Another JONGish Salomon 914 question

[Hugh Jass]

I picked up some S914s on Ebay. The claim is that they're on 17mm risers. As I look at them, there is no riser plate at all. Just a little plastic and metal to hold the mount screws to the skis. Last year I got some S912 ti bindings from backcountry.com. They showed up with risers almost a cm high, and with wide brakes even. I'm a complete alpine binding JONG. Did backcountry.com style me, or am I missing some parts with the Ebay purchase?

[Vicious]

Well, without actually seeing the binder, it sounds like you are missing the risers (a 17mm riser should be quite noticeable). If you don't end up getting the risers, be sure that your shop (or whoever mounts them) checks that the screws are the propoer length as you wouldn't want to mount the screws that go with the 17mm riser without the riser unless you want permanent brakes sticking out the base of your sticks.

[Hugh Jass]

Thanks. I guess I'm trying to figure out if I should have a toepiece, heelpiece, and a shim for each. Not sure if each shim is a separate component, or if they are integrated with the toe/heel piece. I was assuming it would be integrated, but there is no way there is 17mm of rise from the topsheet there.

[runethechamp]

There should be a separate shim for the toe and heel.

[Hugh Jass]

There should be a separate shim for the toe and heel.

Thanks dude.

[Mechmaster]

There are three versions of the 914. The 914 Axe+ has the larger risers (Axe+) under the toe and heel. The 914 FIS has a flat mount for the toe and a "shim" (~3mm) under the heel. The 914PE2 has the PE2 plate which is continuous under the entire binding.

The PE2 riser bolts to the ski, then the ski mounts to the riser. The other risers are bolt-through.

The riser sets are interchangable. Be sure to verify the screw length.

[Hugh Jass]

Ok. That rings a bell. Mine are the 914 FIS. I can confirm that there is essentially no riser under the toepiece, and maybe 3mm under the heel. I don't think the screws that were included are long enough to accommodate any riser at all, so I'm assuming the proper length screws are included with whatever riser I get.

Thanks.

[bossass]

I concur with everything said. Here's my good deed for the day:

On the toe, the plastic part with the AFD(two white triangular thingys) NEEDS to be there for the binding to work. If it isn't, then you got sold something missing parts. (I'm pointing to this in the pic) If it is there you can mount directly to the ski. If my mind serves me correctly, I had some s914 Axe + bindings that have the extra plastic lifter. I think the whole thing that i had in the pic just mounts to the riser. Of late Salomon has been listing S914s as S914 FIS 17(or 22 or whatever). This doesn't necessarily mean that it comes with a 17mm lift, but rather that it stands 17mm off whatever you are mounting it too. Racers use this info when picking aftermarket lifters so as not to go over FIS legal limit.
On the heel, if you don't have the grey plate thingy, or a thin black one like it, like on mine, then you are again missing parts. If you have a full toe, like I showed above, and the heel without the grey plate, your screws will be too long and your boot will be leaning back when locked in (usually not desirable). When you get the Axe+ lifter kit from Salomon aftermarket, then you swap this grey plate for a thicker one. You can get this kit from a shop for around $30 or you could order either the grey plate or the AFD plate on the toe from Salomon for around the same price.

Your bindings should look like this if everything is there.


Oh, and S914s have never come with wide brakes stock.

[Hugh Jass]

Mr. Ass,

Much obliged.

Sincerely,
Mr. Jass

PS --
Toepiece: I have the 2 white triangular AFD things, but not much underneath. I'll have to look again tonight.

Heelpiece: I definitely do not have the gray part in your photo. Perfect light and beautifully composed, by the way. AKPM should take note.

Your final photo is the one used in my Ebay auction. Hmmm. Decidedly odd. Tonight I'll have to compare that photo to what I received.

Thanks again.

[bossass]

I have the 2 white triangular AFD things, but not much underneath. Your final photo is the one used in my Ebay auction. Hmmm. Decidedly odd. Tonight I'll have to compare that photo to what I received.

Thanks again.

Right. The black plate under the brake pad in the ebay photo is what you should have. This is the S914 FIS 17. 17 is the mm stand height of the bindings, the lowest stand height offered by Salomon on the 914. It sounds like you have what you should. You didn't get hosed, in fact IMO this would be the most desireable 914 version for a powder or park ski. Now you just need some fat brakes. In fact, I sold you those bindings, Sucka. JK, but I did steal the photo off ebay since I couldn't find an acceptable one on Salomon's website.

FYI, screws should stick out about 7 or 8mm from the base of a binding. The shop should always check this before mounting and if they dimple, or god forbid puncture, your bases make sure you are compensated fairly, like new skis.

