Is the stock market going to tank?

**MontuckyFried** · 10-09-2014, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Musk sells expensive toys to rich people and loses money in the billions, and the press swoons over his bizarre outer space obsessions.

People like Musk because he's a visionary. His business model might not be one to emulate, because as you rightly pointed out, he has lost plenty of money, BUT he is instrumental in bringing us products some of us have been craving. Just like the new Tesla is supposedly going to have AWD. After seeing a Tesla in a showroom, I REALLY want one. If they come out with an affordable AWD electric car, then rock on! Who else is doing that? Nobody. Tesla's the only company who's brought us any all-electric car remotely as usable as the Model S. I'm pretty sure he's going with the loss-leader model. Who knows, it might work out great for Tesla in the end if they end up getting some legit market saturation. There's a reason other car companies and dealer associations are so pissed off at him.

**4matic** · 10-09-2014, 10:28 AM

Another 50 points down on SP500 today is possible. 1880 on the table.

**PNWbrit** · 10-09-2014, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Most Seattlites don't like the guy

I'm not sure that's necessarily true?

Well sure he doesn't own a sports franchise or anything.

He's actually a very nice fella in person.

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 10:49 AM

http://www.bloombergview.com/article...cast-is-a-joke

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

People like Musk because he's a visionary. His business model might not be one to emulate, because as you rightly pointed out, he has lost plenty of money, BUT he is instrumental in bringing us products some of us have been craving. Just like the new Tesla is supposedly going to have AWD. After seeing a Tesla in a showroom, I REALLY want one. If they come out with an affordable AWD electric car, then rock on! Who else is doing that? Nobody. Tesla's the only company who's brought us any all-electric car remotely as usable as the Model S. I'm pretty sure he's going with the loss-leader model. Who knows, it might work out great for Tesla in the end if they end up getting some legit market saturation. There's a reason other car companies and dealer associations are so pissed off at him.

Um, maybe because it's not possible at the moment to come out with an "affordable" awd car or SUV? Let's face it, even if they somehow make an "affordable" car, would you really buy something that has a 2-300 mile range? How would that work out for long trips?

Face it, if it was possible, the Chinese would be there, with Buffet's help.They've been trying real hard, since they have no oil and their air is unbreathable. Isn't happening until they invent the magic battery that doesn't exist. Then I'll think about investing in that pipe dream.

**shroom** · 10-09-2014, 11:58 AM

what do you think they're working towards? when was the last time a company brought and end all be all product to market from the get go? no one expects that.

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 12:03 PM

And when was the last time that billions were thrown at tech ideas that didn't ever show a profit or even have a market? Christ, 1999 isn't that long ago. But, they are good, I gotta admit. Win or fail, sink or swim, billionaires are minted. What a country.

**mcsquared** · 10-09-2014, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Um, maybe because it's not possible at the moment to come out with an "affordable" awd car or SUV? Let's face it, even if they somehow make an "affordable" car, would you really buy something that has a 2-300 mile range? How would that work out for long trips?

Face it, if it was possible, the Chinese would be there, with Buffet's help.They've been trying real hard, since they have no oil and their air is unbreathable. Isn't happening until they invent the magic battery that doesn't exist. Then I'll think about investing in that pipe dream.

You know there are charging stations all over the place right? When was the last time you took a road trip? I bet there was a charging station along the way. There is one in Summit County. Sure if you travel the back roads of Utah you might not find one but in the places that the typical Tesla buyer travels they are around. We get it, you hate rich people.

**Mazderati** · 10-09-2014, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by mcsquared

We get it, you hate rich people.

A bit sadistic given his penchant for close proximity to the same group.

**MontuckyFried** · 10-09-2014, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Let's face it, even if they somehow make an "affordable" car, would you really buy something that has a 2-300 mile range? How would that work out for long trips?

It would actually work out pretty well...

Here's where the current charging stations are:

And here's where they will be by the end of this year:

And here's where they'll be by the end of next year:

Not too shabby. Oh yeah, and the juice is free.

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by mcsquared

You know there are charging stations all over the place right? When was the last time you took a road trip? I bet there was a charging station along the way. There is one in Summit County. Sure if you travel the back roads of Utah you might not find one but in the places that the typical Tesla buyer travels they are around. We get it, you hate rich people.

