Searched the threads, no luck. Kinda torn between these and the 190Katanas. Thanks.
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Searched the threads, no luck. Kinda torn between these and the 190Katanas. Thanks.
Well, I went for it, going to try something different. FYI, anyone who gets these and is wondering about the mounting point - apparently you're really not supposed to go back of the mark. It looks forward to me, but if you go back it locks you into the turn 'cause of the magnetraction.
"but if you go back it locks you into the turn 'cause of the magnetraction."
how do you know this if you've never skied them?
BTW, there were a number of threads about these...really there were (I posted on 'em cuz I have a pair of Mt. Bakers waiting for Duke mount).
:)
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...highlight=Tech
and
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...light=Lib-Tech
I found both of those in about 4 minutes (though I will say that the new Search function here is kinda wack).
HotTate skied the slimmer versions last year and loved em. almost impossible to get exact matches and the "center" line was a paper clip underlay that you could barely see. Took some time to figure out where to mount but he loved em.
I skied on the 188 Parillos all last year. They are a blast to ski. Definitely have a lot of sidecut and are "turny" but I have Nordica W105s or Rossi Axioms when I want to go straight.
The Magne-traction is great, you really lock into carves like riding rails, and the magnetraction edges seemed to smooth out chatter. You can lean as much as you want into your edges they just don't give out.
The skis do have a really big tip so they ski fairly short on groomers, and then when you get into powder they float just as well as my axioms. If I had to take one pair of skis and only one, it would be these. They do everything.
As someone that took a leap of faith and nabbed a pair of last years 188's (98mm waist) this summer: that's what I wanted to hear. Just about anyone that's commented on these has said positive things. Still haven't mounted them so I can't provide any feedback on mount points which seems to be what most people are concerned about.
Tate, pipe up on where you settled for a mount, you've got the redbull sponsorship so I totally trust your opinion on this one.
i'm one of those leap-of-faithers, too.
snagged a pair of Parillos (only buyer's remorse is that i got two "screaming monkeys" and they're a lot pinker and neon purpler than they looked online! they are a bit garish. i kinda wish i'd gotten the straight black ones).
when i told the shop i was planning to make them an AT set-up they thought that was a nifty idea. they're light, that's for sure, and i was looking at their edge grip notoriety to be good in crappy conditions, not to mention the actual running length (about 150cm) to make them good for tight spots.
glad to hear they rip in powder and hold edges when needed.
i PM'd Tate about a mounting point, so if i hear back i'll post the stats.
I flexed a pair of 08's yesterday, I believe that they are a good bit stiffer this year.
Umm, this is why I say that:Quote:
Originally Posted by dookey67
Trevor,
I mount my skis (for skiing) directly over the widest part of the middle bump in the magne-traction. This is right where that dent is, which is where your supposed to mount. Jamie does the same. I mount 3 cm forward of that for jumping. Let him know that if he mounts behind the recommendation dent, the skis don’t ski as well due to the magne-traction. If your mounted behind the widest part of the magne-traction the ski tends to lock you into the turn, making it hard to initiate a new turn or change direction. And the width and size of the nose make the tip rise causing the ski to float much better than most powder skis on the market, so you don’t need to be as far back to keep the nose up. Simply put, LIB puts more into design, and builds a better NAS.
Mike Wilson
i have a pair of both the big powder series (117mm waist) and the freerides. They are sick, to look at least. Fairly light and very stiff, it will take some speed to get em to crank, but that is why I got them. Very burly looking construction, thick edges and solid sidewall.
Mounted right on the dent..................stoked.
OK, so just to be sure I get it (I'm kind of dense) and since you both refer to a 'dent' and a 'bump':
Am I understanding correctly that you mounted the center of the boot sole directly above the widest part of the middle 'bump' of the magnetraction? Or is there some other dent? Don't see a paper clip.....
re: tuning, stumbled on this.....http://www.snowboard-mag.com/node/15389
Ha!
Heh.
My roomate Tory Bland, has prety much been the dude behind the eniter Lib ski project for the last 10+ years.... Hell there is a pair of circa 1992 Lib skis in our living room. So yeah, Lib has put a shit load of time and R&D in to these.
The 188's are pretty much the shit. There hands down the best do it all all moutain ski that I have ever ridden. The carve like ahot knife threw butter on Ice and float better than most wider skis out. Hell the Baker Pro Patrol is now ussing them exclusivly for there work skis.
I got them mounted up with Nx21's and there by far the BEST AT setup I have ever had. In fact its the only at combo that I have had that still skis and performs like a true allmountain alpine ski with the added height of AT binders.
