Nikon D600 Sony RX1

[Eldo]

Full frame D600 for $2,100. RX1, full frame sensor in a compact camera (but spendy.)

These are amazing times for digital cameras.

[freak]

rx1 sounds cool. i think i would like a fullframe compact. of course i wouldnt spend so much money on one, but i think its missing some things, esp. for that price. most important, id want it to have a viewfinder...

freak~[&]

[smmokan]

I was thinking of switching over from Canon to Nikon for the D600, but I had hoped the price would be closer to $1500-1600. At $2k plus, it's not worth it just yet.

Canon is rumored to be announcing the 6D soon.... hopefully they'll bring it in under $2k. If they do and it's similar to the D600, I'll have a couple of bodies for sale.

[josef]

smmokan- are there features that you wanted that the d600 doesnt have or do you just want a ff camera for $1500-$1600? Just curious.

[smmokan]

I think the D600 has most of what I want... maybe a slightly higher FPS, but I think it's well spec'd for what it is.

The main issue is the price... from my perspective, a $1500-1600 price point would have made the decision easy to sell my Canon gear and switch to Nikon. However, add another $500 and that's not such an easy move since I'd likely lose value in some of my Canon lenses and bodies when selling them. Now I'll just wait for Canon's next move and go from there.


BTW, one of the features I REALLY like in Nikon's recent FF cameras is the ability to switch to crop (DX) mode. My favorite Canon lens is the 15-85mm IS, and if they had a FF body that would accept it in crop mode, I would be a very happy camper.

[Supermoon]

Looking for an upgrade to my D90. Looks the the D600 could be it.

Seems maybe a little under spec'd as compared to say a 7D which had basically the same specs two years ago.

[Ski to Be]

This is the camera I have been waiting for. I like having a video mode for skiing combined with a great still camera. The glass is going to cost more than the camera. I felt that the d800 was too many megapixels and I would have to upgrade all of my computers. My wallet is in for a beating.

[splitter]

damn it...

now my pictures will suck

(maybe they already did)

but now they definitely will....

having said that, I have a wedding in mammoth this weekend, perhaps I'll end up being the gear whore fella...

[josef]

I think the D600 has most of what I want... maybe a slightly higher FPS, but I think it's well spec'd for what it is.

The main issue is the price... from my perspective, a $1500-1600 price point would have made the decision easy to sell my Canon gear and switch to Nikon. However, add another $500 and that's not such an easy move since I'd likely lose value in some of my Canon lenses and bodies when selling them. Now I'll just wait for Canon's next move and go from there.

BTW, one of the features I REALLY like in Nikon's recent FF cameras is the ability to switch to crop (DX) mode. My favorite Canon lens is the 15-85mm IS, and if they had a FF body that would accept it in crop mode, I would be a very happy camper.

I agree. I was think it would come in a little lower (around 1800 or 1900). Ive already got Nikon glass though so this is sort of a no brainer for me. Im really excited about the expanded video capabilities with it. As far as the fps I am not that worried. I am more worried about the buffer. The new processor hopefully wont bog down as fast as my d7000 which has 6fps. The buffer in these cameras is really the limiting factor.

[smmokan]

It looks like the Canon 6D is going to be a reality soon, according to CanonRumors.com and a few other sites. Hopefully it's similar in spec and slightly less expensive than the Nikon equivalent. I think if the Nikon D600 was a few hundred less, it would have convinced me to pull the trigger. As it is, maybe I'll just wait 6-12 months for the price to drop or for used bodies to hit the market.

[Chainsaw_Willie]

... The new processor hopefully wont bog down as fast as my d7000 which has 6fps. The buffer in these cameras is really the limiting factor.

All the pre-release hype over the D600 had everyone thinking it was going to be a $1600 camera. I sure was hoping it would be but that seemed almost too good to be true, and it turned out that way.

Totally agree on the buffer. When shooting raw the buffer in the D7000 is only 11 frames. At 6fps it fills up quick and then the frame rate slows to about 1.5 fps or slower. Very frustrating when skiing with large groups and trying to capture shots of everyone.

The problem isn' the processor, it's the write speed to the SD cards. A single 16mp RAW file is in the neighborhood of 20-24 MB. Even using class 10 30mb/s cards you're only going to get ~1.5 frames/sec written.

Hopefully Nikon realized this was a problem and increased the internal buffer size. With a 24mp sensor, the problem could actually be a lot worse without a big buffer. I haven't gone out and looked at the official specs yet, hopefully they not only increased the buffer size but put a CF slot in it.

[josef]

smmokan- I just read something today on photorumors.com stating the 6d was going to come in around $2500. Obviously only rumors so we will see. Specs look similar to D600.

