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I used to respect that douchebag.
who is John McMain?
If you wait a week, he'll be available on SAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
Actually, he already sold out.Quote:
Originally Posted by grrrr
bummer. he didn't even get to get started in this campaign for an election that is 1 1/2 years away.
You make it sound like this is a bad thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by stupendous man
can I ask why the change?Quote:
Originally Posted by RootSkier
the M and the C aren't even close on the keyboard.
One reason why I lost all respect for him was during the 2000 election he attacked Bush on his foreign policy experience and during the 2004 election he said he is friends with John Kerry and believes he would make a fine President because but when it came down to it he sold out to the Republican party and campaigned for Bush. Today he talks about how bad King George screwed up the war, but in 2004 he said the President was doing a good job. Too little too late for my tastes.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
His straight talk express bus went over the cliff along with his campaign.
I thought he was not close minded enough for far right and religious right and kept on supporting war which lost him the swing vote. tried to court both and lost both in the process.
Book 'em Kanno.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno
For a man his age, McMain is in pretty good shape.
I'd rather have McCain any day than Obama or Clinton. :biggrin:
By "have" do you mean have in a sexual fashion?Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
Yeah, me too.
I'm going to shudder greatly as I say this, but I'm not even sure that I'd rather have McCain than GWB. He's a weasel, and I wouldn't trust him as far as I can spit.
hard to compete with an actor with a hot wife
:D :D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mofro261
I hope you don't have any kids that will be of draftable age in the next decade....Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
I used to be a BIG McCain fan, especially after he got fucking hosed by Karl Rove in South Carolina. He was always one of my favorite Senators to interview, and seemed to always think before he spoke, and then he meant what he said.
He is now either a shill for the fucking War industry or he's going senile. I have no idea (and neither do the journos who followed him over to Iraq) where he's getting this "it's working" shit from. No wonder the folks who believed in him so much they took poverty-level jobs to work for him are jumping ship.
http://biology.clc.uc.edu/graphics/maple/waffle.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Grange
McCain-Feingold is a good place to start. They're still looking for the black box where his immigration bill and presidential aspirations crashed and burned.Quote:
Originally Posted by DougW
the best part is he still doesn't know it.
All I know I was at the launching of the DDG 60 something USS McCain ( named for his father) and I was pretty impressed with his speech.
No, no kids at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
It almost seems like McCain made a legit run for the presidency back in '00 with the Straight Talk Express but after being beat down by the political machine that is insider politics he realizes that this time he needs to join them, since he can't beat them.
Honestly at this point I don't know what republican I'd vote for, if any. Last election I voted for the libertarian candidate. Back in '00 I voted for Gore. I doubt I'll ever vote for a Democrat again as I've become more of a redneck/conservative since I moved to Colorado.
It's in the Coors.Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneCold
Personally I'd love to see Chuck Hegel run. Great fucking guy.
What do they feed you at the republican conventions? They seem to get a boatload of crazys.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR hun, YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I'm guessing that this is making any Republican in the belt the most nervous about the "war" they've been in 4 or 5 months. McMain going down in flames, that is. (edit: heh heh, I made a joke. Going down in flames. get it?.....)
Next I'd like to see that pompous ass Leiberman lynched over the Greenwich town square. I want to spit every time he talks down to me.
McCain has always scared me. However, his scariness has now been eclipsed by Rudy. Holy shit is that guy whacko.
hehQuote:
Originally Posted by RootSkier
heh heh
heh
It's no accident that Coors is the right beer in America
Coors beer is owned by the Coors family; a powerful, wealthy family that funnels the money it gets into hundreds of ultraright wing movements from neo-Nazi groups to anti-environmental think tanks. Founded by Adolph Coors, the Coors empire is a very influential force in the U.S. government. All of the information here has been well documented by civil rights and environmental groups and also in a heavily footnoted book, The Coors Connection.
The Coors family has always had strong ties to neo-Nazis. Adolph Coors allowed KKK meetings and cross-burnings on brewery property in Colorado. In 1984, Bill Coors fought against passage of the Civil Rights Act, telling an audience of black businessmen that blacks don't succeed because they "lack intellectual capacity." After encouraging them to go back to Africa, he said that one of the best things slave-drivers did to American blacks "was to drag your ancestors over here in chains" because blacks in America have greater opportunity than those in Africa. Joe Coors is a major contributor to the Moral Majority, which has called for the imprisonment of gay persons with AIDS. The Coors family funds a right-wing sector of Christian fundamentalism, which seeks to replace democratic pluralism with so-called "traditional family values" that is, an authoritarian, gender-based social order. They support groups that say homosexuals are an abomination and AIDS is God's judgment on sinners. They have supported Reverend Sun Myung Moon and Christian Reconstructionists, both of whom have called for the abolition of U.S. democracy and the establishment of a theocratic state ( . . . one nation under God, or else).
