John McMain

[lifts4turns]

What do they feed you at the republican conventions? They seem to get a boatload of crazys.

[lax]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR hun, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Benny Profane]

I'm guessing that this is making any Republican in the belt the most nervous about the "war" they've been in 4 or 5 months. McMain going down in flames, that is. (edit: heh heh, I made a joke. Going down in flames. get it?.....)

Next I'd like to see that pompous ass Leiberman lynched over the Greenwich town square. I want to spit every time he talks down to me.

[Arty50]

McCain has always scared me. However, his scariness has now been eclipsed by Rudy. Holy shit is that guy whacko.

[Core Shot]

It's in the Coors.

heh
heh heh
heh



It's no accident that Coors is the right beer in America
Coors beer is owned by the Coors family; a powerful, wealthy family that funnels the money it gets into hundreds of ultraright wing movements from neo-Nazi groups to anti-environmental think tanks. Founded by Adolph Coors, the Coors empire is a very influential force in the U.S. government. All of the information here has been well documented by civil rights and environmental groups and also in a heavily footnoted book, The Coors Connection.

The Coors family has always had strong ties to neo-Nazis. Adolph Coors allowed KKK meetings and cross-burnings on brewery property in Colorado. In 1984, Bill Coors fought against passage of the Civil Rights Act, telling an audience of black businessmen that blacks don't succeed because they "lack intellectual capacity." After encouraging them to go back to Africa, he said that one of the best things slave-drivers did to American blacks "was to drag your ancestors over here in chains" because blacks in America have greater opportunity than those in Africa. Joe Coors is a major contributor to the Moral Majority, which has called for the imprisonment of gay persons with AIDS. The Coors family funds a right-wing sector of Christian fundamentalism, which seeks to replace democratic pluralism with so-called "traditional family values" that is, an authoritarian, gender-based social order. They support groups that say homosexuals are an abomination and AIDS is God's judgment on sinners. They have supported Reverend Sun Myung Moon and Christian Reconstructionists, both of whom have called for the abolition of U.S. democracy and the establishment of a theocratic state ( . . . one nation under God, or else).

Coors family members have sat on boards of groups with people like a former Indiana KKK leader, apartheid supporters and ultraright Christian Reconstructionists calling for the execution of homosexuals, adulterers and blasphemers.

Coors is fiercely anti-labor, having broken 19 unions in 20 years and having blocked OSHA inspectors from investigating workplace hazards which led to the death of Coors employees. Coors supported the National Right to Work Committee, an anti-worker group out to destroy unions.

Coors has supported terrorist activity in many foreign countries, including the Contras in Nicaragua, who have ambushed and killed civilians, murdered teachers and medical workers and destroyed rural schools and medical centers in order to help the CIA take over their government.

Coors is one of the largest dumpers of hazardous waste in Colorado. They’ve been cited many times for water pollution and have been caught covering up known pollution including contamination of multiple underground springs where toxic chemical solvents contributed to irregular heartbeat, unconsciousness, pulmonary edema and death.

Joe Coors was one of a small group of people with ready access to Presidents Reagan and Bush. Joe and his brother Bill both belonged to a since-exposed secret all-male club called Bohemian Grove that Reagan, Bush and other ruling class figures such as the Secretary of Defense and mass media executives (but no reporters) would attend. Coors also funded the Parental Music Resource Center, a pro-censorship group with strong ties to the religious right. The PMRC was led by Al Gore’s wife.

Joe Coors started the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank seeking to abolish civil rights laws, minimum wage laws, environmental laws, affirmative action, rights for the handicapped and arms control. He chose a neo-Nazi author of an Aryan supremacy book as co-editor of their publication, "Policy Review." They have sponsored forums for pro-Nazi groups and have funded the work of a convicted Nazi collaborator.

