Binding jig - wide ski adapter - tutorial

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07-07-2007, 01:03 PM
El Chupacabra

Binding jig - wide ski adapter - tutorial

As a follow-up to this thread:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85524

I've been searching for some sort of adapter to fit bindings jigs, for wider skis. I have a Look/Rossi wide jig, but it only goes up to approx. 98mm underfoot.

I found that sliding closet door brackets add about 20mm to the jig. I bought them at Home Depot; about $3.50 for a pair. Here's what to do:

Wide jig + adapter brackets (the little rubber feet at the top of the pic came with the jig; remove them to install the adapters):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...adapter001.jpg

12mm offset brackets -- the widest I could find. They came in a smaller offset size too, but get the widest ones you can. I'm going to keep looking for ones with higher offset.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...adapter002.jpg

Remove the plastic wheels that are riveted to the brackets. I used a Dremel tool. Very easy.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...adapter003.jpg

2 nuts-n-bolts per bracket arm. On the Look/Rossi jig, the holes in the brackets matched up with some of the holes in the jig arms, so I didn't have to drill anything. If I drilled the brackets (or the jig arms) the brackets would be straighter, but who cares.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...adapter004.jpg

One end, completed (this photo makes them look uneven, but they're OK):
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...adapter005.jpg

Completed jig with adapters, sitting on a Rossi Axiom (110mm waist), with easily another 10mm of clearance to go -- so this little project should work for a wide Look/Rossi jig, fitting skis up to approx. 120mm waist. Eyeballing it, the jig looks centered on the ski using these brackets.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c3...adapter006.jpg
07-07-2007, 03:38 PM
Bandit Man

Closet Door Brackets...Friggin' Brilliant, Chup! I've been pondering the same "ready-made" solution as an add-on to a standard Sallie jig I have, and you have made life a whole lot easier.

I think I'll try the method you posted above and then drill some 2x4's or something to test out the final tolerances.
07-07-2007, 04:14 PM
Flexon Phil

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bandit Man

Closet Door Brackets...Friggin' Brilliant, Chup! I've been pondering the same "ready-made" solution as an add-on to a standard Sallie jig I have, and you have made life a whole lot easier.

I think I'll try the method you posted above and then drill some 2x4's or something to test out the final tolerances.

FNKA YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
08-06-2007, 09:50 AM
El Chupacabra

Update: I need to re-mount those brackets square to the jig. Mounting them at an angle doesn't work; the jig ends up a little twisted on the ski.
08-06-2007, 10:09 AM
Poop~Ghost

axioms!

send up the bomb.
08-17-2007, 06:13 AM
Flexon Phil

I just picked up 2 sets (not Stanley) that are squarer that what the Stanleys appear to be. I will post pics when complete.
08-17-2007, 09:54 AM
El Chupacabra

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexon Phil

I just picked up 2 sets (not Stanley) that are squarer that what the Stanleys appear to be. I will post pics when complete.

Let me know the brand on the brackets too - thanks Phil.
08-17-2007, 09:56 AM
Bandit Man

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexon Phil

I just picked up 2 sets (not Stanley) that are squarer that what the Stanleys appear to be. I will post pics when complete.

I got some non-Stanley's too from Lowe's that were very square. I forget the brand, but I can post a pic of what they look like when I get home.
08-17-2007, 11:07 AM
Blurred

Guessing this thread helped inspire interest in my jig for sale in gear swap.
Where did you come up with this idea? Brilliant.
08-17-2007, 04:43 PM
jfost

cool, but you've got a huge stand-off from the ski topsheet now. When drilling, you'll really have to watch to make sure the angle is perp. to the ski or you could get a few mm's off on the hole + an angled hole!!!

Maybe it's not that bad, but give it a try on a 2x4 to see how far off it is possible to get.

Of course, this is all moot if you just keep the drill centered or use a drill press!
08-18-2007, 07:38 AM
Flexon Phil

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Let me know the brand on the brackets too - thanks Phil.

