GUNS!!!!!!!!

jgb@etree · 08-18-2015, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

Just sent you a PM.

Do you guys do any mag holders? Starting to look at options for a kydex 2x pmag holder, and 4x single stack mag holder as gear placement has been my achilles heel in 3 gun comps this summer. My shooting has been great, but my times have sucked. Missed the top 5 at a comp last friday by 1/2 a second because I dropped a pmag while drawing it from my back pocket.

**TAFKALVS** · 08-18-2015, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by jgb@etree

Do you guys do any mag holders? Starting to look at options for a kydex 2x pmag holder, and 4x single stack mag holder as gear placement has been my achilles heel in 3 gun comps this summer. My shooting has been great, but my times have sucked. Missed the top 5 at a comp last friday by 1/2 a second because I dropped a pmag while drawing it from my back pocket.

1911 mag pouch and ar15, right? We could do 4 single mag pouches with malice clips you could run on a 3-gun belt, plus a double ar15 pouch.

http://gunfightersinc.com/?page_id=28

http://gunfightersinc.com/?page_id=26

I have a coupon code for our webstore, (offer stands for all maggots.)

**TAFKALVS** · 08-18-2015, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by jgb@etree

At the end of the day the best HD gun, IMO, is the one you can shoot safely, accurately & effectively.

I have a Glock 21 .45 with Night Sights and a TLR1 HL, not worried about needing much more. I like AR15s for sure, but I would hate to touch one off inside a house with no ear pro, the .45 would be bad enough. Plus the muzzle flash alone be pretty disorienting, I think. I guess just need a suppressor?

jgb@etree · 08-18-2015, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

1911 mag pouch and ar15, right? We could do 4 single mag pouches with malice clips you could run on a 3-gun belt, plus a double ar15 pouch.

http://gunfightersinc.com/?page_id=28

http://gunfightersinc.com/?page_id=26

I have a coupon code for our webstore, (offer stands for all maggots.)

Rifle mag holder is exactly what I'm looking for, but I'm thinking 4x1mag holders may take up too much real estate. I'm thinking something along these lines for the single stack mags:

I'm also in need of a couple of holsters, so will hit you up in the near future for that code and or a custom order if needed. Thanks again!

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

I have a Glock 21 .45 with Night Sights and a TLR1 HL, not worried about needing much more. I like AR15s for sure, but I would hate to touch one off inside a house with no ear pro, the .45 would be bad enough. Plus the muzzle flash alone be pretty disorienting, I think. I guess just need a suppressor?

Yep, that's why suppressors exist.

My LGS has a stack of LE trade in Gemtech Trek's behind the counter for $225 if you'd like me to put you in touch with them. But if you are most comfortable with that .45, it's likely the best HD gun for you. Part of my rationale is also derived from the fact that I'm an OK pistol shooter, but am very, very proficient with a carbine. I'd be happy with a bunch of center mass hits under heavy pressure with a pistol, but can put a rifle round thru a buttonhole under similar stress. It's just what I am most comfortable with.

**digitaldeath** · 08-18-2015, 12:34 PM

ya fucking right! what are you a specops sniper

how the fuck can you simulate battle stress

yer talking out of your ass while you fellate your barrel

anyone can put a hole in a button hole with a modern rifle and perfect conditions

jgb@etree · 08-18-2015, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by TNKen

No idea what kind of deep finish. Try on the inside before the outside finish.

Excellent advice - thank you. I'll have to decide what to use (sandpaper, scotchbrite, someone even recommended using a cork?!?) and will then pull off a grip and test it under there to make sure I'm not going to be doing more harm than good.

Originally Posted by exsparky

I traded a 85% dr200 rifle for a pair of completely gnarley stainless smith and wesson 357's that looked new after some good polishing. I used a dremel with jewelers rouge on the scratches then polished the whole thing. The barrels were fine they just were not treated well. I have loved stainless anything since then.

DON'T TOUCH THE TOP PART THAT IS BEAD BLASTED MATTE and smith's come out really well. I'm not sure about rugers but it should be the same.

Good advice, thanks. This gun is brushed stainless pretty much all over the slide and frame. The only parts with a bead blasted finish like you describe is in the beveled area by the trigger - which was also hit by the idiot who didn't know how to reassemble a 1911. And that's the deepest part of the scratching. I've decided that I'm going to take a shot at cleaning up the scratch on the brushed area while I'm building it out with all of the parts I've ordered just to see how it comes out, and then send the gun out for milling & a complete refinishing when done. Polishing (dremel + mothers ftw!) would definitely work if the gun were already polished, but I'm not a huge fan of polished 1911's.

