Does anyone love the dynafits ramp angle?

[LeeLau]

on Comforts, 1/4" plastic, cut & drill, check screws after first climb/ski. I just added toe shims + 2deg cant TSO to both skis and finally can find my inside edges on AT like on alpine, and standing & not sitting on shitter any more. toe shim is good unless you like skiing in a crouch. now I enjoy my AT gear enough to whine less about lift ticket $$. part of that is thanks to your Spectre review, I got a pair. better than Titans all around.

I found some Walmart plastic cutting boards that'd do the trick. Just too lazy to finish the job.

[creaky fossil]

I found some Walmart plastic cutting boards that'd do the trick. Just too lazy to finish the job.

just do a TechTalk TR of the project, you know The Toe wants some face time.

Talking about being white and nerdy, I measured the net ramp angle on my bc setup, ft radicals shimmed with 7mm, and bd factor mx.boots,
And I compared it with one of my alpine setups, salomon 914 with lange rx 130 boots.
I measured the actual angle to floor of the boot board.

At: 9 degrees
Alpine: 5 degrees.

This is a noticeable difference when I ski and switch between the two.

But I can ski both, and they don't feel bad, just notice the difference.

yeah, but how "noticeable" is the difference when there's no shim under the Dynafit toe?

[rod9301]

No question, without the toe shim, which was on my old pair of skis, it was noticeable, and I felt my quads get more of a workout, especially on long traverses.

[altacoup]

Just put shims on my tlt speed, which have fairly good delta angle compared to newer dynafit designs with brakes. What a huge difference! Can't believe it took me soo long to do. Most of the weirdness of the tech system is unnoticeable once the binging has a better ramp angle. If you normally ski an alpine setup and only use tech to tour on this is a must.

[hoarhey]

interesting finding for me.
i have skied dynafit verticals with dynafit titans and now mercuries, and have managed with the total effective ramp angle

However with my 175 Praxis GPOS, I didn't like the ramp angle with the mercuries and the verticals, even mounted 1.5 cm behind the dimple.
Maybe it was the shorter radius of the skis and increased tip pressure, but I had a B&D 6 mm toe shim and, voila, loving the skis for backcountry snow of all depths.

my other skis mounted with dynafits are 177 Praxis Protests and 173 grand tetons.

5'8"
175 lbs

[srsosbso]

I just remounted some vertical STs on PMGear Bros with the 6mm B&D toe shim. Definitely prefer the reduced ramp angle on the down. Major improvement. The only down side is that I have to use the highest walk mode (ie. the dreaded volcano) more often which is for me is a pain to get in and out of with the old ski pole in the rotating heelpiece system. I suck at that. Still totally worth it though.

[Subscapularis]

Anyone know if the B&D shims are compatible with the radical 2.0?

[jrawk]

I just installed the 7mm toe shim from Binding Freedom (which were on half price) under a pair of verticals. Mounted to renegades, using vulcans. It makes the ramp angle much more tolerable, doesn't feel like I'm squatting over a hole in the ground trying to take a shit while I ski anymore. Would still prefer a more neutral ramp delta but I guess I need to buy a newer generation binding for that.

[PNWbrit]

I am having to get used to flatter ramp of ions after many years of only skiing dynafits.

They seem really nice otherwise though..

[meter-man]

Anyone know if the B&D shims are compatible with the radical 2.0?

Just email B&D - they are super helpful.

[PNWbrit]

Anyone know if the B&D shims are compatible with the radical 2.0?

Radical 2.0 is different toe mount than Radical.

[Kevo]

I use binding freedom Dynalook swap plates to go back and forth between pivots and FT12s. I really, really hate the ramp angle on the FT12s. Makes my favorite ski feel completely different and I ski way worse.

Anyone have any thoughts on adding a shim on top of the existing binding freedom plate? Woukd the stack height be an issue? Where could I find the right screws to go into the swap plate?

Also, do newer dynafit bindings have less ramp angle? It might be easier to just sell the FT12s and buy something else, assuming it can work in my binding freedom plate.

[Quadzilla]

I use binding freedom Dynalook swap plates to go back and forth between pivots and FT12s. I really, really hate the ramp angle on the FT12s. Makes my favorite ski feel completely different and I ski way worse.

Anyone have any thoughts on adding a shim on top of the existing binding freedom plate? Woukd the stack height be an issue? Where could I find the right screws to go into the swap plate?

Also, do newer dynafit bindings have less ramp angle? It might be easier to just sell the FT12s and buy something else, assuming it can work in my binding freedom plate.

Just something to remember, increasing the toe height by a fair amount will reduce the amount of heel lift when using the climb bales. So, kinda counter productive to slightly improve the downhill feel for a decrease in climb ability. For me, I don't want to lose any uphill but, I did add stock ST shims to all my Speed Radical toes. I did add the Nubbins. downhill ability may be better, uphill is still on the marginal side but doable. My wife who switched as well, Downhill ability improvement, huge. uphill with Nubbins still doable. Her smaller foot really needed the toe shim.

Anyway, IMO, don't go too tall with the toes shims......... Why have a light tour capable rig and can't climb as well as your partners.

[creaky fossil]

Just something to remember, increasing the toe height by a fair amount will reduce the amount of heel lift when using the climb bales. So, kinda counter productive to slightly improve the downhill feel for a decrease in climb ability. For me, I don't want to lose any uphill but, I did add stock ST shims to all my Speed Radical toes. I did add the Nubbins. downhill ability may be better, uphill is still on the marginal side but doable. My wife who switched as well, Downhill ability improvement, huge. uphill with Nubbins still doable. Her smaller foot really needed the toe shim.

Anyway, IMO, don't go too tall with the toes shims......... Why have a light tour capable rig and can't climb as well as your partners.

