Official 2007 NHL Playoffs Thread...

[Rontele]

way to cough up the puck in front of the net.

wow. i still haven't gotten over that loss. we really miss schneider and kronwall.

[detroit]

wow. i still haven't gotten over that loss. we really miss schneider and kronwall.

They sure do.
That wasn't the first time they couldn't get the puck out. You never used to see that from the wings.

I am sad in the pants.

[Tippster]

I'm not - I love seeing a good series, and that was a great fucking game. Watch Detroit send it to game 7 on Tuesday in Anaheim!

[Tye 1on]

way to cough up the puck in front of the net.

No shit. Fuckity fuck fuck fuck. Better amp it up Tuesday wingers...

[Crud's Uncle]

The Wings need to work harder at putting rebounds in the net.

[skier0178]

Come on Senators - now's the time to choke!

Not so much. Bringing the cup back to Canada!

[atomicboy]

Not so much. Bringing the cup back to Canada!

Son, that is not going to happen. The cup is going to be won by the representative team from the Campbell Conference.

[sea2ski]

Son, that is not going to happen. The cup is going to be won by the representative team from the Campbell Conference.

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Have you watched the Sens play this playoff season? They have been the best team I've watched and have been in control of every series they've been in.

[atomicboy]

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Have you watched the Sens play this playoff season? They have been the best team I've watched and have been in control of every series they've been in.

Yes, I have watched the Sens and they have great game. The description you gave above sounds exactly like the last Wings/Ducks game or the series in general. The Wings owned the Ducks in game 5 and in the series overall but the Ducks won game 5 and lead the series 3-2. Sometimes the best playing team does not win.

The point I was trying to make was the cup will not be won by the Sens period. Call it the curse of Canada but it will not be won by a team north of the boarder. Why? because it can't and I can't allow it. My wife is from Canada (Winnipeg) and hops on any bandwagon regarding anything having to do with Canada. I like nothing more than giving her a hard time about it. Call me the evil husband but that is the way it is in our household.

If the Sens win the only thing I will have is some bs about the Jets moving to Arizona where they are now cellar dwellers. I can't play that card again.

[goldenboy]

Game on. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let the wings lose. Bertuzzi doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the cup.

[ill-advised strategy]

Game on. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let the wings lose. Bertuzzi doesn't deserve to be anywhere near the cup.

I cancel you out.

officially:
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE let the wings win. Bertuzzi got fucked over by the media and deserves a cup for getting through it.

[Fritz]

Yeah they played better in game 5 but the Wings are getting spanked so far tonight.

[ill-advised strategy]

btw...almost forgot:

[detroit]

That sucks

Why didn't Chelios shake hands after?

[goldenboy]

Bertuzzi got fucked over by the media and deserves a cup for getting through it.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Bertuzzi snuck up on a guy, slammed his head into the ice and broke his neck. End of story. One of the worst moments in sports history, not just hockey history. The media didn't do anything to make it look worse than it was.

No matter, Red Wings lost, Christmas came really early this year. Life is good.

[atomicboy]

That sucks

Why didn't Chelios shake hands after?

I was at the game last night and I thought he went over to greet the coaches and then line up with the players. Reading this morning I guess he did not line up. I just think Chelios did not want to participate out of frustration and sadness. The guy is 45 years old and a warrior and probably played in his last game ever. He is just pissed because he had a great chance to retire on top like Ray Bourque but it was not in the cards.

I really thought Detroit was going to tie the game at the end of the third and win in overtime.

[ill-advised strategy]

I have no idea what you are talking about. Bertuzzi snuck up on a guy, slammed his head into the ice and broke his neck. End of story. One of the worst moments in sports history, not just hockey history. The media didn't do anything to make it look worse than it was.

