GUNS!!!!!!!!

**TNKen** · 04-01-2010, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by Donkey Punch

On a side note, anyone have any experience with 10mm? I am starting to strongly consider one over a 357 sig. So far I have heard no downsides except finding ammo.

The caliber is making a comeback. Glock makes the G20 in 10mm and a smaller version. Bunch of S&W 10mm's still around, and they are now making a revolver.

The Bren 10 is being re-introduced. Still a bunch of Colt Delta's around.

I have a S&W 1076 that is a great gun, which was the model used by a bunch of law enforcement. The FBI liked the caliber, but it was too "heavy" for some of their smaller statured lightweight employees.

Ammo is around, but pricey. About the same price range as the .357 Sig.

**zion zig zag** · 04-01-2010, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Jer

That is the only downside I'm aware of. At least 10mm is way easier to find than .357 Sig

I've been seeing both around here lately. That being said the only 10mm I've seen lately are the medium velocity loads and not the original 'full strength' loads. For that reason and a few others, if it were between the two, I'd get the 357sig.

**zion zig zag** · 04-01-2010, 03:10 PM

But, it's a moot point for me, I like 9mm the best.

**Tye 1on** · 04-01-2010, 03:36 PM

Isn't 10mm the same as .40 cal?

**Jethro** · 04-01-2010, 03:42 PM

Originally Posted by Tye 1on

Isn't 10mm the same as .40 cal?

Same diameter, but different cartridges. The FBI tried the 10mm for a while, but it was too powerful for some and the gun's grip was too large. S&W made the .40 which is a kind of 10mm "special" which is less powerful and a shorter cartridge.

**Tye 1on** · 04-01-2010, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by ZGjethro

Same diameter, but different cartridges. The FBI tried the 10mm for a while, but it was too powerful for some and the gun's grip was too large. S&W made the .40 which is a kind of 10mm "special" which is less powerful and a shorter cartridge.

Got it, thanks. Guess they wouldn't have cared for my former Sig 225 .45's grip either then...which is too bad, i've only owned four handguns, but that was by far the favorite.

**Jer** · 04-14-2010, 06:25 PM

What do you chaps think of this:

Tech Sight rear aperture sight for Yugo AK-47

I've been considering one of these. It nearly doubles the sight radius.

**Parvo** · 04-14-2010, 07:05 PM

Get both.

If that’s not possible, my vote is the Kimber. Both are great but the Les Baer to me is like a collector’s handgun. I’d hate to take it shooting, camping, etc. It wouldn’t be my daily shooter, I’d want to pass it on to my great grandchirren. I will own their 1911 some day.

Jer, nice sights. I have pop-up rear flip sights on my ARs but never thought about mounting such a thing on my AK.

To the gun show! This weekend at the South Towne Expo Center!

**TNKen** · 04-14-2010, 10:21 PM

Helping a friend through the 1911 dillema. We're looking at the STI series at www.dawsonprecision.com If you want a hi-cap .45, the STI 2011 line will get you there. Fair warning, must have big hands.

Also looking at the Ed Brown guns and Wilson Combat.

**TNKen** · 04-15-2010, 06:16 AM

Saw a Kimber Elclipse Custom II yesterday that was very nice. Too bad they are made in New York.

Is even a single stack Kimber outlawed in Cali? Figured the double stack, hi caps 2011 series was, but a traditonal 1911??

**Parvo** · 04-15-2010, 07:51 AM

front serrations look whack imo... and do you ever really need them?

**TNKen** · 04-15-2010, 10:54 AM

Actually, some instructors teach a technique to move the slide to see if the gun is loaded using the front serations. If you are right handed, the left hand comes under the gun in front of the trigger, and with the thumb on the left side, index and middle fingers on the right, move the slide back a half-inch or so to check the weapon.

Personally, I've never used it, but some do. All but one of my 1911's are slick on the front.

Favorite serrations are on the S&W Performance Center .45's. They are cut in like fish scales.

Ken

**TNKen** · 04-15-2010, 08:09 PM

Lots of bucks for a 1,500 round gun with finish wear. Look around on www.gunbroker.com and www.gunsamerica.com and see what you find.

Right now is a buyer's market on used guns. Lots of folks parting with stuff to make ends meet.

**Jethro** · 04-15-2010, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Jer

What do you chaps think of this:

Tech Sight rear aperture sight for Yugo AK-47

I've been considering one of these. It nearly doubles the sight radius.

If you get that, post your opinion. I have an ad for that ripped from a magazine but I have not ordered one yet. I really need a tool to drift the front sight as I am off about 4" to the right at 100 yards. Hopefully the new sight has windage also.

