ProtoPolyAss: What About Building Water Pipelines To CA and the SW?

[Benny Profane]

http://www.revealnews.org/article/wh...mpaign=twitter

[Benny Profane]

Has anybody said, hey, how about Colorado. Remember the drought around 97 to 02 or close to those years? Everybody with their hands in the air and wondering, how will we ever wash our cars again? But, as always, it passed, somewhat, and that city stopped carrying on any meaningful conversation about conservation and just hit the gas pedal on all sorts of development, everywhere. The front range is simply too big, and getting bigger. But, I guess it will take shutting down all of those micro breweries to get most to notice.

[splat]

In places like Los Angeles and the Gay Area, this would probably be welcome news, as most of the people residing there seem to suffer gluten intolerance.

Kalifornia farm exports are supported at both the state and federal levels as a means to help balance our trade deficit. Or so I've read.

What does it balance out? All the Chinese produce at Whole Foods?

At a fundamental SOCIAL level, CA "needs" this crisis.

FIFY. People that reside in water-poor climates like SoCal and AZ need to learn the hard way.

I guess that proposal to pump all the sewage in LA up to the desert so it filters through the ground and becomes drinking water again is back on the table.

[BmillsSkier]

What does it balance out? All the Chinese produce at Whole Foods?

You and I have very different Whole Foods.

[WTF is dat]

Has anybody said, hey, how about Colorado. Remember the drought around 97 to 02 or close to those years? Everybody with their hands in the air and wondering, how will we ever wash our cars again? But, as always, it passed, somewhat, and that city stopped carrying on any meaningful conversation about conservation and just hit the gas pedal on all sorts of development, everywhere. The front range is simply too big, and getting bigger. But, I guess it will take shutting down all of those micro breweries to get most to notice.

The drought in colorado was never as bad as what California is facing currently. Not even in the same ballpark, really.

Denver actually has continued to carry on meaningful conversations about water conservation, despite your uninformed opinion.

While we haven't had any mandatory watering restrictions for a few years now, denver water still creates water use guidelines / restrictions that residents adhere to (only water your lawn 3 days a week, never during the daytime, etc etc)

These guidelines get mailed out to residents every spring. Denver water also runs a huge advocacy campaign in the summertime about conserving water. You see the orange ads everywhere.... freeway billboards, busses, newspapers, etc.

Furthermore, denver water customers have reduced their average consumption by 14% in the past 2 years alone.

And, If you compare current per capita water usage in denver to the early 2000s, per capita consumption has been reduced by more than 20%.


So, once again Benny, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Good god.


Edit to add: just looked it up and Colorado still doesn't even use all of the 3.88 million acre feet it is allotted from the Colorado river.

[splat]

You and I have very different Whole Foods.

It never ceases to amaze me how you can continuously be so smug and such a fucking dumbass in the same breath.

What the Whole Foods PR guy says...http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/blog...china-possible

Over the past many years Whole Foods doubled down on Chinese produce and everyone got burned paying for organic that clearly wasn't. If you did some googling, there's just shitloads of info out there to find so you don't have to out yourself as such a presumptuous ass.

[Benny Profane]

The drought in colorado was never as bad as what California is facing currently. Not even in the same ballpark, really.

Denver actually has continued to carry on meaningful conversations about water conservation, despite your uninformed opinion.

While we haven't had any mandatory watering restrictions for a few years now, denver water still creates water use guidelines / restrictions that residents adhere to (only water your lawn 3 days a week, never during the daytime, etc etc)

These guidelines get mailed out to residents every spring. Denver water also runs a huge advocacy campaign in the summertime about conserving water. You see the orange ads everywhere.... freeway billboards, busses, newspapers, etc.

Furthermore, denver water customers have reduced their average consumption by 14% in the past 2 years alone.

And, If you compare current per capita water usage in denver to the early 2000s, per capita consumption has been reduced by more than 20%.


So, once again Benny, you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

Good god.


Edit to add: just looked it up and Colorado still doesn't even use all of the 3.88 million acre feet it is allotted from the Colorado river.

The key here, and my point is, "per capita". As long as the young and bright and fit continue to flood into the front range, there is another catastrophe waiting that will be worse than the last. Of course this isn't as bad as California. That's an excuse. What, do you think you live in a wet place. Wake the fuck up. It's dry, always has been dry and brown. You think that whole fixing leaks and replacing toilets will make up for all those five bedroom houses that have sprung up and down 25, all the new, hip rental towers and lower shit out further? It is like that Whole Foods bullshit where the liberal bourgeoise feels better by buying socially and environmentally conscious overpriced stuff, and then carts it out to their fucking trucks and SUVs for the half hour drive home.