No matter, Red Wings lost, Christmas came really early this year. Life is good.

nope. it wasn't some random tackle...some guy flipping out because he's psycho, steve moore had hurt the the league's leading scorer with a cheap shot and by the code of pro hockey he had a fight to deal with. But he wouldn't square up so he got checked hard from behind. His neck was broken in the dog pile, which is really sad, but if he was fit to be an NHL player he'd have squared up and dealt with it like players have been dealing with this shit for generations. Instead he dicked around and got crushed in a scrum. I think it may take a long term exposure to hockey to grasp how that works but I think the following are really hard to dispute:

1) it was bertuzzi's role to protect Naslund

2) if Bertuzzi didn't go out and fight/slash/hit moore Marc Crawford would have had to find somebody who would, because letting somebody injure Naslund with no consequence would open the floodgates: every team would know they could go after the Canucks physically without paying the price.

3) There's a point where moore knows a guy's behind him and wants to fight, he can either turn around and defend himself or not, he didn't so he got hit from behind, a fair retaliation for his cheap hit that injured Naslund. The injuries didn't match, but that's a matter of chance.

4) his intent was to take him down, not break moore's neck.

5) if moore had squared up and dropped 'em like a pro hockey player instead of skating away with his back turned, the worst that would have happened would have been that he was knocked out.

I have to guess you're new to hockey or from the south if you don't understand an enforcer protecting a team's best skill player and you'd rather see a team from california named after a children's movie win than an original 6 team from a place that actually gives a shit about the game, a place where kids actually play the game. Weak sauce.

As for the media fucking him over, they covered this like there was no context whatsoever, like it was random violence. Their take on it was similar to yours, with no respect for the history of the game, and the gentleman's understanding of how scores are settled and inequities dealt with. When you take a guy out with a cheap hit in pro hockey, you need to be ready to fight. If you refuse that fight skating away with your back turned, you're probably going to get hit and not see it coming. That's hockey, that's been pretty constant in hockey since our grandparents were playing.

Bertuzzi snuck up on a guy, slammed his head into the ice and broke his neck. End of story.

That's the media's take ^^ but that's obviously coming from somebody who doesn't play hockey. It's not silent, players talk when it gets chippy and guys are pissed. If you've put a cheap hit on somebody and hurt him, you know somebody's coming for you, it's not a sneaky deal, they're going to be talking shit. I'd put my paycheck on it right now that bert's talking to him from 10 feet away right up until he tries to spin moore around and he resists and tries to skate away...it's not a sneak attack on some random guy, it's steve moore trying to get out of paying the price for injuring Naslund and getting what he was owed less the neck injury, which as I said before came from the scrum.

watch this again, he doesn't get hit from behind until it's obvious he's not going to turn around and fight. Then it's almost accidental the way bert goes down on top of him and the scrum just makes it worse.



A media frenzy wrecking a great players career, and bertuzzi was a great player...the best power forward in the game, a new Cam Neely, because some pussies in a broadcast booth and in the front offices are too worried about appeasing "markets" that don't get the game and refuse to learn how it works or read some history and insist on changing it so their dumbfuck sheltered kids can go see soccer on ice to explain the nuances of the game to them and stand up for the game and it's players. It's embarrassing.

at least there's a canadian team still left and the league's not talking about, I don't know, giving yet another team to a place where 99.999% of the people haven't ever even been on skates and don't understand shit about it. I fear for the game with it trying so hard to change shape to fit into Nashville and Phoenix and Dallas instead of sticking to places where hockey doesn't need to be altered to find interest.

I really thought Detroit was going to tie the game at the end of the third and win in overtime.

yeah, me too.

[Crud's Uncle]

I tend to agree with your analysis of the Bertuzzi-Moore incident. However, the hit on Naslund did not look to be a cheap shot. What do you see that I don't?

[Bluebird]

Is there a good reason why there is a 6 day break between the end of the conference finals and the cup finals? I am a big fan of the every other night (w/ exceptions) NHL playoff schedule as opposed to the drawn out NBA scheduling. Why the change??? Why not start tonight or tomorrow? It would still enable a Saturday or Sunday network game.

[ICEHOCEY77]

There is no reason to live no that the Preds are leaving. I'm stunned still.

