Saw the pics from the SIA show, and they look pretty fucking bomber. Does anybody have any info about these yet?
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Saw the pics from the SIA show, and they look pretty fucking bomber. Does anybody have any info about these yet?
there are many many threads about them. they are called the duke, and will retail for around $439.
So that means I can take a duke for $439?Quote:
Originally Posted by marshalolson
but the real question is how bomber they will be. 16DIN sounds great, but im still going to be leery until someone actually gets these on the snow.Quote:
Originally Posted by marshalolson
They actually look and feel prety bomber. I don't think that I've seen a plastic 16 din binder before either, but they work prety well thought out with the exception that the climbing bail is impossible to activate while instride. It's located under the binding plate like you would find on the treckers etc......Quote:
Originally Posted by mc_roon
Also the whole binding slides backwords when switching to youring mode. Wich should provide for more flotation while skining, but at the expense of more tip to deal with on steep kickturns.
These bindings DO NOT look nor feel like traditional markers, and they have more incomon with the Marker high din race stock than the consumer binders.
No word yet on the elasticity......
I talked to Larry (the bootfitter), whom, as far as I know, puts marshal to shame in his hoarding of high-din solly bindings, said he saw them and he's ordered a pair already. personally, that inspires confidence, at least for me.
Killer, I haven't had a chance to fondle them yet, and have always been worried about the rise on freerides and stuff, great to hear positive stuff already, they look pretty fucking solid. Think thats gunna be the binding to go on the 193 EHPs...
Marker, worse than Salomon.
i fondled them, they are pretty bomber construction,much lighter than they look. they sit much lower on the ski than the freerides or naxo. as stated in the pics thread , my only gripe is you have to dismount yr boots from the binder to switch from tour mode. how it handles in the field is a whole other ball of yarn to be determined.
WHO MAKES THIS THING??
Is it Marker homegrown?
Or something re-badged or co-developed from another supplier?
Any idea how extensively its been field tested?
Interesting use of the Look style heel throw. Almost looks like a PX from the back.
Is that sliver metal thing in the middle what engages the rails/plate when the binding is slid forward and locked into ski mode?
This could be an interesting development if its a more solid connection and a lower boot height for a similar weight as Naxo/Fritschi. I might actually ski a marker again.
Any ideas on weight??
Tried searching, but couldn't find the "many threads".
Mostly just references and pics from SIA show.
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...1&d=1168928019
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...9&d=1169688073
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia_200...%20016.jpg
http://www.couloirmag.com/mfgs/dynam...?articleID=267
from coulourmag "The Duke. Key Stats: Weight: 400g/pr heavier than Naxo N21"
That would be 2665g or 5lbs 15oz
More pics here at teletips
http://www.telemarktips.com/TeleNews86.html
Marker homegrown, over 2 years in development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
We've been skiing protos for a year.
2700 grams.
why? can you take your skins on / off while you're still in your bindings?:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by cdlv
Great insight from a complete moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rascal King
glen plake can take them off, on a 210 ski. watch some movies, man!Quote:
Originally Posted by Huck_Schmuck
Uhmm, yes, can't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Huck_Schmuck
Not that I ever do these days. It's a good party trick though.
Coreshot;
Thanks alot for those links dude, appreciated!
I always take my skins off without taking my skis off. It's fast and easy. I do take the skis off when I put the skins on, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Huck_Schmuck
I saw a super old pair of markers on some gapers sticks in the liftline today. The binding was called the M40, and the toepeice looked suspiciously like the dukes, except extremely cheap and plastic looking.
Good pictures over at Lou Dawson's blog.
I'm not gonna lie, I'm lining up for this thing.
I'll happily guinea pig it for the rest of you. :D
Look pays marker to use that heel piece. its a marker design. I am going to to try to find where I read that so you will believe me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
I like the look of that binding and that very well go on the Katanas I will order.
with all this talk of the duke, did anyone else notice that new toe design on the standard alpine binding?
looks more like a look\rossi than a marker.
any comment on those squaretail?
Combining the images of the Duke at
http://www.freeride.se/img/content/large/1859.jpg
http://thegoat.backcountry.com/?q=75
and
http://www.wildsnow.com/?p=594
with my fantasy makes me wonder if there will be separate mounting plates availiable for the Duke so that you get an extra pair of plates for your extra skis and would not have to get a whole new set of bindings. The hel plate is obviously no problem, but its not clear if you could slide the toe part of its plate. On the other hand, its not clear that you can not do it either, so I'll keep my hopes up.
I miss my old markers....they went anywhere without a hitch.....I think I am preferring my new Freeride Plus fritschi's since they have no slop whatsoever and tele real nice if I want to....still opening mind so bear with me....
http://www.gomammoth.com/dinojong.jpg
Not a bad price and not a bad weight, combined with not a bad stack height. I would just wait a year or so for them to go through the abuse of the masses and see how they hold up. I see lots of people are looking into buying their first pairs of Markers in a long time! Earlier I said something like "why not just stick with alpine bindings and trekkers because of the intended uses, but spinning laps in the sidecountry, I think that the Duke would win in that.
http://www.wildsnow.com/images/backc...501-shaman.jpg
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...1&d=1168928019
Kudos to the ski industry for finally stepping up and giving me what i (we) want!!!
They'll get my hard-earned money another year. Yes, I will be buying Markers next year - like, for sure.
I'm still scratching my head and trying to figure out why I'd want to buy a Garmont A/T boot without a walk function...but I guess it does beat grinding down the soles of my boots to put vibram in place.
But shit, if they can figure out how to do replaceable soles, to swap from vibram to flat plastic, what's stopping anybody else? Remember those Atomic boots with the replaceable toe and heel lugs?
Great, this year I'm finally off Markers and happier than ever. Now it looks like next year I'll be back on. Shit.Quote:
Kudos to the ski industry for finally stepping up and giving me what i (we) want!!!
They'll get my hard-earned money another year. Yes, I will be buying Markers next year - like, for sure.
Those Garmonts with the Dukes are going to be a bangin steup. Supposedly the same guy that designed the Dobermans/Hot Rods designed the Shamans. I've never had issues touring in my Hot Rods except for lack of Vibram on scetch. Pre punched shell in the Garmonts though. Sounds awesome.
I skied the Duke at the Snow Basin demo today. It skis fine but I did not notice a performance difference between it and my Nx21's. Only skied cruisers. I took it for a quick uphill walk at the top of the gondola and it felt like I had two tanks on my feet. As with all AT bindings: give it one year! The part that has me most concerned is the the plastic under the toe. It looks like it could sheer off easily. The climbing bar is hard to engage but I don't think it's a big deal about stepping out to go into touring mode since most people take their skis off anyway to put thier skins on. The bigger question is would I really want to climb on this thing??? Last thing: if any of the mechanisms that allow the binding to tour ice up, it will be impossible to go into touring mode. Those mechanisms look susceptable to icing up.
Skied it as well yesterday, on the Blizzard (formerly Titan 9), was interested in hard snow performance, railed super g turns on groomers and firm crud- a thousand times better than my fritschis. Stack height is lower and energy transmission is good.
As this is clearly a side country binder I think it will work well for those who insist on skiing their AT rigs at the hill or can only afford one set up.