Coors family members have sat on boards of groups with people like a former Indiana KKK leader, apartheid supporters and ultraright Christian Reconstructionists calling for the execution of homosexuals, adulterers and blasphemers.
Coors is fiercely anti-labor, having broken 19 unions in 20 years and having blocked OSHA inspectors from investigating workplace hazards which led to the death of Coors employees. Coors supported the National Right to Work Committee, an anti-worker group out to destroy unions.
Coors has supported terrorist activity in many foreign countries, including the Contras in Nicaragua, who have ambushed and killed civilians, murdered teachers and medical workers and destroyed rural schools and medical centers in order to help the CIA take over their government.
Coors is one of the largest dumpers of hazardous waste in Colorado. They’ve been cited many times for water pollution and have been caught covering up known pollution including contamination of multiple underground springs where toxic chemical solvents contributed to irregular heartbeat, unconsciousness, pulmonary edema and death.
Joe Coors was one of a small group of people with ready access to Presidents Reagan and Bush. Joe and his brother Bill both belonged to a since-exposed secret all-male club called Bohemian Grove that Reagan, Bush and other ruling class figures such as the Secretary of Defense and mass media executives (but no reporters) would attend. Coors also funded the Parental Music Resource Center, a pro-censorship group with strong ties to the religious right. The PMRC was led by Al Gore’s wife.
Joe Coors started the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank seeking to abolish civil rights laws, minimum wage laws, environmental laws, affirmative action, rights for the handicapped and arms control. He chose a neo-Nazi author of an Aryan supremacy book as co-editor of their publication, "Policy Review." They have sponsored forums for pro-Nazi groups and have funded the work of a convicted Nazi collaborator.
In the summer of 1996, the Heritage Foundation did a huge mailing to voters telling them to support Republican Senator Bob Dole for President. In the letter, Dole promised to abolish the federal departments of education, housing, transportation and energy. Right in line with libertarian rhetoric, they would have government off of corporate America’s back and no social safety net for the people.
When Coors commercials used to brag that they are the "right beer now," they weren’t kidding. Coors also owns Zima, Killian's Irish Red and Masters Beer.
Sources:
The Coors Connection -- How Coors Family Philanthropy Undermines Democratic Pluralism by Russ Bellant (1991; 154 pgs; well-documented with 287 footnotes; published by South End Press
-A lot of the info above was drawn from 3 different boycott factsheets from AFL-CIO, Pledge of Resistance and Student Environmental Action Coalition, which were largely sourced from the above book.
-The reference to Bohemian Grove is from a book from Fairness and Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR), a media watch-dog group that explains about the formerly secret, all-male club that the executives of Time-Warner attend, amongst others. A reporter from People magazine (owned by Time-Warner) snuck in once before getting kicked out. He tried to uncover the story, but before it went to print, it was suppressed. The reporter's story is available from FAIR. The book is called Adventures In Medialand.
-The reference to the Parent's Music Resource Center (PMRC) and Tipper Gore's involvement can be confirmed in the speeches of former Dead Kennedy's leader and political activist, Jello Biafra on his spoken word album, No More Cocoons. His group was bankrupted by the PMRC and he is the founder of the No More Censorship Fund.
-The reference to Dole's campaign is from a mailing that was done on Heritage Foundation letterhead supporting Dole for president.
-Explanations of what some of the various foundations that Coors funds can be found, besides in the Coors Connection book, in the Greenpeace Guide to Anti-Environmental Groups.
Yeah, but, on top of all that, Coors sucks.
i'm never buying coors light again.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....Quote:
AP Poll: GOP Pick Is 'None of the Above'
Tuesday, July 17, 2007
By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON —
And the leading Republican presidential candidate is ... none of the above.
The latest Associated Press-Ipsos poll found that nearly a quarter of Republicans are unwilling to back top-tier hopefuls Rudy Giuliani, Fred Thompson, John McCain or Mitt Romney, and no one candidate has emerged as the clear front-runner among Christian evangelicals. Such dissatisfaction underscores the volatility of the 2008 GOP nomination fight.
In sharp contrast, the Democratic race remains static, with Hillary Rodham Clinton holding a sizable lead over Barack Obama. The New York senator, who is white, also outpaces her Illinois counterpart, who is black, among black and Hispanic Democrats, according to a combined sample of two months of polls.