**TAFKALVS** · 08-18-2015, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by jgb@etree

Fucked up 1911

Have you thought about having it cerakoted?

**LeeC** · 08-18-2015, 09:22 PM

Added a couple to my collection..
Those who know...Know.

jgb@etree · 08-19-2015, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier

Have you thought about having it cerakoted?

Think I'm sticking with stainless on this one. I've got a 590a1 out for stealth gray cerakoting of the receiver, barrel & mag tube. Depending on how it comes out, I have a couple of other guns (polymer) that may get coated as well.

Originally Posted by LeeC

Added a couple to my collection..
Those who know...Know.

Looks like later production model from the slide markings, no? From what I'm told, once they got the parts interchangeability issues nailed and restarted production in March of '43 the quality of these guns are amazing. Are you keeping it as is, or using it as a starting point for a sick custom?

**Caucasian Asian** · 08-19-2015, 07:28 AM

Originally Posted by jgb@etree

Excellent advice - thank you. I'll have to decide what to use (sandpaper, scotchbrite, someone even recommended using a cork?!?) and will then pull off a grip and test it under there to make sure I'm not going to be doing more harm than good.

Good advice, thanks. This gun is brushed stainless pretty much all over the slide and frame. The only parts with a bead blasted finish like you describe is in the beveled area by the trigger - which was also hit by the idiot who didn't know how to reassemble a 1911. And that's the deepest part of the scratching. I've decided that I'm going to take a shot at cleaning up the scratch on the brushed area while I'm building it out with all of the parts I've ordered just to see how it comes out, and then send the gun out for milling & a complete refinishing when done. Polishing (dremel + mothers ftw!) would definitely work if the gun were already polished, but I'm not a huge fan of polished 1911's.

The Yankee Marshall has some good vids of SS firearm restoration

**exsparky** · 08-19-2015, 10:45 AM

Using a silencer on a home defence gun in most jurisdictions is a bad idea. Home defense shootings involving a Class III item- like a silencer, results in police confiscation of the items for evidence and a grand jury to determine if the shooter used excessive force or had prior intent to kill.

Trigger work could also a bad idea, this guy got acquitted but do you really want to go to court for years?
Alvarez in Dade County, FL, 1982

Cliffs-
No trigger work or class 3 stuff (cans, sbs, sbr's, aow, fa) if you have to shoot somebody, no matter what.

**Bcar** · 08-20-2015, 05:44 AM

A shotgun for sure has a lot of energy, no question, but the downsides outweigh the upsides. I used to think the 12ga was the end all be all of HD, until I took a 2 day shotgun class and then spoke with several long tabs I know.
-Slower to reload.
-Fewer rounds.
-Greater recoil, slower (OR less accurate) follow up shots.
-Shorter range.
-Over penetration is still a concern, anything that will do 12" or more in gel and incapacitate can also over penetrate. Bird shot is not effective.
-How many people know what pattern their buck (OO, #2 etc) shoots? I've only found two rounds that would spread 6" or less at 20m, anything bigger and you're planning on misses. Some were giving me 36" at 20m and over a foot at 10m, that is totally useless and dangerous.
-Modern polymer tip HPs and semi frangible rounds help for pistols and rifles.
-Typically longer, harder to maneuver in confined spaces.
-Noise is going to be bad regardless, I wouldn’t want to shoot a rifle or 12ga inside, most rifles also have flash hiders, not many shotguns have them.

Not sure I agree with the trigger job being bad for you. Did one intend to pull the trigger or not? A trigger job wont change that.

Man, some of you have some really nice 1911s! Very jealous... After a 5 shot J frame a 1911 is next on my list.

sb · 08-20-2015, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by LeeC

Added a couple to my collection..
Those who know...Know.

Sweet

jgb@etree · 08-20-2015, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by Caucasian Asian

The Yankee Marshall has some good vids of SS firearm restoration

Sweet. Going to watch that now, thanks!

Originally Posted by exsparky

Using a silencer on a home defence gun in most jurisdictions is a bad idea. Home defense shootings involving a Class III item- like a silencer, results in police confiscation of the items for evidence and a grand jury to determine if the shooter used excessive force or had prior intent to kill.

Trigger work could also a bad idea, this guy got acquitted but do you really want to go to court for years?
Alvarez in Dade County, FL, 1982

Cliffs-
No trigger work or class 3 stuff (cans, sbs, sbr's, aow, fa) if you have to shoot somebody, no matter what.

