Seeking A Profession

Hey everybody

I just was considering my options for a career and right now am really leaning toward being part of a film crew or even being a pro skiier if i get lucky enough. TGR sounds like a fantastic company to be a part of and i was wondering if anybody could direct me to someone who is part of this crew. I would like to make some inquiries about employement and such. As of now i am a high school student heading into my graduating year soon and would like to be able to take the appropriate approach to being part of an extreme sports team/film crew. So if anyone who reads this can help me or knows someone who can, please let me know, it would be very much appreciated!

way to go your own path

Thanks cj001f
Guess im just not the type who can sit behind a desk all day
If i can spend my time capturing mind blowing footage of skiing and the mountains, then i will

Still looking for some feedback everyone

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Originally Posted by CraZy Canuck

Still looking for some feedback everyone

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PM iceman.

Ever thought about dentistry?

don't sell the bike shop orville

No Toby dentristy isnt my style, good try through bud :tongue:

What are you talkin about MELSNOW?

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Originally Posted by CraZy Canuck

No Toby dentristy isnt my style, good try through bud :tongue:

What are you talkin about MELSNOW?

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he is saying that you should send a Private Message to iceman.

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Originally Posted by Rontele

he is saying that you should send a Private Message to iceman.

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dude - then you could make a joke about a deer and a sledgehammer!

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Originally Posted by cj001f

dude - then you could make a joke about a deer and a sledgehammer!

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it was a mawl.

Pig farmer.

goat fucker

on a serious note-

There are tens of thousands of very talented world-class skiers with the credentials to take a job with TGR or any other film company. Take my advice, start your own gig. If you end up working for another company afterall, your talent will become recognizable to that firm by you first showing your independce and ability to make executive decisions.

...as I travel down the garden path.

Never ever ever work in your passion. Working in your obsession is fine. Not healthy, but fine. But working in your passion - no.

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Originally Posted by CraZy Canuck

Hey everybody

I just was considering my options for a career

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Hooker. You'll never get laid off.

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Originally Posted by Rontele

it was a mawl.

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Those are in Jersey, I think he needs a maul.

You could be a Wildland Firefighter. If your good with your money you can work all summer, and then play during the winter. You should probably go to college too:P

Perhaps you can be a professional day dreamer. If that doesn't pan out then I would recommend Swine Fornicator.

Go to school....it gives you a back up, so when you turn 30, you aren't serving banquets at some mountain resort for shit pay trying to finance your video passion. Try a school where you can incorporate your passions.....
Look up Lyndon State college in Vermont, theyu have a ski area management program, as well as a video program. You'll also have time to follow ytour passion, and have access to some great mountains....

Ski whore isn't much of a career. Don't get me wrong - it looks like a fucking blast, but look at Brant Moles now... and that dude is only in his 30's.

Thanks to those you who put out some helpful tips
But those of you who are just trying to make a funny, forget about it your lame and it makes you look like a tool
Anyways id like to point out that being a pro skiier is quite the pipe dream, i realize. But when i said being part of the TGR team, that means say camera man, cinematographer, those types of roles. Being out there and filming that stuff is just as good as anything, and being part of a team like that who does those great projects. Im trying to look into what kinds of positions there are like that and what kind of credentials i need to get into them. This would give me a heads up and a good indication of whether or not i should persue a career like that. Cause hey, somebodys gotta film em right? :biggrin:

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Originally Posted by CraZy Canuck

Cause hey, somebodys gotta film em right? :biggrin:

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Right. All the cameramen are actually really rippin skiers. I hope you don't think otherwise.

What credentials do you need? None... if you admit that the successful people in the world don't hand out resumes. They're leaders- people give resumes to them... assuming they are so poorly inept to lead they actually have to ask for help.

The defintion of a true leader is NOT what you can accomplish, but rather what you can get other people to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by Rontele

PM iceman.

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He actually did PM me, I was a bit confused until I read this thread.

Tipp, what's up with Brant, is he a panhandling tweaker or something now?

Stunt cock??