A half year before voting begins, the survey shows the White House race is far more wide open on the Republican side than on the Democratic. The uneven enthusiasm about the fields also is reflected in fundraising in which Democrats outraised Republicans $80 million to $50 million from April through June, continuing a trend from the year's first three months.
"Democrats are reasonably comfortable with the range of choices. The Democratic attitude is that three or four of these guys would be fine," David Redlawsk, a University of Iowa political scientist. "The Republicans don't have that; particularly among the conservatives there's a real split. They just don't see candidates who reflect their interests and who they also view as viable."
More Republicans have become apathetic about their options over the past month.
A hefty 23 percent can't or won't say which candidate they would back, a jump from the 14 percent who took a pass in June.
Giuliani's popularity continued to decline steadily as he faced a spate of headline headaches, came under increased scrutiny and saw the potential entry of Thompson in the mix; his support is at 21 percent compared with 27 percent in June and 35 percent in March.
The former New York mayor is running virtually even with Thompson, who has become a threat without even officially entering the race. The actor and former Tennessee senator has stayed steady at 19 percent. McCain, the Arizona senator who is revamping his nearly broke campaign, clocked in a bit lower at 15 percent, while Romney, the former Massachusetts governor, remained at 11 percent.
None of the top candidates has a clear lead among Christian evangelicals, a critical part of the GOP base that has had considerable sway in past Republican primaries. Giuliani, a thrice-married backer of abortion rights and gay rights, had 20 percent support _ roughly even with Thompson and McCain who have one divorce each in their pasts. Romney, a Mormon who has been married for three decades, was in the single digits.
Among the legions of undecided Republicans is Barbara Skogman, 72, a retired legal assistant from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. She isn't at all excited about any of the prospects.
"I'm looking for a strong honest person. Do you know of any?" she joked. She had an easy time detailing why she was queasy about each of the most serious contenders. "Isn't that sad?" Then she reached a conclusion: "I just don't know."
Andrew E. Smith, a polling expert at the University of New Hampshire, said the number of voters in flux is no surprise, given that the primaries aren't for another six months. "People really don't decide who to vote for until the last couple months or days," he said.
On the Democratic side, 13 percent declined to back a candidate, and of those who picked a candidate, some may be willing to change their minds.
Barbara Hicks, 29, an English tutor in Arlington, Va., said her friends got her to lean toward former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards but she said, "It's not set in stone. ... I don't favor him very, very strongly."
The only other sign that Democrats are at all agitated about their choices is the continued support for Al Gore, the former vice president and 2000 Democratic presidential nominee who says he's not running. His popularity has slid some to 15 percent.
Otherwise, Clinton kept her strong advantage over Obama; her backers accounted for 36 percent of Democrats to his 20 percent, while support for Edwards remained essentially unchanged at 11 percent.
While neither Obama nor Edwards has threatened Clinton in national polls, both are giving her a chase in other areas. Obama leads her in fundraising for the primary and Edwards is running stronger in Iowa.
Nationally, the combined sample found Clinton has the edge among black Democrats, with 46 percent of their support to Obama's 33 percent. Her advantage is even wider among Hispanics; she has the support of 45 percent of them to Obama's 17 percent. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson, whose mother was Mexican, had the backing of just 5 percent of Hispanics and virtually no support among blacks.
The AP-Ipsos poll was conducted by telephone July 9-11 with 1,004 adults, including 346 Republicans and 477 Democrats. The margin of sampling error for the full sample is plus or minus 3 percentage points, plus or minus 5.5 percentage points for Republicans and 4.5 percentage points for Democrats. For the combined June and July samples, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for Republicans and plus or minus 3 percentage points for Democrats.
He puts the ass back in Gas Bag.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tippster
I have a feeling conservatives are going to end up with a split vote and Hillary will end up getting elected. This is a sad, sad feeling.
Huh? 'splain, Lucy.Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_gyptian
You really think she'll get enough write-ins after Obama wins the primary?Quote:
Originally Posted by brice618
Really sad that none of these clowns do this for the service to the country anymore. It is all about getting and staying elected to some of the best paying, benefits having, jobs possible. Not about you or me anymore from either party.....bunch-o-dummies
Thats assuming he wins, hes got quite a battle with such little experience to bring to the table. He better be a very charming man.Quote:
Originally Posted by RootSkier
It's not about money or benefits. These folks could make far more in the private sector. It's about power, about feeling important, way more than it is about $.Quote:
Originally Posted by montanaskier