You're really talking about 2 separate, but related issues:

1. If you shoot someone, your gun is going to be stuck in an evidence locker for a LONG time - and you might not ever get it back
2. If you shoot someone with a modified gun (trigger job, mag safety removed, etc) you're opening yourself up to additional legal exposure.

#1 is pretty much a fact. I've spoken to people who carry a piece of shit gun operating under that theory, as they wouldn't want to 'loose' a gun they are attached to. While I understand the perspective, I don't have any guns that I wouldn't give up in a heartbeat in exchange for my own safety, or the safety of my family. So I carry what I'm most comfortable shooting, and if that means I have to loose a $700+ pistol or a $1300 rifle & $700 can in exchange for our safety, so be it.

#2 I've heard from many, many source - including folks who have likely forgotten more about guns & laws than I will ever know. So I won't say this perspective is wrong, I just happen to disagree with it. Yes, it is an angle that a prosecutor could attempt to exploit, but if you handle yourself properly and have a good lawyer who understands how to assert an affirmative defense, the custom work really shouldn't be an issue.

If anyone ever has a chance to take a class with Massad Ayoob, particularly his MAG-20 class (Armed Citizen's Rules of Engagment) I would HIGHLY recommend it. It's not a shooting class, it's more of legal theory & concepts and goes really deep into the rights and responsibilities that go along with carrying. You are deluged with so much important information that it isn't even funny. It's like drinking water out of a fire hose. His books are also excellent. Among the important topics he covers is when to shoot, what to do immediately afterward, and how to mount a proper legal defense. As I had heard about the 'risks' of carrying a modified gun from several previous instructors, I completely believed it until I took Ayoob's class. His thoughts on how to handle yourself, and how to find the RIGHT lawyer (you most likely don't want a traditional 'criminal' lawyer) moved me past this and really helped in seeing the 'big picture'.

Originally Posted by Bcar

Not sure I agree with the trigger job being bad for you. Did one intend to pull the trigger or not? A trigger job wont change that.

^^^ Ayup

**TNKen** · 08-20-2015, 12:36 PM

I have a Remington Rand US Property marked. Neat gun from an interesting era.

sb · 08-24-2015, 09:53 AM

Aquired a nu adjustable stock for the target .223, PSA complete lower for my .22 AR plinky upper and KSG in da HOUSE!

**stuckathuntermtn** · 08-24-2015, 12:09 PM

I wouldn't want to 'loose' a good gun either.

**digitaldeath** · 08-24-2015, 12:20 PM

i loosed it, now some negro gots it

**digitaldeath** · 08-24-2015, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by jgb@etree

moved me past this and really helped in seeing the 'big picture'.

incredible perceptive abilities, ahhhhh the big picture

let me guess, its a glock

**Tippster** · 08-29-2015, 08:03 PM

edit: Never mind. Have fun.

sb · 08-30-2015, 12:15 PM

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**The Reverend Floater** · 08-31-2015, 10:42 PM

I think it's time to get a suppressor. I'd like to get one that I can use on my .308's--The PWS MK220 and the Savage 10. I've done some googling but seems like a real cluster fuck. Anyone have any tips or experience as to how to go through the process?

jgb@etree · 09-01-2015, 04:11 AM

If you're going to start getting NFA goodies, it may be worth looking into having a trust created. If it's just going to be a one off thing, go to a LGS that carries NFA stuff, or check out silencer shop. Haven't used them myself, but 2 friends have and said they make it very easy. Basically you buy what you want, and give the dealer all of your info. They'll fill out all the paperwork and show you where you need to sign. You then go get the paperwork signed off on by your chief of police (unless you have a trust), get printed and send along some passport photos with the $200 for your NFA tax. ~6mos later, your stamp comes in and you can pick up your new can.

AAC's got a great reputation, but you'll pay for it. Friend recently picked up a SilencerCo Omega and has been using it for 300blk, 5.56 and .22lr with nothing but good things to say about it.

**Conundrum** · 09-01-2015, 11:08 AM

Just spent a couple days hunting with a buddy whose neighbor is the gov sales guy for PWS. Apparently he's a Landcruiser guy so my buddy is going to make an introduction. I could find out more on suppressors for you when that trip happens.

**The Reverend Floater** · 09-01-2015, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by Conundrum

Just spent a couple days hunting with a buddy whose neighbor is the gov sales guy for PWS. Apparently he's a Landcruiser guy so my buddy is going to make an introduction. I could find out more on suppressors for you when that trip happens.

Thanks hombre....I know the PWS guys but am not really interested in their suppressors. I think an AAC or that new Sig looks pretty nice. Either way, sounds like I need to go through the Silencer Shop.