"No more God is on our side religious nonsense"

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08-30-2006, 01:43 PM
zion zig zag

"No more God is on our side religious nonsense"

Brave words for a politician from Utah, and that sentence likely brought the biggest applause of Mayor Rocky Anderson's speech. This was from the anti George rally in SLC which looked like it had quite a large turnout.

Hopefully the tide is turning here in Utah and the left will continue to be more outspoken and involved. I hope Rocky has a bright and long-lived career in UT politics, we could use more like him (even if he doesn't want Ogdenites to come south;) ).

I'll see if I can find and post a transcript of speech.
08-30-2006, 01:51 PM
nest

I attended the rally and was pleasantly surprised by the turnout. Saw lots of republicans vs bush and consitution party vs bush signs along with a strong veteran contingent (young and old). I think the tide is turning.
08-30-2006, 01:58 PM
FrankZappa

Dear God,
Where were all these people 6-7 years ago when we needed them?
Does Bush & all his corporate cronies own you too?
me
08-30-2006, 02:00 PM
Cono Este

As far as moderate conservatives go, Bush jumped the Shark about a yr ago, right after Katrina.
08-30-2006, 02:06 PM
PassTheDutchie

Meanwhile, in Florida

Meanwhile, in Florida

Rep. Harris: Church-state separation 'a lie'

POSTED: 5:37 p.m. EDT, August 28, 2006

MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.

Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

Electing non-Christians a 'legislative sin'

"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.

***
Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/....ap/index.html

God help us all...
08-30-2006, 02:06 PM
uglymoney

Great interview of Rocky Anderson yesterday on NPR by Robin Young. Take a listen. The epilogue is fabulous.

linky to piece

I went to the rock to hide my face,
but the rock cried out no hiding place,
theres no hiding place down here,
no hiding place in the mountains,
no hiding place in the waters.

Even in Utah, GWB has cannot hide his face. I sincerily hope that moderate Republicans come to their senses and cast their votes for more moderate members of the GOP.
08-30-2006, 02:12 PM
FrankZappa

Dear God,
Hi. It's me. I'm back.
I was wonderin' if you could talk to your buddy Thor an' have him lay some SHAZAM on this stupid fuckin' bitch.

I'll try not to bother you anymore today.

Thanks,
me

Quote:

Originally Posted by PassTheDutchie

Meanwhile, in Florida

Rep. Harris: Church-state separation 'a lie'

POSTED: 5:37 p.m. EDT, August 28, 2006

MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris told a religious journal that separation of church and state is "a lie" and God and the nation's founding fathers did not intend the country be "a nation of secular laws."

The Republican candidate for U.S. Senate also said that if Christians are not elected, politicians will "legislate sin," including abortion and gay marriage.

Separation of church and state is "a lie we have been told," Harris said in the interview, published Thursday, saying separating religion and politics is "wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers."

Electing non-Christians a 'legislative sin'

"If you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," Harris said.

***
Harris, 49, faced widespread criticism for her role overseeing the 2000 presidential recount as Florida's secretary of state.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/....ap/index.html

God help us all...
08-30-2006, 02:22 PM
f2f

edit: thanks, the link now works!
08-30-2006, 02:24 PM
uglymoney

^^^^^Cool. I tend post first, edit later.

http://realserver.bu.edu:8080/ramgen...rm?start=21:10
08-30-2006, 02:31 PM
stump832

Quote:

Originally Posted by flykdog

This was from the anti George rally in SLC which looked like it had quite a large turnout.

Drove by while this was going on. "Large turnout" is not at all how I'd describe it. Police seemed to outnumber the protesters. I'm glad all 200 people (out of how many in the city?) showed up, but I wouldn't hold your breath for a paradigm shift in the way this state is run. Sorry to rain on the feel-good parade.
08-30-2006, 02:31 PM
KQ

How could anyone in their right mind possibly think God is responsible for helping them....get elected....make a touch down....etc. when innocent children are being molested, abused and abandoned?

Seriously - that's my measure.
08-30-2006, 02:35 PM
irul&ublo

Quote:

Originally Posted by KQ

How could anyone in their right mind possibly think God is responsible for helping them........make a touch down....Seriously - that's my measure.

Are you questioning the power of Touchdown Jesus?
08-30-2006, 02:38 PM
KQ

Quote:

Originally Posted by irul&ublo

Are you questioning the power of Touchdown Jesus?

LOL!!! So maybe it was a goal post and not a cross?
08-30-2006, 02:38 PM
Mybad!

Pretty sure God was not on my side during a hangover I had a few days ago.

"My name is Fred and I'm just a man,
same as you are."

"You're not a man.
You're a bishop, for God's sake!"

"There is no God!"

Where's that quote from, hmm, hmmm.
08-30-2006, 02:41 PM
phUnk

Quote:

Originally Posted by irul&ublo

Are you questioning the power of Touchdown Jesus?

If the guy can play hockey, he can certainly help out with a touchdown or two. Seriously.
08-30-2006, 02:49 PM
Tri-Ungulate

I thought Jesus played goalie.

http://www.worth1000.com/entries/61000/61123oTvs_w.jpg
http://www.av1611.org/buttons/images/jesus_saves.jpg
08-30-2006, 02:50 PM
phUnk

Quote:

Originally Posted by stump832

Sorry to rain on the feel-good parade.

