Coaching young kids sports teams

[booner]

the lakers?

Canandaigua...good guesses though

[Marshall Tucker]

Junior tennis. Junior mashall played Little league through 12yr old, I saw everything bad that's written up in this thread and while I belevie he enjoyed it, he chose tennis at that age. Junior tournament level, It's proven to be incredibly more merit-based, with a fraction of the parental interference of team sports. The kids have to make their own line calls, and it's amazing seeing the integreity most of the kids show. you see some bad apples but you know going forward who they are. There are teams, and you do see the parent shit on the high school team, but overall much less than baseball.

[Timberridge]

Can someone explain the epidemic of 4-5th grade boys crying after losing games?

I was just at 2 Ripken playoff games this past w/e in my town, and it was uncomfortable. The second baseman was crying after letting a ball roll between his legs and time had to be called to console the kid. Then the whole team was crying after losing the game.

For chrissakes, what the hell is happening with kids today?

[MMP]

so much for no crying in baseball


pussies, tell them to knock it off.

[MMP]

this guy gets it.

Rhode Island coach speech after loss in LLWS


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11373945

[booner]

this guy gets it.

Rhode Island coach speech after loss in LLWS


http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:11373945

I think he might be the coach of Mount St Charles HS hockey team in Woonsocket. I know one of the Belisles coaches the team.

One of the most successful teams anywhere in any sport.



Sent from one of those fancy cellular telephones

[Timberridge]

Oh gawd, more crying. Was watching a bit of one of the LLWS games the other night and the frigging pitcher was crying...as he was pitching.

[4matic]

Oh gawd, more crying.

I remember crying in baseball; thrown out stealing third in the championship game. I remember it like it was yesterday because it cost us the game. It's reminds me of the guys here talking about how tough they were in freshman football. 12 year old boys cry. Always have always will. If you don't care about losing you're probably a loser.

[Timberridge]

I remember crying in baseball; thrown out stealing third in the championship game. I remember it like it was yesterday because it cost us the game. It's reminds me of the guys here talking about how tough they were in freshman football. 12 year old boys cry. Always have always will. If you don't care about losing you're probably a loser.

I played baseball all my life, through college and still play today in an adult league. I enjoyed winning, disliked losing, but I am most upset when I do not perform well on a personal level. I just figure if everyone plays their best and we get beat, the other team is just better.

I don't recall ever stealing third and getting caught in a championship game either, so I've never been subject to that emotional trauma. Not because I was Lou Brock, but because I was slow and due to my lack of speed it never dawned on me (or my third base coach) to steal third. You should see someone for counseling if that still bothers you.

Yeah, so I just don't recall crying in baseball. I must be a loser, or didn't care about winning as much as others, I suppose. I do think I shed a few tears when I broke my wrist after diving for a ball. But I remember cussing more after that than crying.

I did cry when my dog died, and also when my mom died, so I know I'm not emotionally vacant.

[MMP]

the kid that is now a senior and the QB of our HS football team, cried every single day at practice when I had him as a player in the youth program, at least until 6th grade.

another kid that I coached dropped three snaps (during PRACTICE) in a row and was crying in the huddle. I had to remove him, you cant have the QB blubbering the calls and snap count in the huddle.

[old goat]

So I get a call from the league commisioner last night.
Some concerned parent has reported my extensive use of the F-word.
I'm going what are you talking about and assured him that this did not happen.
So I think about it, one of the better players on my team is named Huck.
Huck wants to be team captain and I have coached him in the past.
So when I yell " huck get up field" or " cut him off Huck" it might sound like something else from 60yds away.
First game today, those little fucks better win or there's gona be some ass kicking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17iR1yHqzg

Great sign Wooley. Should also say "Your kid is more likely to get hit by a meteor than make the big leagues".

I recently heard an old Car Talk episode where they got on a rant about Little League. Their position - no league, administrators, coaches, parent helpers, umpires, etc - just throw some bats, balls, gloves, etc. on the field. Let the kids make up the rules, pick the teams and call the pitches/plays. This'll teach them imagination and cooperation as well as get exercise and have fun.

Parents can show up only if their kid gets severely injured - compound fracture, unconscious for more than 15 minutes or arterial bleeding.

Agree with this. Most of the ball I played was pickup--we managed to get kids to show up, pick teams, play without parents or other adults having anything to do with it. Not sure our folks even knew where we were. Too bad kids don't get to play sports without adults around. And when's the last time you saw kids playing pickup soccer? The best organized sport is swimming--because the kids can't hear their parents when they're racing.

my oldest son played ultimate in high school. no coach, refs, input from parents. problems? zero.