OK, that's another thing about Musk. All the fan boys think he is such a visionary, but he's such a whore for government support and tax breaks. Everyone knows that this whole thing won't work without charging stations everywhere, but, who's going to build them? You and me, Jack, with our tax dollars. Let's not go near the massive infrastructure improvements our electric grid will need if this thing takes off. Who's going to fund that? Yup, you and me. Not him. He just shopped around his battery factory to the lowest bidder, and the people of Nevada got it up the ass on that one for, what, the promise of maybe a hundred jobs? And do you think he would be playing with space rockets if you and I weren't funding that, instead of NASA?

And I live in a very upscale place where I see four or five Teslas a day, because the rich I hate can afford one for a fucking train station car, and I see zero charging stations. The only one I've ever seen was near my hotel in Glenwood Springs last winter. One. What good is it unless it's a few blocks from your destination. What, oh, dear, we're almost out of juice, dear. Let's stop at the charging station a few towns away and sit there for many hours to charge up. Right.

**MontuckyFried** · 10-09-2014, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Face it, if it was possible, the Chinese would be there, with Buffet's help.They've been trying real hard, since they have no oil and their air is unbreathable.

And actually, they ARE working on getting into China (and Japan) as well. Here's where their charging stations will be by the end of next year:

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Not too shabby. Oh yeah, and the juice is free.

For fucks sake, man, how old are you? Nothing is fucking free.

**MontuckyFried** · 10-09-2014, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

What, oh, dear, we're almost out of juice, dear. Let's stop at the charging station a few towns away and sit there for many hours to charge up. Right.

Try 20 minutes, bub. You must not know much about the Tesla.

**4matic** · 10-09-2014, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mazderati

A bit sadistic given his penchant for close proximity to the same group.

Urban planning requires low income housing in proximity. The help has to live somewhere.

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Try 20 minutes, bub. You must not know much about the Tesla.

Whatever. I can fill my tank in two. And run 400 miles. And there's a station on most corners.

**mcsquared** · 10-09-2014, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

OK, that's another thing about Musk. All the fan boys think he is such a visionary, but he's such a whore for government support and tax breaks. Everyone knows that this whole thing won't work without charging stations everywhere, but, who's going to build them?
.

I could be wrong but I think the charging station in Summit was built by the owners of the outlet mall. To attract Tesla people to stop and get some Chipotle and maybe some chinos at 40% off.

**mcsquared** · 10-09-2014, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Whatever. I can fill my tank in two. And run 400 miles. And there's a station on most corners.

And yours cost money. And who do you think built those corners? That's right the tax paying sucker.

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

Urban planning requires low income housing in proximity. The help has to live somewhere.

Don't go there. I've seen your neighborhood.

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by mcsquared

And yours cost money. And who do you think built those corners? That's right the tax paying sucker.

That gas station is paying a ton of taxes.

**PNWbrit** · 10-09-2014, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Whatever. I can fill my tank in two. And run 400 miles. And there's a station on most corners.

Think how many more threads you could start in that 20 minutes a day re-juicing your Tesla.

You could maybe even start a blog....

**4matic** · 10-09-2014, 12:39 PM

A 50 mile commute in SF Bay Area to a company that provides charging cuts real cost of a Tesla Model S in half. A Nissan Leaf provides positive cash flow.

Another attempt to take out the lows at 1920 just got rejected. $INDU up less than 1% ytd.

**4matic** · 10-09-2014, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Don't go there. I've seen your neighborhood.

I'm the help.

**Timberridge** · 10-09-2014, 12:41 PM

Musk better keep up, apparently cold fusion is here

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...ty-of-gasoline

Long nickel, short copper.

**Benny Profane** · 10-09-2014, 12:42 PM

Originally Posted by 4matic

A 50 mile commute in SF Bay Area to a company that provides charging cuts real cost of a Tesla Model S in half. A Nissan Leaf provides positive cash flow.

Another attempt to take out the lows at 1920 just got rejected. $INDU up less than 1% ytd.

I'm hazy on the math there. Isn't that car like 90,000 bucks?

And, funny thing how the Leaf, the "affordable" electric car, ain't selling for shit. Wonder why?