One thing I wonder about is for TLT/Comfort, if you can replace the heel's top plate/volcano with something like the B&D "custom" plate/volcano, couldn't you make a light aluminum or plastic shim to go between heel body & top plate, use longer fasteners, and regain the lost height? Has anyone done that? Like the nubbin, but the height part is added lower on the unit.

With my toe shims I've noticed a bit of loss in climbing when the track goes up the fall line, but I tend to not stay in that ubervert line for long if I'm breaking trail. If I did more impatient uphills, I would probably tinker with regaining that lifter height at the heel.

[rod9301]

I had the same issue climbing with the shims under the rad toes, added the Nubins, and it still wasn't enough.
I had extensions welded to the nubbins, ads that solved the issue.

Of course, now you have to put a spacer on top of the ski crampons.

[gramboh]

After about a year of skiing, I believe the ramp angle is causing me problems on my Dynafit mounted skis. My setup is Radical ST's on 187cm 4FRNT Hoji's, boots are Maestrale RS. In powder I can ski them ok (although not as confidently as alpine setup) and fresh groomers are fine, but on variable snow and long ski outs I feel like I'm going over the bars and am skiing off my toes/forefoot plus the quads are burning and feel "on" when they shouldn't. When I ski my other skis (4FRNT Renegade with Guardians and Blizzard Cochise with STH916 using Tecnica Dragon 120 alpine boots) I feel balanced and planted in my boots and am skiing off the whole foot.

I need to do more research on shim size and figure out exactly what I want based on my binding/boot combo (and ensure it's not somehow a canting issue), but does anyone know if the shims are available for purchase/install at any shops in the lower mainland or Squamish/Whistler?

[gramboh]

So a year later I finally had the toes of my Radical ST 1.0's shimmed by about 7mm. Wow, I seriously could not believe the improved performance of the skis this weekend. It was a night and day difference. Right off the bat on the first groomer I could actually initiate nice GS turns from a relaxed stance. In powder, it was so much easier to pivot the skis and change direction. I was always underwhelmed with how my Hoji's felt compared to my Renegades and had chalked it up to poor feel from the touring boots/bindings but it was all due to the damn ramp angle. Loving how the Hoji's feel now that I am not skiing in high heels.

The trade off in lost heel height while skinning is a minor price to pay, at least so far based on two full days of touring.

Seriously, if you have Radical 1.0's (or other tech bindings with 15+mm ramp) and something feels off about how they ski, shim the toes. It's that big of a difference in ski feel.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

So a year later I finally had the toes of my Radical ST 1.0's shimmed by about 7mm. Wow, I seriously could not believe the improved performance of the skis this weekend. It was a night and day difference. Right off the bat on the first groomer I could actually initiate nice GS turns from a relaxed stance. In powder, it was so much easier to pivot the skis and change direction. I was always underwhelmed with how my Hoji's felt compared to my Renegades and had chalked it up to poor feel from the touring boots/bindings but it was all due to the damn ramp angle. Loving how the Hoji's feel now that I am not skiing in high heels.

The trade off in lost heel height while skinning is a minor price to pay, at least so far based on two full days of touring.

Seriously, if you have Radical 1.0's (or other tech bindings with 15+mm ramp) and something feels off about how they ski, shim the toes. It's that big of a difference in ski feel.

Duh. Jk. It really is marked difference.

[LeeLau]

I need to do more research on shim size and figure out exactly what I want based on my binding/boot combo (and ensure it's not somehow a canting issue), but does anyone know if the shims are available for purchase/install at any shops in the lower mainland or Squamish/Whistler?

OK this is super old but you can just get some plastic cutting board. $ 2 at Walmart takes care of it. Cut it out by hand and some holes and get slightly longer screws and there you go

[gramboh]

OK this is super old but you can just get some plastic cutting board. $ 2 at Walmart takes care of it. Cut it out by hand and some holes and get slightly longer screws and there you go

Yep bang on. Except I didn't trust my skills and paid Tom @ Intuition to do exactly this [emoji846].

[1000-oaks]

Haven't read this thread lately, but wanted to point something out about boot differences and ramp angle. With my Maestrale RS in Ions, I was waaaaay too forward until I made 1/4" toe shims. Much, much better with the shim.

Then I skied Vipecs with 2017 Cochise. Actually felt like there wasn't enough ramp angle and the boots were too upright. Got home and measured, and sure enough I'll have to make 1/8" shims for the heels so that the Cochise/Vipec angle matches Cochise/Salomon STH. No doubt this goes for any of the new hybrid DIN / tech soles, like the K2.

Can't imagine what a Cochise in a Beast 16 would be like, you'd probably need 1/4" heel shims to match most alpine binding angles.

[zion zig zag]

I can't find the ramp angle/toe- heel difference in mm's of an ATK raider 12 or 14. Anyone know?

[sethschmautz]

Haven't read this thread lately, but wanted to point something out about boot differences and ramp angle.

I just had a similar experience when I bought a pair of TLT6s. The TLTs fell like a much more upright ramp with my radical 2.0s. I was planning on shimming the toes when skiing them with my beast boots, and I probably still will, but might remove them for the TLTs.

Seth

[reckless toboggan]

Nope. Run a solyfit plate under the toes of my Vert FT12s.

Makes a big difference.

I have a 25.0 boot, so with 17mm delta or so, the angle is relatively steep.

Especially when considering I ski fks alpine for comparison.

[Jonathan S.]

I can't find the ramp angle/toe- heel difference in mm's of an ATK raider 12 or 14. Anyone know?

Skimo.co hasn't updated the table here yet:
http://skimo.co/pin-heights
...but they should be able to measure it for you (for the Hagan rebranded version).