My kid played B team ultimate at Cal--I do remember some very lengthy discussions in the middle of games, but it did get worked out without punches.

Same kid swam and played water polo in HS. Probably slowest swimmer on both teams. His last swim meet--metros--he was in the consolation heat for his event, the 500 free, outside lane. The volunteer asst coach, whose kids were the fastest on both teams, paced my son up and down the pool (is that legal?) and helped him beat his best by about 15 seconds. Turns out he swam for a college coach who gave the most attention to the slowest kids. Paying it forward.

[Smoova]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17iR1yHqzgThe best organized sport is swimming--because the kids can't hear their parents when they're racing.

Unfortunately, the other parents can hear them. Watching adults scream at 7 year olds whose heads are completely under water is a truly surreal experience.

[old goat]

Unfortunately, the other parents can hear them. Watching adults scream at 7 year olds whose heads are completely under water is a truly surreal experience.

I said it was good for the kids--sucks for the parents. "Next event is 47 heats of girls 6 and under 25 yard freestyle, and we're not starting until we get some parents out here to time, because the ones who were timing have all been taken to the hospital with heat stroke." Polo is fun to watch though. My kid may have been slow but he was good at making other people slow without getting caught.

[Smoova]

"Next event is 47 heats of girls 6 and under 25 yard freestyle, and we're not starting until we get some parents out here to time, because the ones who were timing have all been taken to the hospital with heat stroke."

Holy shit! My kids swim on the same team as yours!

[Cono Este]

There is nothing fair or rational about little league. We've lost countless games to coaches (5 of them), who all live n the same block, playing their half soldiers in positions they don't deserve. I stay because I don't think it's any better elsewhere, just sucks when your 10, and throw 11 strike outs in 4 innings and lose because of infield errors by the coaches kids.

Sooner or later if they don't win, and mo matter who they play. the parents turn on the coaches. I let the other parents do the dirty work.

[Timberridge]

What's alarming to me about the LL I'm seeing on TV this week is these kids are throwing curve balls at the rate of about 30-40 per 80 pitches even as the top orthopedists in the sport tell people kids should not be throwing breaking pitches until they older (the rule of thumb is when you start shaving). I'm torn between thinking LL and the ESPN announcers should be ashamed of themselves for promoting arm injuries, and not giving a shit about what other people and their kids do.

[4matic]

What's alarming to me about the LL I'm seeing on TV this week is these kids are throwing curve balls at the rate of about 30-40 per 80 pitches even as the top orthopedists in the sport tell people kids should not be throwing breaking pitches until they older (the rule of thumb is when you start shaving). I'm torn between thinking LL and the ESPN announcers should be ashamed of themselves for promoting arm injuries, and not giving a shit about what other people and their kids do.

Old Wives Tale. Like weight lifting and swimming used to be considered bad for baseball and golf. Complete nonsense. Overuse is the issue. LL and Ortho's should focus on arm conditioning and strength.

[Timberridge]

Old Wives Tale. Like weight lifting and swimming used to be considered bad for baseball and golf. Complete nonsense. Overuse is the issue. LL and Ortho's should focus on arm conditioning and strength.

So in addition to being an expert in Human Resources and Employee Relations, you now are an expert in orthopedics? It's all that as well, and I realize it's not the sole cause. But I dunno, if Dr. Andrews says it could be bad, and you say it isn't, I hope you don't mind if I listen to Dr. Andrews.

And who ever said weight training and swimming were bad for baseball? I never heard that in 30 yrs I've played. Or did you just invent that as well?

[4matic]

So in addition to being an expert in Human Resources and Employee Relations, you now are an expert in orthopedics?

Doctor's don't know whether the arm was damaged by curve balls or overuse. They are guessing. There is no research that supports curve balls cause more stress. I know anecdotally that when I pitched that a curve ball was easier on my arm. Back then we pitched every day and sometimes twice a day.

Dr. James Andrews:


“Myth: The biggest risk factor for elbow injuries in young pitchers is the curveball.”

Not true. Too much competitive pitching and pitching while fatigued are the biggest risk factors. While biomechanical research and epidemiologic research have not shown a strong connection between curveball and elbow injuries.