I still feel good. ;););)
08-30-2006, 03:01 PM
KQ

Quote:

Originally Posted by phUnk

I still feel good. ;););)

Get your hands out of your pants phUnk! Don't you know Jesus is watching?
08-30-2006, 03:03 PM
freshies

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mybad!

Pretty sure God was not on my side during a hangover I had a few days ago.

"My name is Fred and I'm just a man,
same as you are."

"You're not a man.
You're a bishop, for God's sake!"

"There is no God!"

Where's that quote from, hmm, hmmm.

that would be "Caddyshack"
08-30-2006, 03:07 PM
The AD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate

I thought Jesus played goalie.

No: baseball.

As seen written on a wall:

"Jesus is the Answer"

below that...

"What was the question?"

below that, finally...

"Who was Felipe and Matty Alou's brother?"
08-30-2006, 03:11 PM
You Gooch!

Another one I saw spraypainted on the side of a building:

"Jesus Lives!"

below that...

"So does that mean there's no more Easters?"
08-30-2006, 03:17 PM
Hutch

Quote:

Originally Posted by stump832

Drove by while this was going on. "Large turnout" is not at all how I'd describe it. Police seemed to outnumber the protesters. I'm glad all 200 people (out of how many in the city?) showed up, but I wouldn't hold your breath for a paradigm shift in the way this state is run. Sorry to rain on the feel-good parade.

Bullshit. there were at least a thousand. that's like half of Utah.

But seriously, do polygamists outnumber liberals here?
08-30-2006, 03:20 PM
Tippster

Wouldn't that depend on if you count the women?
08-30-2006, 03:23 PM
stump832

Phunk, you lost all my respect when you failed to consult with me on your procedure. Its over.
08-30-2006, 03:28 PM
PacRimRider1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pope Benedict XVI

Bullshit. there were at least a thousand. that's like half of Utah.

But seriously, do polygamists outnumber liberals here?

I think liberals, like polygamists, are afraid to "out" themselves here.
08-30-2006, 04:32 PM
Johnny Deep

It was a great rally.

Best sign: The Rapture is Not an Exit Strategy

Best Speaker: Rocky [we can handle the truth. TELL US THE TRUTH]

Even saw some SOC folks :cool:
08-30-2006, 04:37 PM
Trackhead

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Deep

Even saw some SOC folks :cool:

You can thank SOC for all the Wasatch Front wilderness designation. And your ability to ski tour there without chairlifts, snowmobiles, helicopters, hotels, and all the other crap that would be there if SOC didn't fight for it.

End OT rant.
08-30-2006, 05:33 PM
str8line

My favorite signs were:

"No wonder it hurts, there's an elephant screwing us!" (with a drawing of the Republican elephant)

and

"We the Sheeple"

There were quite a few crude signs as well.

Also funny was the large paper mache heads of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Condi. You'll see them on the news I bet.

My 3 year old son Preston had his, "Bush is not my friend" sign, and I had a sign with, "Bush...the real terrorist" on one side and "Ban Bush"(ran out of time in making our signs) on the other side.

I'd say there were close to 2000 people in attendance. The PA system was lacking in the volume department. I liked Rocky's list of "No More's". It brought home the ineptitude and criminal behavior of Bushy and his cronies.
08-30-2006, 05:41 PM
MarsB

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Deep

Best sign: The Rapture is Not an Exit Strategy

I hadn't seen that one yet! :fmicon:
08-30-2006, 05:55 PM
wra

Quote:

Originally Posted by str8line

Also funny was the large paper mache heads of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Condi. You'll see them on the news I bet.

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL348.../182994309.jpg

http://pic10.picturetrail.com/VOL348.../182994311.jpg

Not the news.
08-30-2006, 06:10 PM
EZB

http://www.slcgov.com/mayor/speeches...ation83006.pdf
08-30-2006, 06:31 PM
BigDaddy

Great story on NPR today about breaking religion from politics:eek: :

Religion's Evolutionary Origins
Aired: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 11-12PM ET

By host Tom Ashbrook:

The urge is so strong, most people don't fight it. In the presence of religion and religious icons -- churches, temples, altars, scripture, holy relics from the Ganges riverbank to Rome -- most people become reverent. Not Daniel Dennett.

Denett is a philosopher on a mission. His mission is to break religion itself open to scientific inquiry, to "break the spell," in his words, of faith.

Dennet's conclusion is that religion is not miraculous or supernatural, but a product of nature itself -- of Darwinian evolution, like the finch's beak or the opposable thumb. If that sounds like sacrilege, maybe it is.

Hear about the evolutionary theory of religion.

http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/20...830_b_main.asp

The author, Denett wrote a book titled "Breaking the Spell of Religion". It sounds facinating and I'm going to have to read this!
08-30-2006, 07:09 PM
Jer

Haven't read that one yet, but I've read several of his other works.

Dennet writes and thinks extremely well and clearly.

"Darwin's Dangerous Idea" is an excellent book - an accessible explanation of evolutionary theory and why it matters.
08-30-2006, 07:46 PM
WON HUNG JONG

http://forum.powdermag.com/photopost...022_22A-52.jpg