[dorfke]

Sorry to get this back out of the archives, but have a related question. I recently bought some salomon 912ti's edge but they came without any small shims/plates for the toe and heel piece (the gray ones seen in the picture). Can I mount these directly on my skis or should i try to find these shims/plates, or will this just not work?

pic of th ebinding (they came without the pilot plate)
http://www.ski-bilek.de/ebayserver/M...rossmax_v8.jpg

[XtrPickels]

The AFD will not work without a shim under the toe of the binding. Seeing as though that has to be there and lifts the front of the boot, the shim on the rear binding is needed so that your toes are not higher than your heels

[dorfke]

Ok so I need two shims for theses binding to work, great that the shop "forgot" to mention that when selling these. Or I'm stupid, that's another option.

So where can i find these shims/plates for the toe and the heel? Anyone has any lying around? Can these be ordered? Where?

Damn this sucks

[hoarhey]

Interesting.
I had the S912 binding with the PE plate on my skis.
Decided to change and put a S912Ti I had on another pair.
I also decided to try mounting them flat, removed the PE plate.
The shop did it for me, and also torque tested the bindings without shims.
They checked out ok.
It's the same spheric AFD.

I will ski this setup next week in Colorado.
I will report back after skiing.

Not sure what to think here.

[dorfke]

Keep me posted, interesting if the bindings would actually work, in contrary to what pickels told.

[hoarhey]

Interesting.
I had the S912 binding with the PE plate on my skis.
Decided to change and put a S912Ti I had on another pair.
I also decided to try mounting them flat, removed the PE plate.
The shop did it for me, and also torque tested the bindings without shims.
They checked out ok.
It's the same spheric AFD.

I will ski this setup next week in Colorado.
I will report back after skiing.

Not sure what to think here.

Self quote: I actually looked at my skis yesterday, and dammit if there isn't a small plastic riser below the toe-piece. I'll try to get pictures up in the next day or so. Sorry for the confusion dofke. Maybe I should give my local shop a leetle more credit.

[dorfke]

Would be great, thanks
Im' trying to contact the original shop who sold me these to check if they actually mounted these on some pairs.

[hoarhey]

Here are pictures of my S912Ti binding flat mount. I will ski them this week for the first time.

Note that the skis are packed already.





Hope this helps.
Shit the pictures are small.
A little help for this photo posting jong please?

[hoarhey]

I skied the last 2 days.
Big difference.
Ramp angle change.
I feel much more in the backseat, dofke.

Be aware.

GEorge

[dorfke]

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So anyone knows where i can find such a grey riser plate thingy (under the heel piece as in the picture of bossass)?

Woud shops have something like this in stock?

[wildstyle]

Dorfke, can you post up pictures of the toepiece please. I just want to make sure what they have sent you.

I would be very surprised if ski bilek would not send you the whole binding. The grey piece in the phot is not essential.

There is a smaller shim on the toe and heel which is fine.

[dorfke]

WS> it's the following auction http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/Bindung-Salo...QQcmdZViewItem

Basicly it's a normal toepiece and a basic heelpiece but the grey riser plate is missing. It was a binding for an old pilot plate but they claim on the auction that it can be mounted flat on every normal ski (so without the pilot plate). Unfortunately my camera is missing in action somewhere in budapest. But I've compared it to the ones i have mounted on otehr skis and they definately are the same also the toe pieces) but the grey plate is missing.

Are you sure that you don't need the grey plate?

Btw I emailed ski belek 4 times (two weeks ago) and no answer yet, not to satisfied with them

[wildstyle]

As long as you have the small BLACK shim under the toe piece and heel piece, you'll be fine.

As long as you have the bit highlighted by the red arrows, you will be fine.

[GapersGoHome]

Just throwing in my $.02, I have my 190 Got's mounted up flat, w/o the 17mm riser. Plate in the toe still, but not the heel... They work great, no complaints. I don't notice the toe being higher than the heel at all; in fact, I think it helps keep the nose up a bit in pow. No qualms on the groomed, either, it still holds a great edge. No calf/shin problems compared to a similar setup (Line Mothership Ti 193 w/ the 17mm riser), and they ski just as well as those on the 'roy. But, I DO notice a little better feel/tips-up sensation with the gotamas.

[hoarhey]

Here are my 2 cents after skiing on the binding with shim on toe and none on heel.

After 5 days on this setup, I am feeling more comfortable. I notice less tip diving than before with the axe plate.

I am relieved to say the least. I was really concerned after the first day of skiing and the reduced ramp angle. Glad that I have been able to adapt.