[Timberridge]

Doctor's don't know whether the arm was damaged by curve balls or overuse. They are guessing. There is no research that supports curve balls cause more stress. I know anecdotally that when I pitched that a curve ball was easier on my arm. Back then we pitched every day and sometimes twice a day.

So you went from "complete nonsense" to "doctor's don't know whether the arm was damaged by curve balls or overuse?"

One would think if it was the latter you would avoid both if you were LL.

But again as I said before, I'm torn between giving a shit about what other parents and coaches are doing with their kids and players.

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Edit: Since you rather hastily threw that quote in I'll give you a pass, but in the future if you are going to quote someone put in the whole quote for context and don't selectively quote.

PD: What are your thoughts on youngsters throwing curveballs?

J.A.: Throwing a curveball has a neuromuscular-control dynamic. In other words, it takes a lot of natural ability at a young age to throw that pitch. It's a complicated pitch. If you throw it with good mechanics, it doesn't have any greater force on your shoulder than throwing other pitches, but you've got to throw it correctly. It's misleading to say it's OK to throw the curveball with good mechanics because the rub is, most kids don't throw it with good mechanics. My rule of thumb is, don't throw the curveball until you can shave, until your bone structure has matured and you have the neuromuscular control to be able to throw the pitch properly.

[4matic]

So in addition to being an expert in Human Resources and Employee Relations, you now are an expert in orthopedics? It's all that as well, and I realize it's not the sole cause. But I dunno, if Dr. Andrews says it could be bad, and you say it isn't, I hope you don't mind if I listen to Dr. Andrews.

And who ever said weight training and swimming were bad for baseball? I never heard that in 30 yrs I've played. Or did you just invent that as well?

Random search. Nonsense been around for decades:


"you see, swimming, especially the freestyle swimming stroke and the butterfly swimming stroke, can cause a lot of forward shoulder impingement. It was reported that 12% of college level swimmers experienced impingement while they were performing the crawl stroke (also known as the freestyle). This is not good for baseball players or pitchers.

Any kind of shoulder impingement is bad and can lead to more pain, inflamed shoulders, and weaker arms. If the chance of injury doesn’t scare you from not swimming, let me tell you why it doesn’t really even help to swim as a baseball player or pitcher."

[4matic]

J.A.: Throwing a curveball has a neuromuscular-control dynamic. In other words, it takes a lot of natural ability at a young age to throw that pitch. It's a complicated pitch. If you throw it with good mechanics, it doesn't have any greater force on your shoulder than throwing other pitches, but you've got to throw it correctly. It's misleading to say it's OK to throw the curveball with good mechanics because the rub is, most kids don't throw it with good mechanics. My rule of thumb is, don't throw the curveball until you can shave, until your bone structure has matured and you have the neuromuscular control to be able to throw the pitch properly. [/I]

There isn't a successful pitcher alive today that didn't throw a curve ball in youth baseball. Every baseball player fiddles around with a curve ball.

[Timberridge]

I'm pretty sure I could randomly search the internet and find out that getting a blowjob before a big game is a no-no as well. You should limit the random searching and read whole articles, even those written from viewpoints you oppose. It helps with critical thinking.

[old goat]

Random search. Nonsense been around for decades:


"you see, swimming, especially the freestyle swimming stroke and the butterfly swimming stroke, can cause a lot of forward shoulder impingement. It was reported that 12% of college level swimmers experienced impingement while they were performing the crawl stroke (also known as the freestyle). This is not good for baseball players or pitchers.

Any kind of shoulder impingement is bad and can lead to more pain, inflamed shoulders, and weaker arms. If the chance of injury doesn’t scare you from not swimming, let me tell you why it doesn’t really even help to swim as a baseball player or pitcher."

Gotta love it--don't do a sport that's some of the best aerobic exercise around so you can do a sport where you spend most of your time sitting around and chewing tobacco.

[skiballs]

I decided not to coach soccer this fall. The new coach is a 6'2" 240lb guy from Ireland. The first three games the boys win easily, based on raw talent. This Saturdays game the boys play an equally talented team that is well coached. Well our new coach does not handle things well. First off the guy is a good 5-8 yards onto the field during most of the game. Second he starts giving the 15yr old female ref a bunch of crap. Third he doesn't play the weaker players at all during the second half. I told the guy after the game that he needs to play all the players and this morning he sent out and email apologizing for not getting all the kids enough playing time. My question for the coaches out there. What should I tell this guy about the absolute shitty example he is setting for the kids. Do I bust this guys balls and tell him if acts like an ass again, I will have him removed as coach.