Lib Tech NAS Pow series - anyone skied em?

**Kied** · 10-10-2007, 12:13 PM

Searched the threads, no luck. Kinda torn between these and the 190Katanas. Thanks.

**Kied** · 10-24-2007, 05:50 PM

Well, I went for it, going to try something different. FYI, anyone who gets these and is wondering about the mounting point - apparently you're really not supposed to go back of the mark. It looks forward to me, but if you go back it locks you into the turn 'cause of the magnetraction.

**dookeyXXX** · 10-24-2007, 05:57 PM

"but if you go back it locks you into the turn 'cause of the magnetraction."

how do you know this if you've never skied them?

BTW, there were a number of threads about these...really there were (I posted on 'em cuz I have a pair of Mt. Bakers waiting for Duke mount).

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...highlight=Tech

and

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...light=Lib-Tech

I found both of those in about 4 minutes (though I will say that the new Search function here is kinda wack).

advres · 10-24-2007, 11:44 PM

HotTate skied the slimmer versions last year and loved em. almost impossible to get exact matches and the "center" line was a paper clip underlay that you could barely see. Took some time to figure out where to mount but he loved em.

**rip** · 10-25-2007, 09:29 AM

I skied on the 188 Parillos all last year. They are a blast to ski. Definitely have a lot of sidecut and are "turny" but I have Nordica W105s or Rossi Axioms when I want to go straight.

The Magne-traction is great, you really lock into carves like riding rails, and the magnetraction edges seemed to smooth out chatter. You can lean as much as you want into your edges they just don't give out.

The skis do have a really big tip so they ski fairly short on groomers, and then when you get into powder they float just as well as my axioms. If I had to take one pair of skis and only one, it would be these. They do everything.

**yodaottis** · 10-25-2007, 09:54 AM

As someone that took a leap of faith and nabbed a pair of last years 188's (98mm waist) this summer: that's what I wanted to hear. Just about anyone that's commented on these has said positive things. Still haven't mounted them so I can't provide any feedback on mount points which seems to be what most people are concerned about.

Tate, pipe up on where you settled for a mount, you've got the redbull sponsorship so I totally trust your opinion on this one.

**dookeyXXX** · 10-25-2007, 10:05 AM

i'm one of those leap-of-faithers, too.

snagged a pair of Parillos (only buyer's remorse is that i got two "screaming monkeys" and they're a lot pinker and neon purpler than they looked online! they are a bit garish. i kinda wish i'd gotten the straight black ones).

when i told the shop i was planning to make them an AT set-up they thought that was a nifty idea. they're light, that's for sure, and i was looking at their edge grip notoriety to be good in crappy conditions, not to mention the actual running length (about 150cm) to make them good for tight spots.

glad to hear they rip in powder and hold edges when needed.

i PM'd Tate about a mounting point, so if i hear back i'll post the stats.

**rideit** · 10-25-2007, 10:21 AM

I flexed a pair of 08's yesterday, I believe that they are a good bit stiffer this year.

**Kied** · 10-25-2007, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by dookey67

"but if you go back it locks you into the turn 'cause of the magnetraction."

how do you know this if you've never skied them?

BTW, there were a number of threads about these...really there were (I posted on 'em cuz I have a pair of Mt. Bakers waiting for Duke mount).

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...highlight=Tech

and

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...light=Lib-Tech

I found both of those in about 4 minutes (though I will say that the new Search function here is kinda wack).

Umm, this is why I say that:

Trevor,
I mount my skis (for skiing) directly over the widest part of the middle bump in the magne-traction. This is right where that dent is, which is where your supposed to mount. Jamie does the same. I mount 3 cm forward of that for jumping. Let him know that if he mounts behind the recommendation dent, the skis don’t ski as well due to the magne-traction. If your mounted behind the widest part of the magne-traction the ski tends to lock you into the turn, making it hard to initiate a new turn or change direction. And the width and size of the nose make the tip rise causing the ski to float much better than most powder skis on the market, so you don’t need to be as far back to keep the nose up. Simply put, LIB puts more into design, and builds a better NAS.

Mike Wilson

**el hefe** · 10-25-2007, 12:30 PM

i have a pair of both the big powder series (117mm waist) and the freerides. They are sick, to look at least. Fairly light and very stiff, it will take some speed to get em to crank, but that is why I got them. Very burly looking construction, thick edges and solid sidewall.

Mounted right on the dent..................stoked.

**oftpiste** · 11-01-2007, 10:00 PM

OK, so just to be sure I get it (I'm kind of dense) and since you both refer to a 'dent' and a 'bump':

Am I understanding correctly that you mounted the center of the boot sole directly above the widest part of the middle 'bump' of the magnetraction? Or is there some other dent? Don't see a paper clip.....

re: tuning, stumbled on this.....http://www.snowboard-mag.com/node/15389

Ha!

**Gunder** · 11-01-2007, 11:23 PM

Heh.

My roomate Tory Bland, has prety much been the dude behind the eniter Lib ski project for the last 10+ years.... Hell there is a pair of circa 1992 Lib skis in our living room. So yeah, Lib has put a shit load of time and R&D in to these.

The 188's are pretty much the shit. There hands down the best do it all all moutain ski that I have ever ridden. The carve like ahot knife threw butter on Ice and float better than most wider skis out. Hell the Baker Pro Patrol is now ussing them exclusivly for there work skis.