There will be a reckoning. Hide your head in your ass as much as you want with your so called conservation, but you should watch California and São Paulo and Saudia Arabia and many other places that are going dry not because of drought, per se, but too many humans sucking it out of Rivers and groundwater.

Have you seen the bathtub ring on Lake Powell? Party over, dude. Yeah, sure, right, you're under the allotment for the Colorado. What politician determined that proper amount?

Edit: it ain't just the front range

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_14039424

[WTF is dat]

. It's dry, always has been dry and brown.

Have you seen the bathtub ring on Lake Powell? Party over, dude. Yeah, sure, right, you're under the allotment for the Colorado. What politician determined that proper amount?

Actually, Colorado is quite green right now, and will be even greener once May comes around. If we get some decent rains, denver metro will stay green for most of the summer. Same as every summer.

Yes, I have seen the bathtub ring around lake Powell, which happens to be in another state and is therefore irrelevant to our discussion about Colorado.

What politician determined the allotment that Colorado gets from the Colorado river? Something called the Colorado River Compact. Ever heard of it? It's been in existence for 100 years & Colorado currently uses less than the 3.88 million acre feet of water that it is allocated annually from the Colorado River Compact.

You really are fucking clueless. Please don't come back to colorado next year and for the love of god stop cunting up the Colorado weather discussion thread

[Benny Profane]

Yes, I have seen the bathtub ring around lake Powell, which happens to be in another state and is therefore irrelevant to our discussion about Colorado.

You officially became stupid with that one. Do you do drugs along with your excessive drinking? Get out of the fast lane, young man, before you turn into fastfred.

Hey, I did want to thank you for the gopro video you posted showing us what you do on powder days. It's a gem. Enjoy the green world of Denver. Hehe. Green. Have you ever been to a green, wet place?

[skifishbum]

farming is farming the water is used to grow crops.
w/ 1/2 the snowfall i kinda doubt our irragation waters gonna last long this season so the garden is gonna cost me more this year.
but at least municiplalities and some homeowners are gonna pull their heads outta the ass
and rethink the wisdom of the stupidity that is watering and growing fuckin grass lawns and parkways
a stupid vanity biodiversity fuckages and waste of a precious recourse

[Benny Profane]

How about the stupidity and waste of exurbia?

[skifishbum]

benji did they give your pussy ass morphine or oxcy for your scope
why in gods green earth would your east coast cube monkey ass ever try n play the i live my life around pow days card
in a thread about west coast water
you will never carry that card and 8 posts a day on a skiing based forum isn't an apprenticeship

[BmillsSkier]

It never ceases to amaze me how you can continuously be so smug and such a fucking dumbass in the same breath.

What the Whole Foods PR guy says...http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/blog...china-possible

Over the past many years Whole Foods doubled down on Chinese produce and everyone got burned paying for organic that clearly wasn't. If you did some googling, there's just shitloads of info out there to find so you don't have to out yourself as such a presumptuous ass.

Oh I'm familiar with what all you linked to. And in my particular WF, most if not all of the produce (depending upon season of course) comes from Georgia, Florida and the Carolina's. So get those acid wash mom jeans of yours out of their bunch and relax.

Again, you and I have very different Whole Foods.

[Yonder_River]

Has anybody said, hey, how about Colorado. Remember the drought around 97 to 02 or close to those years? Everybody with their hands in the air and wondering, how will we ever wash our cars again? But, as always, it passed, somewhat, and that city stopped carrying on any meaningful conversation about conservation and just hit the gas pedal on all sorts of development, everywhere. The front range is simply too big, and getting bigger. But, I guess it will take shutting down all of those micro breweries to get most to notice.

Their was still a push for conservation when I lived in Denver in the middle of 2000's. I remember the water restrictions we had and it was barely a drought. I also remember travelling to Phoenix that same summer and seeing lawns being watered at noon in the 100 degree heat with no restrictions in place. A perfect example of why the Southwest is in its current situation.