In the summer of 1996, the Heritage Foundation did a huge mailing to voters telling them to support Republican Senator Bob Dole for President. In the letter, Dole promised to abolish the federal departments of education, housing, transportation and energy. Right in line with libertarian rhetoric, they would have government off of corporate America’s back and no social safety net for the people.

When Coors commercials used to brag that they are the "right beer now," they weren’t kidding. Coors also owns Zima, Killian's Irish Red and Masters Beer.


Sources:

The Coors Connection -- How Coors Family Philanthropy Undermines Democratic Pluralism by Russ Bellant (1991; 154 pgs; well-documented with 287 footnotes; published by South End Press
-A lot of the info above was drawn from 3 different boycott factsheets from AFL-CIO, Pledge of Resistance and Student Environmental Action Coalition, which were largely sourced from the above book.

-The reference to Bohemian Grove is from a book from Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR), a media watch-dog group that explains about the formerly secret, all-male club that the executives of Time-Warner attend, amongst others. A reporter from People magazine (owned by Time-Warner) snuck in once before getting kicked out. He tried to uncover the story, but before it went to print, it was suppressed. The reporter's story is available from FAIR. The book is called Adventures In Medialand.

-The reference to the Parent's Music Resource Center (PMRC) and Tipper Gore's involvement can be confirmed in the speeches of former Dead Kennedy's leader and political activist, Jello Biafra on his spoken word album, No More Cocoons. His group was bankrupted by the PMRC and he is the founder of the No More Censorship Fund.

-The reference to Dole's campaign is from a mailing that was done on Heritage Foundation letterhead supporting Dole for president.

-Explanations of what some of the various foundations that Coors funds can be found, besides in the Coors Connection book, in the Greenpeace Guide to Anti-Environmental Groups.

[Benny Profane]

Yeah, but, on top of all that, Coors sucks.

[13]

i'm never buying coors light again.

[Tippster]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....

AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above'
Tuesday, July 17, 2007

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON —

And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... none of the above.

The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight.

In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months of polls.

A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months.

"Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine," David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. "The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable."

More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past month.

A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June.

Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March.

The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent.

None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 percent support _ roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been married for three decades, was in the single digits.

Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited about any of the prospects.

"I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?" she joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most serious contenders. "Isn't that sad?" Then she reached a conclusion: "I just don't know."

Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries aren't for another six months. "People really don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days," he said.

On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds.

Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she said, "It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very strongly."

The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent.

Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent.

While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa.

Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks.

The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage points for Democrats.

[mr_gyptian]

Personally I'd love to see Chuck Hegel run. Great fucking guy.

He puts the ass back in Gas Bag.

[brice618]

I have a feeling conservatives are going to end up with a split vote and Hillary will end up getting elected. This is a sad, sad feeling.

[Tippster]

He puts the ass back in Gas Bag.

Huh? 'splain, Lucy.

[RootSkier]

I have a feeling conservatives are going to end up with a split vote and Hillary will end up getting elected.

You really think she'll get enough write-ins after Obama wins the primary?

[montanaskier]

Really sad that none of these clowns do this for the service to the country anymore. It is all about getting and staying elected to some of the best paying, benefits having, jobs possible. Not about you or me anymore from either party.....bunch-o-dummies

[brice618]

You really think she'll get enough write-ins after Obama wins the primary?

Thats assuming he wins, hes got quite a battle with such little experience to bring to the table. He better be a very charming man.

[Danno]

Really sad that none of these clowns do this for the service to the country anymore. It is all about getting and staying elected to some of the best paying, benefits having, jobs possible. Not about you or me anymore from either party.....bunch-o-dummies

It's not about money or benefits. These folks could make far more in the private sector. It's about power, about feeling important, way more than it is about $.

[PNWbrit]

The same thing scares me about him that does with Hilary.

They both crave the Presidency too much.

[Hutch]

yeah, who would spend 2 years and $150 million to make $400k and stress out for 4 years? Either a messiah complex (current occupant), megalomaniac (last occupant) or altruism (FDR?).