I got them mounted up with Nx21's and there by far the BEST AT setup I have ever had. In fact its the only at combo that I have had that still skis and performs like a true allmountain alpine ski with the added height of AT binders.

Mount them on the line. Dont fuck around with trying to change the mounting point, as they ski like shit if you do not mount the boot center in the correct spot in relation to the magnetraction bumps. If you screw around with the mounting point you will effect how the ski initializes turns and if this doesnt occure at the correct spot in relation to the bumps you will have issues.

That being said, I would highly recomend the 188's but would hold off on the fatter version intill the next version of that ski is released.

**dookeyXXX** · 11-02-2007, 10:38 AM

thanks Gunder!

thats' what i want to hear since i'm mounting mine with Dukes and making it my introductory slackcountry rig.

as for the "dent" I have a little box shaped dent at the widest part of the ski on the topsheet. taking this as the mounting point. i'll measure the distance from tip/tail over the weekend and letch'all know here my dent is (i have the 2007 188 Parillos (when they were still 99mm at the waist).

stoked to actually get this baddies out in the white.

**el hefe** · 11-02-2007, 11:25 AM

GUNDER, why hold off on the new fattys? I've got a pair, are you worried about 1st year skis?

**oftpiste** · 11-02-2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by dookey67

thanks Gunder!

thats' what i want to hear since i'm mounting mine with Dukes and making it my introductory slackcountry rig.

as for the "dent" I have a little box shaped dent at the widest part of the ski on the topsheet. taking this as the mounting point. i'll measure the distance from tip/tail over the weekend and letch'all know here my dent is (i have the 2007 188 Parillos (when they were still 99mm at the waist).

stoked to actually get this baddies out in the white.

At last! A voice with some experience and authority. Thanks Gunder.

**yodaottis** · 11-02-2007, 02:06 PM

Yes, much thanks.
What's the waist on the "fatter version?" I have the 188's from last year, I believe they're 98mm.
Will also measure over the weekend if I get a chance for those w/ no refrence mark, mine have the little indent & it says "Mount here. Or Don't" something along those lines

**dookeyXXX** · 11-02-2007, 02:23 PM

^ I didn't even get the "Mount Here or Don't" on mine!

The dims for the 188's I have (Mt. Baker Parillos, 2006/2007) are 99mm at the waist. The new (2007/2008) ones are 93mm, I believe.

The fatties are 117mm, if I'm not mistaken.

**el hefe** · 11-02-2007, 02:43 PM

117mm of pure beef..................

**Gunder** · 11-02-2007, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by el hefe

GUNDER, why hold off on the new fattys? I've got a pair, are you worried about 1st year skis?

No, I wouldnt worry about that at all.

Here is my take, the 188's seem to float and ski pow better than the fats. I can't really say much about next years, since my roomate would kick me out of the house, but I do know that there testing several different prototypes with some very exciting combos.... I.E. they will be improving on a good thing.

Right now the 188's are the shit, and I hope they don't tweak them.

Mounting point is the small indintation on the top sheet. On the 188's I beleive its supposed to be ~33 to 33 1/2 tape pulled taunt from the tail.... It is in the middle of the nuckle.All of the production sticks in the house our currently mounted so I cant really tell for sure. FYI my 188's are 99 in the waist.

**oftpiste** · 11-02-2007, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by yodaottis

mine have the little indent & it says "Mount here. Or Don't" something along those lines

I'll have to look for the indent, but haven't noticed it yet. They do have the "mount here or don't" lines.

**Kied** · 11-02-2007, 05:08 PM

I'm going to mount mine tonight with some Jesters - on the mark. Seems like that's the right call, I just worry 'cause it seems WAY forward and don't know how they'll float in the deep. Guess I can always remount them 3-4 cm back if they blow.

**yodaottis** · 11-03-2007, 09:17 AM

Checked, they're actually 99mm waist on my 188's.
Looks like on the mark is the way to go, not afraid of a lack of float I don't think I've read that from anyone commenting on how they ski so far.
Either way I'm psyched to try them out this season. Mounting w/ axial 2 120 Ti soon.

**oftpiste** · 11-03-2007, 10:11 AM

Axials going on mine too. Found the dent. It does appear forward indeed. Anyone measure to see if the dents are accurately positioned?

**dookeyXXX** · 11-03-2007, 10:40 AM

just measured my Parillo Mt. Bakers (again they are last year's 99mm as opposed to this year's 93mm).

my dent/dimple is, as Gunder reported, 33.5 cm from the tail (and rougly 40-41cm from the tip).

to my eyes it doesn't seem at all that forward to me.

man, based on Gunder's hype i kinda want to get a pair to mount alpine...then again the Duke's slated for mine should cover the spread.

PS
I think Lib Tech should approach the Queensbridge's legendary MC, Nas, and make an Illmatic version...just a thought. That would be dope.

**rip** · 11-03-2007, 01:09 PM

(Dane Cook voice) Monnnkkkeyy?

The only real reason I dont ski mine everyday is I like a straighter ski in deep snow.

So Gunder, how about a hint on the next year's fatties. Please tell me they are 190+, have less sidecut, maybe some tip rocker? I would buy those in a heartbeat.