Prime-Line is the brand.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jfost

cool, but you've got a huge stand-off from the ski topsheet now. When drilling, you'll really have to watch to make sure the angle is perp. to the ski or you could get a few mm's off on the hole + an angled hole!!!

In testing mine out, I will post pics later, I forgot my card reader, I see no problem with the height. These particular adapters are nice and square and will sit flush on the ski surface. These will give me a max width of about 110mm, more than I need.
08-18-2007, 05:38 PM
Bandit Man

Here are a couple of pics of the ones that I got at Lowe's. I still need to "beta" test them, but they seem to sit fairly square as is. I might grind them the top ends a bit to allow the jig to sit lower on the ski, but it looks like that would only get me about 1-cm closer and I would still be up pretty high when drilling. Anyhow, I figure it is better than the "eyeball" method I had to use to drill my 'Toons.

From behind:

http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1187479992

From an angle:

http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1187479992
08-18-2007, 05:59 PM
Flexon Phil

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/phot...395068_824.jpg
Clips:
http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/phot...95069_1230.jpg
on the jig:
http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/phot...95071_2096.jpg
10-15-2007, 11:03 AM
El Chupacabra

Update:

I bought another set of brackets from Lowe's (similar to the ones in Phil's pics above, "prime line" brand, but with more offset), and tried this out again this weekend by drilling a mount into a 2x6, then measuring the holes from the edges of the 2x6 with calipers.

Still no good. The brackets just don't sit squarely on the "ski" (2x6). The Lowe's brackets were soft metal, and bend easily; this is probably the problem.

I also measured my jig and did a test-drill with the jig, without adapter brackets, on a 2x3, just to make sure my jig is still centered. Jig is fine; measurements with calipers are spot-on.
10-15-2007, 05:08 PM
cantunamunch

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flexon Phil

These will give me a max width of about 110mm, more than I need.

I assume that's NOT on the S137 jig
10-16-2007, 10:55 AM
Flexon Phil

Quote:

Originally Posted by cantunamunch

I assume that's NOT on the S137 jig

Old jig from the 957 days. Works with current generation of Salomons.
10-16-2007, 02:26 PM
cantunamunch

Yup, got one too.
10-16-2007, 07:21 PM
Flexon Phil

Quote:

Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Update:

I bought another set of brackets from Lowe's (similar to the ones in Phil's pics above, "prime line" brand, but with more offset), and tried this out again this weekend by drilling a mount into a 2x6, then measuring the holes from the edges of the 2x6 with calipers.

Still no good. The brackets just don't sit squarely on the "ski" (2x6). The Lowe's brackets were soft metal, and bend easily; this is probably the problem.

I also measured my jig and did a test-drill with the jig, without adapter brackets, on a 2x3, just to make sure my jig is still centered. Jig is fine; measurements with calipers are spot-on.

I've mounted a few pair with my setup, no issues. Brackets do not bend at all.
10-22-2009, 10:14 AM
Matty_S

so i did some searching and came across this thread. i did my own little tech thread over on NS and I figured i would post up a few pics of my version of this here. I used the same brackets and took careful measurements to make sure it was squared up. I also used 3 screws on each bracket to avoid any run-out. I am using two different sets of brackets. One with 6mm offset and the other with 19mm offset. i would love to hear some comments and criticism about the setup.

http://newschoolers.com/web/forums/r...ead_id/492100/

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...4/P1011055.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...4/P1011040.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...4/P1011041.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...4/P1011042.jpg

with the 19mm offset

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...4/P1011048.jpg
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...4/P1011052.jpg

overall pic on skinny skis

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c2...4/P1011062.jpg
11-09-2011, 02:54 PM
jgb@etree

Great info. Picked up a skinny jig & am definitey going to give this a shot.

Rumor has it that true adapters may actually exist, but this seems pretty quick & easy.
11-09-2011, 06:11 PM
skimaxpower

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgb@etree

Rumor has it that true adapters may actually exist, but this seems pretty quick & easy.

