse, til death do us part!

is that what they say in non-english, non-christian marriages?

[Trashcan]

Okay question again, how old are you?

When two people have been together for MANY years and both make a mutual decision that the marriage is no longer working as to remain together and both are breaking a vow I do not understand what the issue is. If it is your religious belief then fine. That is your issue and no problem as I understand that.
A lot of stuff happens as you go through life, good and bad. Sometimes you have to do what is best for all and put your self last if it better for all involved in the future.

One of the huge reasons people were against marriage equality is because they felt it was a break down of marriage...ie married. You do it for life. it means something. I support both marriage equality and that marriage is a big life long commitment.

If you want to have a different kind of relationship, go for it. I don't care. I'm not judging you. Get a divorce if you want, just don't kid yourself that you aren't breaking a vow. Make it ok with the person you vowed that to... no one else's business, really.

Don't expect there not to be hurt involved, though..

If you are so childish to call me names because I disagree, fuck off. I didn't ruin this thread. I didn't resort to flaming name calling. You children did.

[wyeaster]

Do you still rent out your basement, spooky..?

no, why would you ask except to be an asshole and apparently you like google. which is fine, i knew that there are people like you when i put the newspaper story up.

now it's out there. gold star for you.

[Timberridge]

Fuck you all all and your miserable lives. At least I'm honest. Most of you are just as fucked up as me if not more, you just hide it here.

*getting down on one knee*

"Mtngirl, would you do the honor of marrying me?"

[PNWbrit]

*getting down on one knee*

"Mtngirl, would you do the honor of marrying me?"

AKPM is getting a boner right now.

[iceman]

You mean if pedoherp wanted to marry you?

haha, I meant if Patrick proposed to me with a fish and ring but that would probably work too.

[iceman]

time to figure out the ignore function again.

Right? I tried a couple weeks back, it's not simple to do.

[Timberridge]

Can you use a jaw tag as a ring or is that a violation of some Fish and Game code?

[wyeaster]

Right? I tried a couple weeks back, it's not simple to do.

honestly, i read some shit and it makes me feel worse about how i was here for so long. hopefully, some of it has some context now but it doesn't make it any better. i think i reserved my hostility mostly for politics and a general lack of humanity but still, constant, overbearing negativity sucks for everybody. i know it sucks most for the sufferer, but we all have to survive and i'm cutting loose all the dead weight. i don't have time or energy for doing more offering my best wishes and moral support and moving on. i'm sorry for all the people who suffer, including the person i've loved more and longer than anybody in my life, but i have to save myself to save my son.

[wyeaster]

i will also say that since mtngirl took it upon herself to raise the issue, we cared enough to try to help somebody who was obviously odd and we live close to a place that was important to this person. we tried to help. we were also trying to help ourselves because i can't work and we were encouraged by various county people to do so. and in return we were harassed for years and my wife terrorized to the point we installed an alarm on the house and her employers were concerned for her safety, obviously from him, not me, despite his fantasies. unfortunately, i am an idiot in many ways and regularly let heart rule head and i did not do my due diligence.

i would prefer he remain unnamed so that we don't have to continue to deal with more after we've all moved on.

[My Pet Powder Goat]

honestly, i read some shit and it makes me feel worse about how i was here for so long. hopefully, some of it has some context now but it doesn't make it any better. i think i reserved my hostility mostly for politics and a general lack of humanity but still, constant, overbearing negativity sucks for everybody. i know it sucks most for the sufferer, but we all have to survive and i'm cutting loose all the dead weight. i don't have time or energy for doing more offering my best wishes and moral support and moving on. i'm sorry for all the people who suffer, including the person i've loved more and longer than anybody in my life, but i have to save myself to save my son.

Fkna man! Glad you realize how unhappy you were for all those years and are taking the steps to move forward; You're like a totally different person!
Stoked for you, and truely glad you've found some peace.

[TWINS]

regardless of my good intentions and personal anguish. and now, i realize if i talk less and listen more, life is a lot easier and i'm a lot better at making decisions. and i don't make everybody else miserable with my misery. it's a work in progress.

If you are around people who like to take control then yes it is easier to stay quiet and go along for the ride sometimes.
But even that shit gets old after awhile. I deal with it "me" daily.
I have been to a few weddings where the vows did not mention any of the "sicker/better/ death" promises.
We`were married in a Catholic Church so we did have all that and more. But its not a requirement for a marriage certificate.
We are in 2 contracts.
1 with the Catholic Church.
1 with the State of California.
We had 2 wedding days and observe the church wedding as our anniversary.
The state contract is just that.....a contract

[wyeaster]

just to clarify, i don't blame anybody. as i said in the article, i can't imagine another woman staying with me this long and i'm sure with what people here have read that i've shared over time most of you couldn't either. my situation is more about finally recognizing the full magnitude of devastation the shooting inflicted on my life. the article started a lot of it because people who read it tried to help and most people have ridiculed me, not offered help. now that i am able to see things with a little separation because of the existence of my son, i realize that it is not possible for me to coexist with somebody who does not believe ptsd is real and has therefore told me i've failing for the past 17 years. it's not possible or fair and whether it's cultural ignorance or a lack of compassion, i have to save my energy and my self to last as long as i can with the best possible mindset for my son. i can't keep defending or explaining anymore.

[wyeaster]

If you are around people who like to take control then yes it is easier to stay quiet and go along for the ride sometimes.
But even that shit gets old after awhile. I deal with it "me" daily.
I have been to a few weddings where the vows did not mention any of the "sicker/better/ death" promises.
We`were married in a Catholic Church so we did have all that and more. But its not a requirement for a marriage certificate.
We are in 2 contracts.
1 with the Catholic Church.
1 with the State of California.
We had 2 wedding days and observe the church wedding as our anniversary.
The state contract is just that.....a contract

i was talking about mtngirl having to keep posting negativity. i used to do that.

[PNWbrit]

Can someone PM Dunf and get him to set up a mental health forum for these two...

[wyeaster]

Can someone PM Dunf and get him to set up a mental health forum for these two...

it will be unfortunate if you're referring to me

[stfu&gbtw]

it will be unfortunate if you're referring to me

What happened to you just being back so you can post about your golf game?

[PNWbrit]

it will be unfortunate if you're referring to me

Whatever spook.

[wyeaster]

this is the divorce thread. i've seen people share much more bile and personal than i did. i'm not sure what the problem is. i also felt compelled to respond to the rental question so i could clarify that i have no doubts about the kind of person mtngirl is. a minor drift but still in context.

other than my personal struggles, i think i've kept it to golf and snow and life and my son. no polyass. so that's pretty much what i said i would do. odd that anybody would object discussing the individual psychology of separating instead only bitterness or frustration of losing enormous assets that some folks would never dream about. sometimes people need to hear other peoples' words to see the same thing differently. sometimes i need to see my own words to see things differently.