Mount them on the line. Dont fuck around with trying to change the mounting point, as they ski like shit if you do not mount the boot center in the correct spot in relation to the magnetraction bumps. If you screw around with the mounting point you will effect how the ski initializes turns and if this doesnt occure at the correct spot in relation to the bumps you will have issues.
That being said, I would highly recomend the 188's but would hold off on the fatter version intill the next version of that ski is released.
thanks Gunder!
thats' what i want to hear since i'm mounting mine with Dukes and making it my introductory slackcountry rig.
as for the "dent" I have a little box shaped dent at the widest part of the ski on the topsheet. taking this as the mounting point. i'll measure the distance from tip/tail over the weekend and letch'all know here my dent is (i have the 2007 188 Parillos (when they were still 99mm at the waist).
stoked to actually get this baddies out in the white.
GUNDER, why hold off on the new fattys? I've got a pair, are you worried about 1st year skis?
At last! A voice with some experience and authority. Thanks Gunder.Quote:
Originally Posted by dookey67
Yes, much thanks.
What's the waist on the "fatter version?" I have the 188's from last year, I believe they're 98mm.
Will also measure over the weekend if I get a chance for those w/ no refrence mark, mine have the little indent & it says "Mount here. Or Don't" something along those lines :)
^ I didn't even get the "Mount Here or Don't" on mine!
The dims for the 188's I have (Mt. Baker Parillos, 2006/2007) are 99mm at the waist. The new (2007/2008) ones are 93mm, I believe.
The fatties are 117mm, if I'm not mistaken.
117mm of pure beef..................
No, I wouldnt worry about that at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by el hefe
Here is my take, the 188's seem to float and ski pow better than the fats. I can't really say much about next years, since my roomate would kick me out of the house, but I do know that there testing several different prototypes with some very exciting combos.... I.E. they will be improving on a good thing.
Right now the 188's are the shit, and I hope they don't tweak them.
Mounting point is the small indintation on the top sheet. On the 188's I beleive its supposed to be ~33 to 33 1/2 tape pulled taunt from the tail.... It is in the middle of the nuckle.All of the production sticks in the house our currently mounted so I cant really tell for sure. FYI my 188's are 99 in the waist.
I'll have to look for the indent, but haven't noticed it yet. They do have the "mount here or don't" lines.Quote:
Originally Posted by yodaottis
I'm going to mount mine tonight with some Jesters - on the mark. Seems like that's the right call, I just worry 'cause it seems WAY forward and don't know how they'll float in the deep. Guess I can always remount them 3-4 cm back if they blow.
Checked, they're actually 99mm waist on my 188's.
Looks like on the mark is the way to go, not afraid of a lack of float I don't think I've read that from anyone commenting on how they ski so far.
Either way I'm psyched to try them out this season. Mounting w/ axial 2 120 Ti soon.
Axials going on mine too. Found the dent. It does appear forward indeed. Anyone measure to see if the dents are accurately positioned?
just measured my Parillo Mt. Bakers (again they are last year's 99mm as opposed to this year's 93mm).
my dent/dimple is, as Gunder reported, 33.5 cm from the tail (and rougly 40-41cm from the tip).
to my eyes it doesn't seem at all that forward to me.
man, based on Gunder's hype i kinda want to get a pair to mount alpine...then again the Duke's slated for mine should cover the spread.
PS
I think Lib Tech should approach the Queensbridge's legendary MC, Nas, and make an Illmatic version...just a thought. That would be dope.
http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1194116664
(Dane Cook voice) Monnnkkkeyy?
The only real reason I dont ski mine everyday is I like a straighter ski in deep snow.
So Gunder, how about a hint on the next year's fatties. Please tell me they are 190+, have less sidecut, maybe some tip rocker? I would buy those in a heartbeat.
My guess is they are playing with Banana Tech on the NAS. If they keep the magnetraction the NAS will be like the Banana Skate, if they go pow specific it will probably be like the Banana Hammock.Quote:
Originally Posted by rip
I love the fact that Lib is always experimenting and trying stuff out, but I also hate that nothing stays the same. For example Gunder says he loves his 188's with the 98mm waist, that didn't even last one year as it's now 93mm. I guess it's that whole "Trust Mervin" thing.
All that I can say is that magne traction is here to stay on the NAS.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Stikki
I've just got a pair mounted up but haven't ridden them yet, waiting for a big dump. They are stiffer than I expected when flexing them.
