2015 Work Vans - What happened to AWD/4x4?

[MontuckyFried]

Working on launching a new business here hopefully this summer, and having a tough time figuring out what I'll do for a vehicle. I thought a van would be perfect, since I'll want my stuff covered up (electronics), and want the organization capabilities and storage height of a cargo van. I saw the new Chevy City Express (same as the new little Nissan from what I hear) at the dealer yesterday and love the size and fuel economy, and I also dig the Ford Transit Connect for the same reasons. Super practical, BUT all of the new mini cargo vans are FWD. So, I thought maybe it'd be worth checking into the full size work vans from Ford and GM. Seems that the new Ford Transit lacks the 4x4 they used to offer in the E-Series vans, and the GM vans don't offer the AWD they used to. The Merc Sprinter/Ram ProMaster look about perfect (esp with the diesel), but they also lack the 4x4/AWD capability I seek.

So what happened? Is something around the corner that I haven't heard about? Am I just missing something on the websites? I'd be happy to go used, but DAYUM people want a fortune for used vans and work trucks, even with like 200,000 miles on them. It's to the point that I might as well go new...IF they had the drive system I wanted. And yes, I'm pretty sure I'll NEED AWD/4x4 around here. Heard of too many contractors getting stuck around here to want to compromise.

Where's my [insert obligatory, imaginary TGR Cargo sport wagon with a diesel, AWD, and a stick here]?!

[sanjuanworm]

http://www.outerbanks.craigslist.org...929542792.html

[4matic]

Sprinter is AWD next year.

[senior researcher]

Hot tub repair?

[North]

2015 Sprinter w/4x4 can be yours for the low low price of $45K

[Foggy_Goggles]

^^^
Where is that $45K Sprinter

The 4X4 van has been the unobtanium of mountain contractors for years. The Express AWD are pretty good but only a 1/2 ton which is really not enough for plumbers and sparkys. I'd be rolling a transit connect if it was AWD. If you want factory 4X4, a chasis cab with a stand up height work body is the best route if you need to be able to work inside. If not just get a topper with reach-in tool boxes and a sliding bed if needed. Check your insurance as not all companies consider your tools locked in a topper or tool box "inside a locked vehicle".

[MontuckyFried]

Sprinter is AWD next year.

Sweet! Just looked it up. Car and Driver said it's pretty much going to be the only option out there if you want a factory van that powers all four wheels.

2015 Sprinter w/4x4 can be yours for the low low price of $45K

Pricey, but a new GMC van w/ a diesel STARTS at $42,495 and that's a stripped down model with RWD only. Plus, the Sprinter should get pretty decent mpg! The current models get exceptional mileage, but I'm sure the 4x4 and it's associated 4" lift will make it take a small hit. Worth it.

Would be awesome if Ford, GM, and Nissan take a hint and start trying to compete. With the Sprinter being the only option, I bet we're going to start seeing a ton of them around here. Can you say "ultimate ski bum vehicle"?!

[North]

Looks like production is already limited, '15 orders being pushed to '16, etc. So a more accurate statement may have been:

2015 Sprinter w/4x4 can be yours for the low low price of $45K....in 2016 or beyond.

[MontuckyFried]

Looks like production is already limited, '15 orders being pushed to '16, etc. So a more accurate statement may have been:

2015 Sprinter w/4x4 can be yours for the low low price of $45K....in 2016 or beyond.

Doh! What's even weirder is that a related article I just read said that due to the "Chicken Tax" the US imposes, Mercedes ships them fully assembled, but then once they get to the outgoing port, they disassemble them almost entirely, and then reassemble them when they get stateside. Adds like 8% to the cost, but saves almost 25% due to the absurd tax. What the heck?
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news...nd-chicken-tax

[frorider]

Yup, chicken tax is absurd. BTW Merc is supposedly going to have actual mfg of the Sprinter in NA eventually.

[Jumper Bones]

Ford Transit had a similar issue, came assembled from Turkey and then did the disassembly/reassembly thing. I think that's why you can't get windows in the back with them.

As for it all drying up, they're all car-based 'vans' in the name of fuel economy.

[Rodneyyee]

Sportmobile west had a 4x4 option ready to go 6 years ago. They also had the only 4x4 mercedes sprinter in the states. Merc said NIEN to the sports mobile conversion. If the awd has the same looking transfer case and front end it is pretty rad/weird looking.

[FireStrom]

Fwiw Chevy and ford never offered factory 4x4. The rigs you see tooling around are aftermarket conversions from quigley and advanced in SLC for the most part.

