http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm2006 the warmest year on record....breaking the record of 2005. What Global Warming? Come on Gore, please run in 2008.
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http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/s2772.htm2006 the warmest year on record....breaking the record of 2005. What Global Warming? Come on Gore, please run in 2008.
But its finally a normalish winter in AK climate change is weird
If you have nothing to add to this important thread, then shut the fuck up.Quote:
Originally Posted by ak_powder_monkey
You know, that's great and all; but 2007 is really, really, really fucking cold.
I mean, it snowed in fucking Malibu today. Malibu. And we've had more sub zero days in the past month in Tahoe than we've had in the 3 years I've lived here.
Not on the REST of the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty50
I'm sure El Nino and the shift in the jet stream has nothing to do with any of this.
Yes, but that's not climate, it's weather. When scientists talk about climate they are talking about 30-year averages or longer. You can think of climate as the "signal" and weather as the "noise".Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty50
Also, keep in mind that global warming is going to create regional climate change by creating changes in general circulation patterns. Some places will get warmer and drier, others will get warmer and wetter, others will get cooler and wetter, others will get cooler and drier, some may stay the same. These regional shifts, not the warming, are the problem because our food production systems, transportation systems, etc. have been optimized to work in this climate pattern and transitioning them to a new climate pattern is going to be expensive and painful.
Most insightful post in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by warthog
Ready for my ocean front pad in boulder.
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Originally Posted by Dantheman
That is the most descriptive explination of Global Warming & Climate Change yet. It makes the most sense and if the talking heads on the boob tube would put it this way, more people would give a damn.
"Ignore the environment, It will eventually go away!
But at the same time, I think we need to look at an even bigger picture more than 30 year time frames, we have been tracking weather for less than 200 years, and weather/ climate has been occurring since well before that. What patterns are happening, patterns don't just happen in cycles that are convenient to our statistics, but rather to the LONG term history.
That being said, I do believe global warming is occuring, but the way most make it sound it is this big green monster lurking and ready to pounce on us at any given moment. The shift is gradual and didn't just happen this year.
nothing important to add other than it is snowing in chapel hill, despite this past weekend being in the mid-70s.
OMG!!
"U.S. and global annual temperatures are now approximately 1.0 degrees F warmer than at the start of the 20th century,"
Everbody panic!!
I'm taking the other side - I think we're at the beginning of the next ice age.
You convinced me. Global warming is a crock.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arty50
I agree with Henry Rollins
I say fuck anyone from Auburn, Al....you don't get a vote...Roll Tide Baby.
The sad part to me is that the entire trend has no signs of slowing down. Most of the public and political leaders are ignorant to the facts and really just don't give a shit. Sigh....
Indeed, I can't wait to see NY drowned
I don't think anyone is arguing that there is a warming trend, I think people are debating what is the CAUSE of the warming trend, pollution, geological, or both. I would be exceedingly arrogant for anyone to claim they know the cause for fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by montanaskier
Oh yea and al gore is the hypocrite or the year....
Explain. Because he travels in a jet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Patrol
Wacky weather. Over here in W. MT its been colder than a witches tit with a brass bra doing pushups in the snow.
Had to stock up on some more wood. Already burned 2.5 cords.
http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1169155089
I like this global warming. I've been skiing in nothing but a thong all Winter. It's been great!
its been VERY cold in boulder this winter so far....usually we get a week of 70s in Jan....been like 0 every night for a while now....not to mention all the snow we have gotten this year down here..
I'm all for flooding Kansas....
i can't wait to drown you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diz_MT
Once again, change in the jet stream curling the weather at you from the East, not over the Rockies. Happens every so often.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOHSHSIHd
Can anyone explain why the temp last year was .00001234567000 % higher than 1938, the brink of the rule of the Automobile?
I give some merit to the global warming theories, melted ice caps don't lie. But no statistic has shown me that I am causing it. That is not to say that I don't believe in doing my part, but until the rest of the developing world gives two shits about it, it is a lost cause. Go visit China or India, and get them on the program, Al Gore.
:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by warthog
Well, fuck, let's just give up then. What's the saying -clean up your own backyard before worrying about your neighbors?
Besides, both per capita and aggregate energy use and carbon emissions in the United States outnumber both China and India.
Exceedingly arrogant???? All the scientist are saying is that an overwhelming majority of the evidence points to the fact that humans are contributing to warming. You probably don't "believe" in evolution either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawn Patrol
So is Al Gore a hypocrite or a year?
The skiing has been good in BC and the PNW so I se no problems.
Keep this good stuff coming :)
Please stop saying Global Warming isn't real, is the realest shit ever, or that this wacky weather this year is from it.
This season's temps and snowfall can almost all be accredited to El Nino. Period. We all know that, stop saying it's all global warming.
Now, global warming may be causing the weaker/stronger High Pressures in the long run.
aanother thing...the US outnumbers China and India in emissons, and that whole everyone-but-the-Us-signing-Kyoto thing kinda sums up the idea of "until the rest of the developing world gives two shits about it".
Eh, Klee Shay should come in here and post too, it's a fucking beaten horse. I feel dumb even posting and reiterating what others already wrote...
Yes Global Warming is real, yes the temps are high, yes it's mainly el nino, yes people are most likely a sizeable part of the global warming problem.
Al Gore, oh yah, whats SAC?