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[Benny Profane]

Phoenix? Shit, Vegas has always astounded me all my life. Those fountains! I mean, wtf? How can anybody carry on a rational conversation about water resources and the Colorado River when that city still exists? It's a hooker and blow economy sucking an enormous amount of valuable water out of the whole system.

Hey, whatever, I can see that many are in denial about the situation out west in what are the fastest growing places in the country. Sure, some who are aware of the situation blame global warming or something trendy, and then go out and fill the pool and clean the hot tub behind the MacMansion in a neighborhood filled with MacMansions, never doing that simple math in their head. But, the American middle class always has been quite selfish in their consumption of natural resources. We, after all, still use 25% of the world's petroleum, and still opt out for a massive pickup truck to drive to the cube farm every day. So what's the big whoop about something that comes out of a tap for free or almost free in our house since like forever, right?

[Benny Profane]

Ben needs to visit some California water sheds to see real drought conditions. The tubs are almost dry enough to wipe down. How bout a pipe from Benny's municipality to the parched children of So Cal so they can keep making lemonaid.

You know, twice in my little long term vacations in Colorado, people have told me that what they miss about the east is the green. It's true though. It rains here. There's all sorts of foliage and running streams everywhere. We may have our issues, but, we have plenty of water, something that will be fought over in wars pretty soon elsewhere. Good luck with that.

[bodywhomper]

i like the idea of a pipeline. it'll keep many desk jockey's, surveyors, environmental field scientist, etc. gainfully employed for many years.

i've heard that the modoc area has a huge and generally untapped groundwater aquifer.....

another idea, maintain the watersheds better, http://blogs.kqed.org/science/audio/...or-california/

one part of the solution about ag use and practices is changing consumer demands.

[Game Over]

Oh I'm familiar with what all you linked to. And in my particular WF, most if not all of the produce (depending upon season of course) comes from Georgia, Florida and the Carolina's. So get those acid wash mom jeans of yours out of their bunch and relax.

Again, you and I have very different Whole Foods.

FWIW many crops are mostly only grown in California. I highly doubt you are getting your brassica, (broccoli, kale, cabbage etc) artichokes or spinach from anywhere but California as that state grows 99% of the US crop.

[GeezerSteve]

I highly doubt you are getting your brassica, (broccoli, kale, cabbage etc) artichokes or spinach from anywhere but California as that state grows 99% of the US crop.

We get 4 of those 5 from our garden in West Seattle

[PNWbrit]

You know, twice in my little long term vacations in Colorado, people have told me that what they miss about the east is the green..

The people who told you that were probably also on vacation.

[Benny Profane]

Everybody in Summit County is on vacation.

[BmillsSkier]

FWIW many crops are mostly only grown in California. I highly doubt you are getting your brassica, (broccoli, kale, cabbage etc) artichokes or spinach from anywhere but California as that state grows 99% of the US crop.

Oh I'm familiar that CA is the biggest producer of produce. (Hence this thread) But down here in the south, they grow plenty of shit. Hell, kale is used as a decorative plant in flower beds and how on earth would people get their collards and kale if they didn't grow here? Sure not everything is local but the vast majority of food in the produce section has placards stating what farm it comes from in GA, FL or the Carolina's. Again it's seasonal and some things you just won't get like local apples in December but on the whole it's very very local - way more than other WFs I've been in.

So again, while I don't vouch for every product in the store, and the country of origin is clearly labeled on everything - I don't see much if any Chinese made food in my WF - therefore Splat and I have very different WFs apparently.

[goldengatestinx]

I just can't believe that California is just now getting around to implementing watering restrictions.

Seriously, that should have been done 2 years ago.

Denver water prohibits us from watering during daylight hours, etc, even during years of water surplus

Californians have behavioral problems. It's confirmed every time I see a vehicle with CA plates in the left lane, never using a turn signal, moving slower than traffic in right lanes, changing lanes erratically, texting, etc. This is the reason that 6 lanes of traffic in each direction still results in a clusterfuck long commute for the braindead in CA. If they would only get their heads out of their asses, look around and consider anything but themselves, it would automatically improve...drastically in most cases.

Same reason these people do not conserve water...because they've not been forced to. Because they do not consider anyone but themselves. And it's the reason Californians shouldn't be permitted to move out of their state. They spread their BS worse than the flu in a kindergarden class.

[bodywhomper]

^^^good troll

[goldengatestinx]

^^^good troll

^^^^ Truth hurt ya much? Prove it ain't otherwise.