I know that Marker + Tyrolia offer wide jig adapters. In my experience, Marker adapters also fit on Dynafit and Fritschi jigs.

Dunno about Rossi or Salomon wide jig adapters.
11-09-2011, 06:45 PM
jgb@etree

Quote:

Originally Posted by skimaxpower

I know that Marker + Tyrolia offer wide jig adapters. In my experience, Marker adapters also fit on Dynafit and Fritschi jigs.

Dunno about Rossi or Salomon wide jig adapters.

Word. I was told that the Tyrolia adapters fit a Solly jig.
11-09-2011, 09:05 PM
F#*k you cat

not sure if this has been covered....

Just bend - dremmel - hack saw skinny ski clamp points off
Use a digital caliper to center the jig on wide skis.
clamp it with c-clamps - tension clamps

Drill

this works!!!!

can post pics of my (solly Jig) later

Kevin
11-10-2011, 12:05 AM
Shorty_J

Quote:

Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat

not sure if this has been covered....

Just bend - dremmel - hack saw skinny ski clamp points off
Use a digital caliper to center the jig on wide skis.
clamp it with c-clamps - tension clamps

Drill

this works!!!!

can post pics of my (solly Jig) later

Kevin

This idea seems superior... being that far off the ski when drilling the holes makes me think I'd have a better chance of mis-aligning a hole with the jig way off the ski than if I just use paper templates and take my time.
11-10-2011, 06:34 AM
skifishbum

i've got the marker jig extenders hell of a lot moore easier. They fit on my frischi and newer dyna jig ' but I neededto dremel 1/4 inch off all the legs on my older jigs.
Work great though
11-10-2011, 08:53 AM
El Chupacabra

Quote:

Originally Posted by F#*k You Cat

not sure if this has been covered....

Just bend - dremmel - hack saw skinny ski clamp points off
Use a digital caliper to center the jig on wide skis.
clamp it with c-clamps - tension clamps

Drill

this works!!!!

can post pics of my (solly Jig) later

Kevin

^^ This is what I ended up using most of the time, until I managed to find a wide Salomon jig, and sold my flattened-out skinny Salomon jig to F*Cat.

The wide Look jig only goes up to about 105mm underfoot, so I haven't been mounting Look bindings much in the last few years.

I never was able to get the bracket/extension doohickeys to work out accurately enough for me. I tried a couple of different brackets, and they all flexed too much: my test drillings were off-center.
10-09-2012, 05:08 PM
~mikey b

bump for a current project
10-10-2012, 07:41 AM
axebiker

I've done this to 4 jigs. Works great. The only issue I've run into is that sometimes the jig sits high enough that the bit doesn't get all the way down, so you have to take it off and finish it.
10-10-2012, 08:50 AM
AlpiNord

Quote:

Originally Posted by axebiker

I've done this to 4 jigs. Works great. The only issue I've run into is that sometimes the jig sits high enough that the bit doesn't get all the way down, so you have to take it off and finish it.

Get longer bits. FTR, longer stepped drill bits are available. I'd be a little worried about inherent additive inaccuracies as a result of higher distance off the skis. Have you used your jigs with inserts (tighter tolerances) or binding screws only?
10-10-2012, 01:00 PM
counterfeitfake

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpinord

Get longer bits.

I just got some spam with this very line!
10-10-2012, 01:06 PM
axebiker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alpinord

Get longer bits. FTR, longer stepped drill bits are available. I'd be a little worried about inherent additive inaccuracies as a result of higher distance off the skis. Have you used your jigs with inserts (tighter tolerances) or binding screws only?

Just binding screws so far. I'm a bit anal, so I punch the layout first, measure, re-punch, and then drill. I haven't really done anything with inserts to date.

Yeah - I did get longer bits, but just a word of caution to those planning on doing this.
10-10-2012, 01:34 PM
Flexon Phil

on the case with a shorter bit. I just don't put it all the way into the chuck.