Chainsaw-D600 has 2 sd slots. So I guess it may have the same issue as the d7000.

[smmokan]

smmokan- I just read something today on photorumors.com stating the 6d was going to come in around $2500. Obviously only rumors so we will see. Specs look similar to D600.

Chainsaw-D600 has 2 sd slots. So I guess it may have the same issue as the d7000.

Funny, CanonRumors.com said $1999. If it's $2500, forget it.

[josef]

Yah looks like $2,500 was a conversion from the Japanese price in Yen. Price in US could easily be $2000.

[Eldo]

Remember when you used to be able to buy a full frame SLR that shot 6 FPS for up to 36 frames, and it cost less than $1,500?


















Of course you then had to drop the film off and wait to get the prints developed.

[josef]

You still can.

[Hugh Conway]

Remember when you used to be able to buy a full frame SLR that shot 6 FPS for up to 36 frames, and it cost less than $1,500?


















Of course you then had to drop the film off and wait to get the prints developed.

Remember when you could get full frame compact cameras with nice controls?

[AKgeoSkier]

The real steal of this whole thing will be the D700. Price is going to drop super quick once the 600 hits the market, so if you want a cheap full frame that is actually built like a pro camera, go that route, as of now you can get one used in pretty solid condition for ~1600, I assume within the next few months, that will drop to 1300-1400$. By all means a steal for a camera that good. You just don't get 24mp...

[smmokan]

The real steal of this whole thing will be the D700. Price is going to drop super quick once the 600 hits the market, so if you want a cheap full frame that is actually built like a pro camera, go that route, as of now you can get one used in pretty solid condition for ~1600, I assume within the next few months, that will drop to 1300-1400$. By all means a steal for a camera that good. You just don't get 24mp...

Another feature I like about the D600 (and 6D, hopefully) is the smaller size. I want a do-it-all camera I can take with me for skiing and biking, and the smaller size would be perfect.

As for the D700, I already have a Canon 5D, so that would be overkill for me personally. The combination of a FF with 18-20MP and a relatively fast FPS is what I'm looking for... around $2k.

[josef]

The real steal of this whole thing will be the D700. Price is going to drop super quick once the 600 hits the market, so if you want a cheap full frame that is actually built like a pro camera, go that route, as of now you can get one used in pretty solid condition for ~1600, I assume within the next few months, that will drop to 1300-1400$. By all means a steal for a camera that good. You just don't get 24mp...

D700 prices should definitely be coming down. I doubt they will fall through the floor but they should be reasonable pretty soon. The only reason I didnt go that route was because the D700 doesnt have video which is something I need from my cameras.

[Ski to Be]

I like the 24 mega pixels. Just for having some crop factor. When some of my buddies have my camera shooting me and others skiing they don't seem to zoom in enough and by the time I crop it to frame the subject the photo looks grainy. I am moving from a D80 so this will be a big jump.

[alpinevibes]

The real steal of this whole thing will be the D700. Price is going to drop super quick once the 600 hits the market, so if you want a cheap full frame that is actually built like a pro camera, go that route, as of now you can get one used in pretty solid condition for ~1600, I assume within the next few months, that will drop to 1300-1400$. By all means a steal for a camera that good. You just don't get 24mp...

This will be a tough decision (when i have a few grand to finally upgrade...)

[Chainsaw_Willie]

I don't get why people bitch about the build of the D7000/D600 bodies. They're very solidly made, feels like a brick in the hands. Not anything like the D3xxx/D5xxx bodies which are tiny plasticy things.

Yes, they're smaller and not a full magnesium frame. I guess if you have big hands and drop your camera a lot that could be a drawback. However, for ease of carrying around the smaller body is a win. I can't imagine lugging a D700 around when skiing and backpacking. The D200 was bigger than the D7000 (though smaller than the D700) and I was glad to "downgrade."

[AKgeoSkier]

Don't get me wrong, There is nothing wrong with the D7000/600 body at all. And for all intents and purposes, the D600 is a better camera all around than the D700, I was just chiming in for the people who were saying 2k$ was too much, that they will soon be able to go full frame for cheaper if they are willing to give up video and higher resolution. It's a tempting upgrade for me, because I agree, a smaller, lighter camera would be nice in many situations, and I've been tempted in the past to go for a D7000, but couldn't give up FX.

[smmokan]

The 6D was just announced and I'm very underwhelmed. I'm not sure why I'd ever pay $2100 for this camera when a used (and new) 5D2 is less, and it's a proven performer. Oh well, I guess I'll stick with my 5D/T1i combo for a while.