[sftc]

"The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable."

... 2 scary words, Jeb Bush.

The GOP will prop him up and make him run, the same way they did it with W. And a lot of people will be stupid enough to vote for him.

[MassLiberal]

The same thing scares me about him that does with Hilary.

They both crave the Presidency too much.

???????


PNWBrit, I'm generally in agreement with you on most points, but this has me a little flumoxed. I wouldn't really want someone who didn't want to be president doing the job.

And I would disagree with this statement regarding Obama, he was pushed into this by the people surrounding him.

I can see the statement holding some water with regard to hillary. Every move that she has made since Bill left the White House was made with an eye towards the presidency, I'm not quite sure if I see that with Mr. Obama.

[PNWbrit]

Masslib - trying to be elected president, aspiring to be president, feeling qualified to be president is different from McCain & Hilary's almost carnal craving for it.

That's who/what/why it scares me.

Other points of concern are that McCain is a spittle flecked, border line senile bitter old man who seems prepared to align with anyone and say anything that get's him a step closer. That and I find the whole concept of "war hero" rather disturbing and not something that should be regarded as a qualification for a head of state.

[grrrr]

At some point the polarity of the right wing zealot control of the Republican Party and the special interests control of the Democrat Party may pop a hole big enough for a viable candidate from somewhere near the middle who doesn't kow-tow to the freligous fruitcakes or the mobbunions to get elected...wouldn't that be something.

[rip]

At some point the polarity of the right wing zealot control of the Republican Party and the special interests control of the Democrat Party may pop a hole big enough for a viable candidate from somewhere near the middle who doesn't kow-tow to the freligous fruitcakes or the mobbunions to get elected...wouldn't that be something.

Ron Paul?

[mr_gyptian]

Huh? 'splain, Lucy.

I'm tired of these congressman that are playing this BS line that they were some how fooled by Bush and Cheney. Fooled, mind you, by a president they all think is an idiot. Secondly, his attempt to discount McCain's take on Iraq saying that he had no idea what it was like "on the ground" in Vietnam. He was on the ground in a prison for how long?

secondly, I'm surprised you'd support a guy that went to Washington as a staffer and returned home to leverage his connections to profit from telecommunications in Nebraska.

[Griz]

Personally I'd love to see Chuck Hagel run. Great fucking guy.

I'll second that Tippster. He really strikes me as an independent thinker. On a personal note - I met him at an event in Omaha, NE during some speaking tour in 2002. Through a network of friends, etc... I was briefly introduced and the subject came up that I was getting married that coming summer.

Fast forward... I was re-introduced to him (by the same people) a few years later at a OCS Marine Corps graduation for one of my friends. After I told him my name and shook his hand, he asked "how was the wedding?"

[mr_gyptian]

Huh? 'splain, Lucy.

http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/det...fm?id=189649&&


"Although no one doubts our forces will prevail over Saddam Hussein's, key regional leaders confirm what the Foreign Relations Committee emphasized in its Iraq hearings last summer: The most challenging phase will likely be the day after -- or, more accurately, the decade after -- Saddam Hussein.

Once he is gone, expectations are high that coalition forces will remain in large numbers to stabilize Iraq and support a civilian administration. That presence will be necessary for several years, given the vacuum there, which a divided Iraqi opposition will have trouble filling and which some new Iraqi military strongman must not fill. Various experts have testified that as many as 75,000 troops may be necessary, at a cost of up to $ 20 billion a year. That does not include the cost of the war itself, or the effort to rebuild Iraq.

Americans are largely unprepared for such an undertaking. President Bush must make clear to the American people the scale of the commitment."

How did we get from we'll be there for ten years to we should cut and run?

Their op-ed seemed prescient at the time. i wouldn't even mind an I told you so from Hagel. but to now say that we need to cut and run asap is an abandonment of both our troops and the iraqi citizenry that would rival our abandonment of Vietnam.