Is the stock market going to tank?

[Timberridge]

And, funny thing how the Leaf, the "affordable" electric car, ain't selling for shit. Wonder why?

It makes the Prius look like a runway supermodel?

[4matic]

WTI at $85 and change per barrel. Gasoline getting spanked again down .45c in two weeks. CVX starting to look interesting

[Timberridge]

WTI at $85 and change per barrel. Gasoline getting spanked again down .45c in two weeks. CVX starting to look interesting

You're the Jim Cramer of TGR.

[4matic]

You're the Jim Cramer of TGR.

I used to have a tv spot on FNN. I kinda look like Cramer...

[Plainview]

It makes the Prius look like a runway supermodel?

Exacchary.

Automakers don't want to sell electric cars - not nearly as profitable or built at a loss, but they need to be seen to be doing something "green" so they make them look like shit so only hippies who don't care what it looks like will buy them. The Prius was a loss-leader for Toyota for awhile but now that the technology is matured and the R&D is amortized they can make money on them. Since they still have a gas engine there's still money to be made selling oil changes and filters.

Note that good looking hybrids & electrics are $pendy. the automakers learned from GM's experiment with "affordable" electric cars back in the '90s.

[Benny Profane]

I used to have a tv spot on FNN. I kinda look like Cramer...

Oh. Sorry.

[grrrr]

That gas station is paying a ton of taxes.

Bullshit. I know you're used to NY where they tax the fuck out of everything, but gasoline taxes sure as shit aren't paying for the upkeep of the roads around here. Joe taxpayer is subsidizing your gasoline habit.

You need to get your head out of the sandhole you stuck it in 1959.

[Benny Profane]

Bullshit. I know you're used to NY where they tax the fuck out of everything, but gasoline taxes sure as shit aren't paying for the upkeep of the roads around here. Joe taxpayer is subsidizing your gasoline habit.

You need to get your head out of the sandhole you stuck it in 1959.

Property and sales taxes. How much does that charging station produce?

[grrrr]

Property and sales taxes. How much does that charging station produce?

Like I said, you're used to NY. They're not paying "a ton of taxes" here.

[Benny Profane]

Like I said, you're used to NY. They're not paying "a ton of taxes" here.

Well then, where are we going to get the money for this massive infrastructure to make Elon richer? NY residents?

[Mazderati]

China!

[Benny Profane]

At least the Euro is tanking. My next trip to Italy is going to be a lot more affordable.

[4matic]

Margin liquidation in crude oil. Down another $1 after the close $84.06.

[AdironRider]

Bullshit. I know you're used to NY where they tax the fuck out of everything, but gasoline taxes sure as shit aren't paying for the upkeep of the roads around here. Joe taxpayer is subsidizing your gasoline habit.

You need to get your head out of the sandhole you stuck it in 1959.

You do realize that when you buy a gallon of gas you pay more in taxes than for the actual product right?

[Bromontana]

^ you like to be wrong on everything you post?

[MontuckyFried]

Either way you guys want to argue about the costs of gas, it still makes a compelling case to be able to "refuel" in my garage for a fraction the cost. ESPECIALLY for what gas prices are up in the mountains.

[shroom]

id drive that Lexus 200hwhatever tho. aren't you old farts rich enough to foot the bill on one of those?

[Bromontana]

Either way you guys want to argue about the costs of gas, it still makes a compelling case to be able to "refuel" in my garage for a fraction the cost. ESPECIALLY for what gas prices are up in the mountains.

Is an un subsidized electronic charge competitive with gas right now? Pardon my ignorance, serious q

[MontuckyFried]

Is an un subsidized electronic charge competitive with gas right now? Pardon my ignorance, serious q

It's far cheaper. However, it all depends on what your price per KWH is, if the prices vary with peak usage and all that, what kind of charger you use, and a couple other things...
Check it: http://www.teslamotors.com/charging#/calculator
No matter what your methods though, it's much, much cheaper than gas.

[liv2ski]

Fuck the plug in electric cars. I am waiting for the new Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Honda has one on the road and Toyota rolls one out in 2015.

[4matic]

id drive that Lexus 200hwhatever tho. aren't you old farts rich enough to foot the bill on one of those?

I'm burning all the gas I can to ensure a green future for y'all.

[hortence]

OK, that's another thing about Musk. All the fan boys think he is such a visionary, but he's such a whore for government support and tax breaks. Everyone knows that this whole thing won't work without charging stations everywhere, but, who's going to build them? You and me, Jack, with our tax dollars. Let's not go near the massive infrastructure improvements our electric grid will need if this thing takes off. Who's going to fund that? Yup, you and me. Not him. He just shopped around his battery factory to the lowest bidder, and the people of Nevada got it up the ass on that one for, what, the promise of maybe a hundred jobs? And do you think he would be playing with space rockets if you and I weren't funding that, instead of NASA?
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Dude. Balance sheets have two sides. Yeah "we'll" pay for it. We'll also get a lot out of it. Think of it as an investment. Would GM et. al. have been so successful without the federally subsidized highway system? Would you be able to call up osm e rustic backwater without the subsidized phone system? sheesh.

A friend of mine, an electrical contractor bought a Tesla and frikken' loved it. he knew the limitations, he accommodated.

[Timberridge]

Fuck the plug in electric cars. I am waiting for the new Hydrogen fuel cell cars. Honda has one on the road and Toyota rolls one out in 2015.

Cold fusion, bitches.

[Benny Profane]

Dude. Balance sheets have two sides. Yeah "we'll" pay for it. We'll also get a lot out of it. Think of it as an investment. Would GM et. al. have been so successful without the federally subsidized highway system? Would you be able to call up osm e rustic backwater without the subsidized phone system? sheesh.

A friend of mine, an electrical contractor bought a Tesla and frikken' loved it. he knew the limitations, he accommodated.

Nice. Business must be good. But he drives the pickup to the mountains, right? I mean the Tesla is fun, but, it doesn't really get things covered, right? At 90 grand?

Governments can easily misdirect capital. Happens all the time. Horrible distortions when we built our railroads. And horribly corrupt, too. I really fail to see how our feeble taxpayer investment in electric cars will do most any good as it stands now. China is way ahead of us with a centrally planned investment climate, and they really aren't getting there, either. It's the batteries. Gotta make better batteries. All else won't work right now, and, if we were really serious, we'd go whole hog on charging stations and renovated electric grids. Ain't happening. Too expensive. We can't even fix what we have, like the roads and bridges. Sorry, we're in decline, especially if DC stays deadlocked.

[4matic]

I really fail to see how our feeble taxpayer investment in electric cars will do most any good as it stands now.

I bet you said the same thing about government investment in shale and fracking in the 70's 80's.