I have an awd 1500 express (just ceased production) and it is decently capable but as mentioned not a heavy hauler.

I'm sure the aftermarket co's are working on designs for the new city vans so there should be that option too at some point.

[Foggy_Goggles]

A plumber friend of mine just build a sweet service truck. It's a 1 ton gasser ford van chasis with a customer cutaway full height work body. It was then converted to 4X4 by I think Advanced and uses mostly 1 ton truck parts available in the aftermarket (A Quiqley/Sportsmobile weakness). It set him back some $$ but is the most functional work vehicle I've seen

[Caucasian Asian]

My SIL drives for a courier company in northern BC, and she's on her second Sprinter. Only RWD, but she doesn't have any problems in the snow.

The Sprinter doesn't have a block heater either. It just starts up by itself when it gets cold and idles until it warms up, then shuts itself off. It's cold outside, Hal.

[skiing-in-jackson]

Probably more beat up than you want, but the sled tour companies in town are always selling them here, I've seen Quigley conversions here for ~$4K. They get used for wildlife tour companies all the time. The sled guys trade them out frequently. Ridden hard, put out wet though.

[wannabe]

Not sure what your 4wd requirements are but I just got a ram promaster and with the stock tires handles surprisingly very good in the snow.

With legit snow tires it will be fantastic.

[BmillsSkier]

[Rodneyyee]

A plumber friend of mine just build a sweet service truck. It's a 1 ton gasser ford van chasis with a customer cutaway full height work body. It was then converted to 4X4 by I think Advanced and uses mostly 1 ton truck parts available in the aftermarket (A Quiqley/Sportsmobile weakness). It set him back some $$ but is the most functional work vehicle I've seen

Actually incorrect on sport mobile -they have full military wrap parts and are twice as bomber as advanced and I think quigly is upgrading-Ride in a 100% sports mobile 4x4 with the dyna track and that monstrous transfer case-then again they are for serious 4 wheeling and not work.

[booner]

$12K.....PM me

[BmillsSkier]

Is that door custom?

[booner]

Is that door custom?

oh it's custom


here's the custom interior...

[MontuckyFried]

$12K.....PM me

oh it's custom


here's the custom interior...

Haha. That's pretty awesome. Reminds me of this:
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/311...m-will-ferrell

Anyhoo, the more I look into the work van thing, the more I think it might be worth holding out for the Sprinter 4x4. I checked out the Quigley conversions, and they would definitely do the trick, but when you take the cost of the vehicle plus the conversion, you're quickly getting into the price range of the Merc. Now throw in a diesel, and you're into the 50K+ range with the GMC/Chevy vans. Might as well go with the Mercedes at that point which has insane usable space and fantastic mileage for the size. Hopefully they get their Charleston, SC plant up and running soon so they won't be assembling the stupid things twice! In Germany at the airbases, I spent quite a bit of time with the Sprinter, and then our squadron picked up the Dodge branded version when they finally brought them here. I've always been impressed with them, and would love to have one for my "fleet" of 1. Unless GM, Ford, or Nissan comes up with a decent competitor first, that is. Doesn't sound likely.

In the meanwhile, I might try and make do with my current vehicle + a cheap trailer, if I can find a decent enclosed one. That should do the trick for a few months to a year...maybe.

[Scrubadub]

What's the new business in Big Sky? I do IT contracting in the area, and one thing to think about is insurance for your vehicle, especially if you plan to work at the YC. I also do some work for a big oil company, so I need lots of insurance to cover me, and this is much cheaper on older vehicles. I use an old Nissan Maxima for 95% of my driving, but also have a Land Cruiser if the roads get bad. When I started up a couple years ago I looked into insuring my new F150 and it was very expensive, not too bad on a 96 maxima though...

[MontuckyFried]

What's the new business in Big Sky? I do IT contracting in the area, and one thing to think about is insurance for your vehicle, especially if you plan to work at the YC. I also do some work for a big oil company, so I need lots of insurance to cover me, and this is much cheaper on older vehicles.

Can't say what the business is quite yet. It's not a big deal, but being a small town where everybody knows everything, I want to keep it at least sorta hush hush until I get it up and running. I'll be happy to spam the forum here with my wares once I get started. I'd like to give you locals here a mag discount, and will definitely hook you all up on service just to get my portfolio built up quickly.

That's an excellent point about the insurance. I definitely will be doing Club work, and the insurance for my current vehicle won't be that bad since it's right over 10 years old, but it might be pretty nasty on the Merc. I had better check into that. Can't be breaking the bank on the new business right off the bat. Will I need to insure the trailer too? I'm assuming so.