Running, Anyone...?

**Elkhound Odin** · 05-29-2012, 07:34 AM

I finished the Bolder Boulder yesterday beating my previous best BB finish since 2003 by over a minute. I guess the old legs had something left in them afterall. Although, I think the new racing flats were the real difference.

**lionelhutz** · 06-02-2012, 10:14 AM

God I want my knees back to full health.....

GRRRRRRR

**Tuckerman** · 06-08-2012, 07:07 AM

I was given a free number in this race,maddog fitness challenge. And once again was shut out of the top 3. I won a gift cert for tacos, a road ID, and a free entry next year for coming 4th (results). It was my first obstacle style race and it was kind of fun I guess. The kid in front of me skipped an obstacle not that it would have mattered to me, it would have taken him maybe 50secs at the most but I think he pushed out the 3ed place guy who was in a different wave of runners. I feel they needed to station a person at every obstacle to keep people honest.

Is this the norm for these types of event to let people run on the honor system?

**deeppo** · 09-30-2012, 04:13 PM

Just past the 1000 mile mark for the summer. My first summer running, no pavement, mostly trails and dirt roads. Its been fun but im looking forward to the winter. Ski boots are sounding nice after smacking my toes at least 500 times this summer on roots and rocks.

**Stu Gotz** · 10-02-2012, 06:34 AM

Was wondering if anyone on the board has run the Miwok 100? Thoughts?

**Tuckerman** · 10-02-2012, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by Stu Gotz

Was wondering if anyone on the board has run the Miwok 100? Thoughts?

I have not but looks like fun.

**OldLarry** · 10-02-2012, 08:09 AM

still loving the running and getting out on the regular, though not for much longer than 6 miles or so, which is frustrating. Just time constraints on the weekends/laziness.

Not really an injury per se, but getting some pain in the knees from time to time when they are bent to a certain degree, like 1/4 of the way. Odd- also need to be careful when I stop for a sec (dog pooping, etc) and go to re-accelerate. Anyone else have this?

**GeezerSteve** · 10-02-2012, 09:18 AM

Originally Posted by OldLarry

Not really an injury per se, but getting some pain in the knees from time to time when they are bent to a certain degree, like 1/4 of the way. Odd- also need to be careful when I stop for a sec (dog pooping, etc) and go to re-accelerate. Anyone else have this?

Oh yeah. It's called chronic arthritis. Get used to it and keep moving. Welcome to the club. I take Glucosamine Sulfate/Chondroitin 2X a day and it seems to help but YMMV.

Originally Posted by Stu Gotz

Was wondering if anyone on the board has run the Miwok 100? Thoughts?

I haven't run Miwok but many friends have, a few friends have won it and the RD is a friend. SO Anita ran the 2012 MiWok on an altered course with 2000' extra verts, which resulted in record DNFs and lots of dismayed people. She loved it, but said it was tough and would have been a better experience with the original course. Word is that the RD will take out the extra verts for 2013. I hear the race is a great party. I've run most of the course (some in the 2003 Headlands 50K). Much of the race course is comprised of fast firm trails. A big wild card is whether the marine cloud layer will stay or lift. If the clouds stick around, temps stay down <70F. If it lifts, it can get up into the 90s. If you do run it, at the starting line yell out "Big Steve says hi," and you'll likely get some smiles. : )

**OldLarry** · 10-02-2012, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Yeah, of course. It's called chronic arthritis. Get used to it and keep moving. Welcome to the club.

I haven't run Miwok but many friends have, a few friends have won it and the RD is a friend. SO Anita ran the 2012 MiWok on an altered course with 2000' extra verts, which resulted in record DNFs and lots of dismayed people. She loved it, but said it was tough and would have been a better experience with the original course. Word is that the RD will take out the extra verts for 2013. I hear the race is a great party. I've run most of the course (some in the 2003 Headlands 50K). Much of the race course is comprised of fast firm trails. A big wild card is whether the marine cloud layer will stay or lift. If the clouds stick around, temps stay down <70F. If it lifts, it can get up into the 90s. If you do run it, at the starting line yell out "Big Steve says hi," and you'll likely get some smiles. : )

Does anyone know if Chronic arthritis is on the approved list in CT for chronic bubonic?

**GeezerSteve** · 10-02-2012, 09:59 AM

Yeah okay, maybe it's osteoarthritis, not chronic, but it sure sounds like some flavor of arthritis. It aint going away so learn to roll with it, OL.

**OldLarry** · 10-02-2012, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Yeah okay, maybe it's osteoarthritis, not chronic, but it sure sounds like some flavor of arthritis. It aint going away so learn to roll with it, OL.

pun intended, surely.

**GeezerSteve** · 10-02-2012, 10:41 AM

yup : )

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**4matic** · 10-02-2012, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by OldLarry

still loving the running and getting out on the regular, though not for much longer than 6 miles or so, which is frustrating. Just time constraints on the weekends/laziness.

Not really an injury per se, but getting some pain in the knees from time to time when they are bent to a certain degree, like 1/4 of the way. Odd- also need to be careful when I stop for a sec (dog pooping, etc) and go to re-accelerate. Anyone else have this?

I have the same trouble. My speed is limited by joint pain-stiffness. I have to spend so much time warming up that it's annoying. Once I'm warmed up it's good. Definitely arthritis and I'm about 15lbx overweight which makes a huge difference running.

**GeezerSteve** · 10-02-2012, 11:19 AM

I've been living with arthritis so long that dealing with it has become second nature and I thus need to think with some deliberation before I can comment. A few things come to mind:

The current consensus is to keep moving, even if it's at a slower pace. That my knees tend to get stiffer and sorer if I take more than a couple days off confirms this. I force myself to get out -- at least for a walk -- the day after an ultra, high route, big ski tour, etc.