FUCK ME
What would you need to have "definitive proof" of global warming? Is it going to take an average global temperature increase of 5 degrees? how about 10? how about 20? Is there 100% certainty that global warming is happening? No. But does that mean we shouldn't be trying to do what is in our power to prevent it? Because to me what you are saying is that its all a myth being perpetuated by the left, so why do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by warthog
kyoto was a farce. sorry, but it's true. hardly anybody met their kyoto numbers.
Its a bummer that not all of the countries who agreed to sign the Kyoto Protocol acheived the reductions that it set to. Nevertheless, I think it's a step in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatch
I'll repost this.
I'm curious to know how many of the Republicans on the board would change their minds if bush did a 180 on climate change??
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Bush set for climate change U-turn
Downing Street says that belated US recognition of global warming could lead to a post-Kyoto agreement on curbing emissions
Gaby Hinsliff, Juliette Jowit and Paul Harris
Sunday January 14, 2007
The Observer
George Bush is preparing to make a historic shift in his position on global warming when he makes his State of the Union speech later this month, say senior Downing Street officials.
Tony Blair hopes that the new stance by the United States will lead to a breakthrough in international talks on climate change and that the outlines of a successor treaty to the Kyoto agreement, the deal to curb emissions of greenhouse gases which expires in 2012, could now be thrashed out at the G8 summit in June.
The timetable may explain why Blair is so keen to remain in office until after the summit, with a deal on protecting the planet offering an appealing legacy with which to bow out of Number 10.
Bush and Blair held private talks on climate change before Christmas, and there is a feeling that the US President will now agree a cap on emissions in the US, meaning that, for the first time, American industry and consumers would be expected to start conserving energy and curbing pollution.
'We could now be seeing the beginning of a consensus on a post-Kyoto framework,' said a source close to the prime minister. 'President Bush is beginning to talk about more radical measures.'
The move will be seen as part of a wider repositioning of the Bush government after its comprehensive defeat in last autumn's mid-term elections.
A change of heart on the environment was signalled earlier this month when the US administration unexpectedly announced that polar bears were now an endangered species because their habitat in the US state of Alaska had suffered from melting ice sheets caused by global warming. The government is now required to act on threats to the bears' survival. The EU has its own so-called cap and trade scheme, under which industries are given a quota of carbon dioxide emissions: if they exceed the limits, they must pay for extra credits that can be bought from cleaner industries - an incentive to firms to go green.
Downing Street is increasingly confident that the arguments pushed by Sir Nicholas Stern, author of the recent Treasury report on the cost of global warming, that doing nothing will eventually prove more costly than trying to avert catastrophe are now gaining in momentum. However, Stern warned: 'The US will work it out for itself. Nobody will be telling them what to do, and nobody should.'
Downing Street now expects a broad agreement between EU countries on a successor treaty to Kyoto to be thrashed out at the EU spring council, paving the way for an agreement at the G8.
Blair was also told in meetings with senior senators late last year that they would seek to push through measures on global warming which had been repeatedly blocked by the Republicans before the mid-term elections cost Bush's party control of both Houses of Congress.
But another source close to the negotiations warned that Bush had previously appeared to give ground on climate change, only to fail to make real concessions. The best hope could lie with a post-Kyoto deal for 2009, the source said - by which time Bush will be out of office.
Kurt Davies, research director on climate change for Greenpeace USA, said climate change was now expected to be one of the keynotes of the State of the Union address.
'The sands are clearly shifting on climate change for this administration, but there has to be a concrete follow-up,' he said. 'We were shocked last year when he talked about the US being addicted to oil, but then there was no follow-up to that.'
DTM here, too lazy to log AC out:Quote:
Originally Posted by Squatch
Kyoto is far from from perfect, but so were the many earlier versions of the Montreal Protocol that stopped far short of the current outright ban on CFCs. The scale of the problem is larger for GHGs, but there is still no reason why the same basic process that led to Montreal can't work for GHGs.
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Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush
I have no doubt that Global Warming is occuring. I have much doubt that I am the cause of it. That is what I said in the prior post.
Look, it is America's fault 99.99% of the time anyway, so I am probably way off base. As far as what George Bush says, who gives a fuck? Is this really a Republican vs. Democrat issue? I don't fit either of those stereotypes, and I am not thoroughly convinced humans are causing it. I am pretty sure there are a lot of Republicans and Dems that feel the same way. Shit, a lot of my friends work for NOAA, or are involved in the Environmental Sciences. They don't know what is causing it either.
The problem is not black and white, like many would like to have you believe. The problem is then made much more complex when both sides put up data skewed to support their argument.
Environmentalists used to support their data and fight for their cause. Nowadays it seems like they spend more time supporting political agendas and fighting against opposing viewpoints. It is dissappointing to say the least.
It's my theory that global warming is caused by the huge amount of concrete that is being poured everywhere throughout the world. Like China, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by montanaskier
Parking lots, highways, byways, runways, buildings, etc.
Go to any big city. It's always warmer in the city vs. the surrounding countryside because all of that concrete holds-in the heat.
The warm concrete is skewing the averages, I just know it is!
-Astro
My point of view is that it is completely irrelevant as to the cause...but IFthe lack of action towards this phenomenon COULD be catastrophic to the human race, why NOT combat it, whatever the causation?
That is simply common sense. Someting sorely lacking in the partisan bullshit that fails to recognize that NOT adressing the isuue COULD spell disaster for our race, whereas ignoring the issue, regardless of the reasons for it, it a recipe for disaster, or even worse, no recipe at all.
Entiendo, todos?