**Jer** · 04-19-2010, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by ZGjethro

Hopefully the new sight has windage also.

They have windage only and windage and elevation. I ordered the windage adjustable only since I can always adjust elevation up front. It should be getting here in a couple days.

I also want to get an actual flash suppressor for the AK. I've got a Vortex on my .308 which reduces the flash down to zero, but I can't justify blowing $90 for one to put on an AK. Looking at a YHM Phantom instead.

**Jethro** · 04-19-2010, 06:40 PM

I have the vortex on my AK, but I felt it was worth it since it is a nice machined receiver model, and not stamped metal. Looking at the photo more closely, does the rear sight mount to the dust cover? I hope not since they are kind of loose on top of the gun.

**TNKen** · 04-19-2010, 07:58 PM

Interesting, the AK sight replaces the rear guide rod assembly, then adds a dust cover. Not sure it's that stable.

**bitchtits** · 04-19-2010, 08:02 PM

do shotguns count???

**TNKen** · 04-19-2010, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by bitchtits

do shotguns count???

Unless they are .410's!!! Anything that goes bang counts.

**Parvo** · 04-20-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by TNKen

Interesting, the AK sight replaces the rear guide rod assembly, then adds a dust cover. Not sure it's that stable.

particularly with your face right behind the assembly and dust cover... unless you spray semi-automatic gunfire from the hip like they do in Hollywood.

**Jethro** · 04-20-2010, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by Parvo

particularly with your face right behind the assembly and dust cover... unless you spray semi-automatic gunfire from the hip like they do in Hollywood.

Parvo, I do not get your point. Is it about safety, accuracy, or hip shooting?

The rod guide seems more stable than the dust cover. I used to have a red dot zero magnification sight on my gun. I removed it because the scope mount wrapped around the dust cover and had to be removed to remove the dust cover.

Jer, if you get the rear sight, please post your opinion of it. This has kind of renewed my interest in my AK.

**Jer** · 04-20-2010, 06:15 PM

Just got the Tech Sight install done.

Minus:

-it's not "drop in". I had to grind the reciever cover a bit to get it to fit. You also have to remove the original rear sight which is a pain in the ass.

-instead of pushing one pin and depressing the little lever at the back of the reciever cover, you now have to push in two opposing pins. They are small and you can't push them both in with just your fingers. So field stripping is a bit more difficult, tho probably not as as bad as a side-mount scope base. You can do it - it's just a little more of... a pain in the ass.

Plus:

-the sight is solid. If there is any woble, there is a set-screw to snug everything up. I didn't have to use the set screw. The sight is separate from the dust cover.

-I like the aperature (I usually prefer aperatures to blade-type sights).There are two aperatures you can flip between: short range and a higher long-range.

Iffy stuff:

- I think if you were a really tall gangly guy (long LOP) your eye would end up too close to the aperature. Fits me fine. This is on a Yugo M70AB2 underfolder.

I haven't shot it yet. I hate the original blade sight. It's not so much that it's a blade sight - I've got a blade on my K-31 and like it fine - it's the ultra-short sight radius. I don't like electronic do-dads, so the Tech Sight seems like a good alternative. Like I said - it's solid. Zero play. It looks at least as durable as the original sight.

**Jethro** · 04-20-2010, 06:54 PM

Thanks for the info. I will look at this sight soon. I am with you about the short sight radius. Even though these guns a sloppy in their tolerances compared to bolt guns, their intrinsic accuracy probably is better than most shooters can do with open sights, me included.

Another question. Have you heard of under or side folding stocks for milled receiver guns? Whenever I see them they are for stamped receivers.

**Jer** · 04-20-2010, 07:01 PM

My Yugo has a milled reciever. I'm sure Tapco sells a folding stock (or at least a telescope) for pretty much any fixed stock AK. I've seen a lot of nicer stock options from other companies as well.

Besides the short sight radius, I think one of the reasons AKs have a rep for inaccuracy is the steel cased ammo most guys shoot. Brass makes quite a difference (or maybe it's that Wolf is sloppy in their metering). Plus a lot of people who just don't know how to shoot own AKs. I suppose that could be said of ARs as well.

**leroy jenkins** · 04-20-2010, 07:48 PM

Finally got a "real" scope on my sig 556, a IOR 2.5-10 with the mildot based reticle, pretty cool how the ranging and everything works with the mildot system, although I'm still learning it.

250 and 300 yard targets can be seen if you look close. Fun shit.

Oh and jer, i think ak's rep for inaccuracy comes from combat in 3rd world countries where the guys with ak's haven't cleaned them since before the guy's with ar's (or their rifles) were born.