Wrong!Quote:
Originally Posted by Stikki
I just measured a pair of the early production, last years production and this years production line. All have 98mm waist. The 93 measurement is if you measure off of the mount line wich has moved 1/2 back from the early production models to this years. Ski measurement off of the center bump is still 98mm.
FYI, My protos are at 33 1/2 inches from the tail, the early production was 33 1/4 inches from the tail, and the new production is 33inches from the tail. Note this is on the 188's..... I would advice mounting them 33inches from the tail, wich is where I have boot center on mine and that is the current spot on the production..... that also has a waist of 93mm at the boot center mark, while the true center point of the waist bump is a full 98mm. There will be 1~2 mm variation depending upon the number of passes on the edge sander at the factory, but out of the mold with one pass is a full 98mm.
Hope that helps...
okay, now i'm confused.
first i swear somebody said to have the boot center situated at the widest part of the ski (the 99mm hump). that's where the mount dimple is on my pair of 2006/2007 Parillos (and it's 33.5cm from the tail).
now you're saying mount 33cm from the tail in the "dip" that's 93mm?
so one would have your boot center at a "hump" and the widest part of the ski and another suggestion would have your boot center at a "dip" that's 6mm narrower.
i've never been steered wrong by the manufacturer line before, so i'll be copecetic if i go for the 99mm hump, right?
and that's funny that the new Mt. Baker's are still 99mm at the hump since the Lib-Tech site lists them as having a 93mm waist this season as opposed to listing them with a 99mm waist last season.
:)
Confusing? no shit! I measured every pair in the house and there is the above changes in the mounting point. Talked with the roomate today, and he said that they where playing around with the mounting point after the skis started into production and decided to move it back, thus the change in the mount dimple locations. My dimple is at 33 1/2 inches from the tail, but when I measured the distance to where the boot center actually is, it is at 33 inches from the tail.... same as on the new skis, and it is infact a bit back from being the center on the magne bump. He was saying that they did that to prevent the first bump from causing the ski to hang up in wind buff / crust etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by dookey67
My pair of NAS pow's have the dent located 34 1/4 from the tail. I wound up mounting mine at 33 inches from the tail(just looked right to me)... I compared the mounting points from my other skis and moved it up a cm because of the side cut.
okay, so 33cm from tail, going once....going twice...?
final push on my end.
mine (2006 screaming pink Parillo Monkeys as pictured by another poster above) have the mounting dimple at 33 1/2 cm from the tail. It's right about center of a Magne hump.
from what i'm gathering (unless I'm misinterpreting Gunder and his Lib-Tech roomie's suggestions) I should bounce back .5cm to 33cm from the tail, which puts me at the downward slope of the Magne bump, no?
or is it really going to make that much difference?
last time i tweaked with a mounting point (on a pair of AR5's) it totally messed with the performance of the ski in myh opinion, thus causing me to more or less stay with the factory recommended line. Of course when the factory keeps tweaking that line...
:)
Damn. Thought we had it all figured out.....
Bump for seeking any new beta? Jigs and clamps have arrived and I'm ready to drill.
Buehler?
Dookey - I don't know if you have mounted them or not yet but I have the same model as you. Mine are mounted with boot center right over the dimple. This lines you up with the biggest of the Magne bumps. I thought it was forward as well from first impressions and it took me a little while to "trust the tip" in soft snow, but the tip on those skis is so goddamn big they float like crazy. I would go right on the dimple for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by dookey67
This year I have new boots that are about 10mm smaller so I will see how they ski with the more forward position.
One more question from me to Gunder or anyone else touring on NAS, how did you cut the skins? Magnetraction skins or use something with a similar shape like the Pistols as a template ski?
Just picked up my Dukes today, so these Libbys'll get mounted within the month.
sadly I'm out of comission with a bum back until Doctor's further notices and the fact that we hain't got a lick of snow in T'Hoe yet, so it'll be a spell before i get to try the screaming monkeys out.
Gunder - do you have any info on where to mount the boot center in for using tele bindings?
I'd like to hear the answer to ^^^^ that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sharcsplean
Some people are measuring in inches & others in cm.... Just be careful. Hopefully noone would mount at 33cm from the tail. Thats only 1 foot. Guess you'd have some serious float in the pow.
So after reading through all the treads about the LibTech NAS and everything i could find on the LibTech site, Im getting really interested and have started to think that the POW might be the scandi-all-kind-of-untracked-snow ski ive been looking for. But theres a few things that Ive still has not found any info about. So if anyone could kindly fill in the blanks if you know I would be very thankful.
How high are the rear tip?
How much camber does they have?
Are they smearable, or does the magnatraction hinder that?