I'm a film/video major in college, and I say go to school. Learn as much as you can about the production process, and get really good at more than one thing. Directors need well-rounded workers on a shoot. Learn preproduction, cinematography, lighting, directing, editing, post production, and do as much independent stuff as you can. Luckily while in school, you can write all your production costs off on your taxes. Tape/film stock isn't cheap, and neither is any of the other equipment. Then get a good demo reel together and send it to everyone, but keep doing your own thing. If you have the talent, you'll make it. Bottom line is no one really hires just a cinematographer, or just a sound guy. You might specialize in one specific area, but if you dont know how to do other jobs as well, you aren't very useful. Good luck. Many years of hard work, and high-stress await you. Enjoy:fuckyou:


EDIT: I wanted to add, that I am not studying to work in narrative cinema at all. I hate hollywood, and everything it stands for. Sure I like watching movies, but I in absolutely no regard enjoy producing them. I like things that are real. My dream would be to work for a major ski-film production company, or something along the lines of National Geographic. So even though I don't plan on ever working in "show biz" so far as making actual fiction, story-based movies, the experience I have gained by working on set is irreplaceable. It can be applied in the non-narrative world as well, and you'll be better for having been through the process.

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Originally Posted by Crock

everything it stands for.

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a bunch of people prostituting themselves to entertain the world and "live the dream"?

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Originally Posted by CraZy Canuck

But those of you who are just trying to make a funny, forget about it your lame and it makes you look like a tool

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using the phrase 'make a funny' makes you a tool, or a 15 y.o. chick.

and...

your overwhelming sense of humor should take you far with the TGR guys.

move west and go to school.

Mybe Brant was a bad example. I had the good fortune to meet him last year when he was taking a lunch break teaching Gordy's camp, and he was relating his difficulties getting some decent wagesin the ski industry, especially after his sponsors bailed. Cat was one of the greatest skiers in ski porn, and now he's having a difficult time translating that into gainful employment (or was a year ago.)

That was my only point - that being paid for skiing in movies is fleeting - hardly a career. I certainly wasn't bashing on one of the guys who made me say "holy fuck" more than once while watching TV....

Go into sales, commission based, be patient, build your clientele, and take all the fucking time off in the world you can. Travel. raise a family. Travel. Drink alot on your expense account. Ski. Boat. Run. Drink. Travel. Enjoy your life.

I skied about 20 days in the Rockies this year, spent a week on the SC shore in March, will do 2 weeks at the house on West Coast of Michigan in July, most warm weather Fridays are spent on my boat with a beer, and I live in stoopid fucking Indiana and have a wife and 2 kids.

If you are not ready for being a cube farmer, have the ability and fortitude to build your own book of business, and enjoy a bunch of free-time, then go into sales.:fmicon:

IMHO. :D

Right i think gaijin struck the right chord on this one, cuz his bit seemed to make the most sense to me. I mean look at warren miller, started his company out of a van in Colorado i think it was, now he's the biggest name in the industry (id say as far as movies go). It seems id have to blaze my own trail, and in order to do that its going to take some serious grit and determination, with a little bit a luck too.
I like Ptracy P1's idea too, hell that sounds like the way to go. Right now its up in the air i guess, but the first thing for sure is to solidify that good education so i can keep the doors open when its time to choose. Then i can go any which way. I hear ya Tippster, being payed as a pro skier is sketchy, and very unreliable by the sounds of it. I guess business is business hey? once your all used up, you get the shaft and your stuck with nothing but your thumb up your ass.
Hey Crock, im in that same boat you are pal, my idea of filming is being in the outback filming the seven wonders of the world or something fantastic, not being stuck in a pact studio filming some goofy ass cheap action flick like the ones they put out today. National Geographic, Powder, anything that gets you out there shooting that kind of stuff, im game. Your already ahead of me as far as education goes, but if things play out, i might be right behind you.
All these different points of view are starting to round out a perception of where i have to go, what i have to do there, and what its gunna take. Sounds like a long road ahead, and im just getting started.
Right renoenvy and you paraphrasing "year old" into "y.o" makes you a perfect candidate for that little speech on jackasses i threw your way ;) What do you even know about the TGR guys anyway sweetheart?

crazy guy - being a ski cine is a tough gig to get. I bet that there are like only a couple per film company compared to around a dozen athletes they film, so your odds are even WORSE.

But if it's your thing study the hell out of it, get an internship, get a degree in the field and then get ready to be broke the rest of your life - cause the guys doing it certainly aren't doing it for the money.

I guess that I am somewhat "qualified" to answer this thread.

The reality is that if you want a "job" filming / shooting skiing, than you got to make that job happen yourself. NO ONE is going to HAND you a JOB in this industry. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN JOB.

The ONLY way to get your foot in the door is to just go out and make the best film possible / shoot the best images possible all on your own. Get a job, save your money, buy the best camera that you can afford, and learn how to use it. Go to school and learn as much as you can about business and marketing. Than once you think that your images are as good as whats in the movies / magazines, keep shooting and keep trying to improve, than after a few years apply for an internship.