If you decide to try a glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin supplement, give it at least a month. Some research suggests that it works for around 50% +/- of the population. I'm one of the fortunate 50% that is helped by it.

If you tele, get some AT gear. Worked for me. Heh

**OldLarry** · 10-02-2012, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Big Steve

I've been living with arthritis so long that dealing with it has become second nature and I thus need to think with some deliberation before I can comment. A few things come to mind:

The current consensus is to keep moving, even if it's at a slower pace. That my knees tend to get stiffer and sorer if I take more than a couple days off confirms this. I force myself to get out -- at least for a walk -- the day after an ultra, high route, big ski tour, etc.

If you decide to try a glucosamine sulfate/chondroitin supplement, give it at least a month. Some research suggests that it works for around 50% +/- of the population. I'm one of the fortunate 50% that is helped by it.

If you tele, get some AT gear. Worked for me. Heh

good scoops- ty

**GeezerSteve** · 10-02-2012, 11:25 AM

One more:

Learn to love the 10-11 minute mile waddle. My 6 minute mile pace days are long gone but waddling is just as fun. If you are a birdwatcher, buy some compact binos or a good monocular.

**Mofro261** · 10-02-2012, 11:49 AM

oddly my knees seem to hurt more when I slow way down, I think because I am more prone to heel strike at the slower pace and get a bone on bone jolt in the knee. No arthritis for me yet based on the last MRI's, just missing too much medial meniscus. Daily glucosamine/condroitin supplements for at least 4 yrs now- but I'm not sure it does much for me.

**GeezerSteve** · 10-02-2012, 12:25 PM

Mofro, sounds like you might want to alter your stride and/or get shoes with a heel drop. I changed my stride a few years ago because I was experiencing the same thing, i.e., more pain at slower speeds. Aging >> slower pace, ergo. . . . You can stop that heel slap by rotating your COG forward and get the feel of a midfoot strike.

**char** · 02-15-2013, 03:30 PM

Looking for some input on combining strength training and 5k running training.

I am currently following this running plan:

http://www.halhigdon.com/training/50...te-5K-Training

I'm on week 4 going into week 5. I am not training for a 5k specifically. I am just not a distance runner. I get bored. This just gives me something to follow since I am not creative with this kind of thing. 8 week goal is to run a sub 21 min 5k.

I also do strength work. I steal a little from here a little from there when formulating workouts. (Mountain Athlete, Crossfit, exrx.com, Mens Fitness, whatever) I try to incorporate some "for time" work (like 4 rounds 15 - 24 inch box jump and 10 scotty bobs) along with more conventional stuff. IE - bench press

I also do the Armstrong Pullup routine daily Mon-Fri. (goal = 15 dead hang pullups)

I'm not a crossfit person because some of the oly lifts really fuck with my back and I've learned my lesson to stay away from them. (yes, form, find a coach, etc. Not interested, body says 'stay away from that shit or I will make you lay on the floor for 2 days and eat muscle relaxers.)

The question is: Should I just do upper/upper/lower mon/wed/fri? Or is there a better way to incorporate it? I'm trying to keep the leg work away from the tempo and intervals on wednesday.

I've read that you can sort of gauge overtraining based on morning resting heart rate? Any truth in that?

Thoughts?

**GeezerSteve** · 02-15-2013, 03:41 PM

Training for a 5K? Really?

That program looks pretty old school. Read about modern aerobic theory, e.g., Maffetone. Or, better yet, just get out and run. I learned to love running as soon as I stopped keeping such close track to interval times, accumulated distance, etc.

Originally Posted by char

I've read that you can sort of gauge overtraining based on morning resting heart rate? Any truth in that?

In theory, if you checked resting HR consistently for an extended period of time and control for other things, e.g., alcohol you drank the prior evening, diet changes, quality of sleep, quantity of dope smoked, etc.

Better to just get out there and run.

**jfost** · 02-15-2013, 04:32 PM

running messes up your lifting, unless you do sprints. Keep the cardio high-intensity.

you can do hills and stairs and stuff...

**char** · 02-15-2013, 04:41 PM

Theoretically I'm training to run a really fast 1.5 mile and do a certain amount of pullups, pushup and situps, not a 5k. I don't really write anything down, I will just go out and run 3 miles look at my watch and say "wow, slow today fat ass" or "hmm, that'll work".

I'm not going to run a 5k race or anything. It just gives me something to shoot for and gives me a schedule. If I don't have a schedule and a goal, I won't do it, just how I am. Especially in the winter when I end up on a treadmill.

**Cono Este** · 02-15-2013, 06:35 PM

I have been trapped at the campo the last 10 weeks, running is all I can do, and damn does it shed the pounds. Still, I can not do more than 3 miles without my back or something going out. But, I have noticed that when i switched to running every day, alot of the smaller aches and pains went away. Ive also fought off some bad heel spurs by stretching 2x a day and warming up with a .5 mile walk.

Getting old sucks.

**shroom** · 02-15-2013, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by jfost

running messes up your lifting, unless you do sprints. Keep the cardio high-intensity.

you can do hills and stairs and stuff...

maybe if your goal is to be an Olympic lifter. i've been running distance the past 5 years and my lifting abilities and muscle mass are just fine. i'd agree that i can only bulk up to a certain extent due to calorie loss associated with running long distances, but unless one's goal is to move around some serious weight, running is great. my personal opinion is that about 75% of guys in the gym would be happier if they ran for 30 mins out if their 90 min lift session rather than simply lifting and being another fat+strong dude. (disclaimer: i lost 70+ pounds when i started running in college, and it changed my life. so yeah, im a fan)