[powder11]

My wife is from Canada (Winnipeg) and hops on any bandwagon regarding anything having to do with Canada.

her and the rest of canada who are now all overnight sens fans

GO DUCKS!

[goldenboy]

Yetiman-

First off, I feel sorry for anyone who actually takes the time to defend a POS like Bertuzzi.

1- The hit on Naslund was pretty borderline, Naslund was leaning back trying to avoid a hit and got hit in the head as a consequence.

2- Obviously, the whole thing could have been avoided if Moore had just faced off w/ May or Bertuzzi or another Canuck. It was obvious he was going to have to fight, May's "bounty on his head" comment before the game should have made that clear. Moore was chickenshit, I'll give you that.

3- Yes, Bertuzzi was making it clear that he wanted to fight Moore. However, this does not give him the right to sucker-punch him from behind and drive his head into the ice. It was not accidental, it was intent to injure, and Moore broke his neck as a result, not from the scrum. Had Bertuzzi skated in front of Moore and hit him face to face and broken his neck, I would not have the same level of disdain for him. But, guys like Bertuzzi do that shit. You're probably the same kind of guy, aren't you, yetiman- ever break a bottle over some dudes head in a bar when he wasn't even looking like your hero Bertuzzi?

4- Thanks for being the absolute stereotype of a wings fan. Here's a typical wings fan: "Red Wings! blah, blah, blah. Hockeytown, blah, blah, blah. We're original 6. Nobody else knows anything about hockey. blah blah, blah."

I laced 'em up for the first time in '76, at the age of 3. I played as a mite between periods of an NHL game in Denver. Without googling it, the name of Denver's team was... They play where now... You don't have to be from Canada or Detroit to know a little something about the game. So don't pull that "You must be from the south" shit on me.

Hockey in Phoenix, Dallas, and Florida sucks. If you can't play pond hockey in a city, I'm not sure the city deserves hockey. You might agree w/ me on that one. Therefore, go Sens!!!

[freshie247]

Somebody has watched "Youngblood" way too many times! I usually don't weigh in on such matters, but defending Bertuzzi is indefensible from just about any position. Nasland got hurt when his head hit the ice after Moore collided with him.It wasn't a cheap shot,just a poor chioce on Moore's behalf at high speeds while skating at each other.Not to mention he didn't hit Nasland FROM BEHIND!

When your gloves are on you're not considered to be fighting. You see all the time one player challenging another or even dropping one glove & they don't fight.It takes TWO TO TANGO .I guess when Mcsorley tomahawked Brashear ,it was Brashear's fault for not swinging his stick at Mcsorley to defend his challenge.F*CK Bertuzzi in his stupid *ss with a cactus,HE is F*CKING CLOWN SHOES!

That being said, I'm stoked the Wings are out,as well as the Sharks,the Flames & a host of other teams. The Ducks are the best in the west & I'm stoked for them.Same goes for the Sens, they were clearly the best team in the east. I like their style of play & am psyched they KO'd the Devils. It's going to be a great seires & I'm rooting for Ottawa!

[ill-advised strategy]

I see the point about the original hit on naslund not being cheap.

I'm going to guess this without googling so get ready to laugh when I'm wrong, but was it the Denver rockies. Oh fuck, I'm going to be wrong and all will be lost.

yeah, I had a tirade last night. Whatever. I guess I had a shit day or something, Bertuzzi was my favorite player in the league before all this shit went down because he had good skill and he played hard physical hockey. I think all my arguments about the incident itself are valid except that moore's hit may not have been cheap. I still think that you have to go after a guy that's injured your leading scorer or face a league of guys trying to take him out every time he's on the ice.

I'm going to go google denvers team now and probably face bitter humiliation.

[sea2ski]

There is no reason to live no that the Preds are leaving. I'm stunned still.

Another for the list:

California Golden Seals
Colorado Rockies
Kansas City Scouts
Cleveland Barons
Winnepeg Jets
Minnesota North Stars
Quebec Nordiques
Hartford Whalers
Atlanta Flames