Every Cameraman / photographer that I know in this industry started out shooting for them selves and / or interned. No one is just going to hand you a job and a camera and ask you to go shoot rad stuff. You HAVE to PROVE that you can consistantly provide results in any conditons long before anyone is going to hire you.


FINALY dont do this if you want to get rich. In fact the only thing that is certian about this industry / profession is that your going to have to spend and LOOSE a LOT OF MONEY before you EVER MAKE A DIME.

Good LUCK, if you really truely want to do it, you will find a way to make it happen, but you have to make it happen threw your own skills and persistance.

Yea i hear ya frozenwater, ive pushed that pipe dream of being a pro skiier aside. There can really only ever be one seth morrison, and really he would be the guy id try and take after. Im sure that would flop real fast. Im focusing more on the filming and shooting like what mtbaker is talking about, its the higher road really.
Thanks for those wise words baker, their what i really need to hear right now, seeing as how my whole perception of this business is quite meek. Did you really do ski porn?

didn't somebody say something about going to school so you're not getting the shaft when you're 30...

yeah, uhhh. 2nded.

Padded Room Jong

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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier

I guess that I am somewhat "qualified" to answer this thread.

The reality is that if you want a "job" filming / shooting skiing, than you got to make that job happen yourself. NO ONE is going to HAND you a JOB in this industry. YOU HAVE TO MAKE YOUR OWN JOB.

The ONLY way to get your foot in the door is to just go out and make the best film possible / shoot the best images possible all on your own. Get a job, save your money, buy the best camera that you can afford, and learn how to use it. Go to school and learn as much as you can about business and marketing. Than once you think that your images are as good as whats in the movies / magazines, keep shooting and keep trying to improve, than after a few years apply for an internship.

Every Cameraman / photographer that I know in this industry started out shooting for them selves and / or interned. No one is just going to hand you a job and a camera and ask you to go shoot rad stuff. You HAVE to PROVE that you can consistantly provide results in any conditons long before anyone is going to hire you.


FINALY dont do this if you want to get rich. In fact the only thing that is certian about this industry / profession is that your going to have to spend and LOOSE a LOT OF MONEY before you EVER MAKE A DIME.

Good LUCK, if you really truely want to do it, you will find a way to make it happen, but you have to make it happen threw your own skills and persistance.

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Fuck, I wouldn't even try that hard to get laid, and I'm the guy who trimmed his beard with a blowtorch 'cause a chick said i was too shaggy.

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Originally Posted by iceman

Fuck, I wouldn't even try that hard to get laid, and I'm the guy who trimmed his beard with a blowtorch 'cause a chick said i was too shaggy.

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I didn't think married people had to try to get laid.

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Originally Posted by YetiMan

didn't somebody say something about going to school so you're not getting the shaft when you're 30...

yeah, uhhh. 2nded.

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If you want a degree just to say you went to college, then you'll end up with a bachelor's. If you want a degree because you want a good job, one that can afford the student loans you borrowed for the education, you will get at least a master's. Sorry, but it's the new norm.

If anyone disagrees with me, please provide the field in which you work and the field in which you got your bachelors. I (virtually) promise they don't match.

Another truth is that a master's degree is not just about higher credentials for a resume, they are actually about establishing independence in your field. Example; A master's for film production will have a "Major Work" project focused on producing and selling a film. Whereas a bachelors in the same field will teach you how to shoot video and edit it. Yay.

so... in the end you are one of three types of people;
A) One who found reasons not to go to school. (no degree)
B) One who went to school hoping to find the reason. (a bachelor's)
C) Or- one who went to school for the right reasons. (A master's/Doctorate)

Welcome to the 21st century.

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Originally Posted by gaijin

If you want a degree just to say you went to college, then you'll end up with a bachelor's. If you want a degree because you want a good job, one that can afford the student loans you borrowed for the education, you will get at least a master's. Sorry, but it's the new norm.

If anyone disagrees with me, please provide the field in which you work and the field in which you got your bachelors. I (virtually) promise they don't match.

Another truth is that a master's degree is not just about higher credentials for a resume, they are actually about establishing independence in your field. Example; A master's for film production will have a "Major Work" project focused on producing and selling a film. Whereas a bachelors in the same field will teach you how to shoot video and edit it. Yay.

so... in the end you are one of three types of people;
A) One who found reasons not to go to school. (no degree)
B) One who went to school hoping to find the reason. (a bachelor's)
C) Or- one who went to school for the right reasons. (A master's/Doctorate)

Welcome to the 21st century.

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yet another reason not to take advice from a message board

Masters = jerkoff credentialing to please HR retards