Photo Radar Speeding Ticket - Oregon

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08-04-2006, 03:39 PM
Adolf Allerbush

Photo Radar Speeding Ticket - Oregon

I got home last night from a hard day at the office only to be greated by a speeding ticket from Oregon's finest, and a photo radar one at that. I feel like this is cheating by the cops. Sure I was speeding, 44 in a 35...but still. Has anyone had success fighting these in Oregon or elsewhere?

Some beta: The photos are blury and it is impossible to tell who is driving. The ticket is for $125.

Search of forums revealed this thread http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ht=Photo+Radar
however it is about running red lights and is not applicable to Oregon.

Thanks in advance.
08-04-2006, 03:59 PM
Rasputin

I guess so many Californians moved to Oregon that it is becoming California. I lived in Oregon up through the 90's and was SO glad that it wasn't like California with the photo ticket crackdown.

Good luck fighting it.
08-04-2006, 04:01 PM
Hutch

can you post up the photo? That will help us brainstorm your way out of this.
08-04-2006, 04:27 PM
Adolf Allerbush

Certainly, I will scan it when I get home. Probably opening myself up to some serious Photoshop alterations, but I have no fear.
08-04-2006, 04:50 PM
Below Zero

Go out right now, and buy a radar detector. Don't ask questions, just do it. You won't regret it!
08-04-2006, 10:14 PM
Tippster

All they need to see is your license plate. if you are the owner of that car, you're responsible for the fine, since all drivers of that vehicle do so with your permission. AFAIK the only way out of one of these tickets id to prove your car had been stolen, and the only way to do that is to have a police report dated prior to that picture.

Pay the money and slow down in that section of road. At least it's no points on your license.
08-04-2006, 10:40 PM
nealric

I second the radar dedector.

A good one is $200- and it will probably save you twice that in tickets if you drive like me :D
08-05-2006, 02:24 PM
BLOOD SWEAT STEEL

Let me know if you need any help writing an apology letter to your local P.D.
08-05-2006, 03:09 PM
hutash

There are probably tons of radar detector threads, but there are only two worth considering, Passport and Valentine. I prefer the passport.
08-05-2006, 03:25 PM
iceman

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLOOD SWEAT STEEL

Let me know if you need any help writing an apology letter to your local P.D.

bwa............
08-05-2006, 08:02 PM
stuckathuntermtn

isn't 44 in a 35 in the "9 miles and hour over" rule? that is SUCH bullshit. I hope they don't get those here. In NJ(the shittiest state ever) they time you going through the tolls with EZpass and if the time is too low, you get a ticket. though I am rarely in NJ, i will now never get an EZPass.
08-05-2006, 08:48 PM
Big Blue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippster

All they need to see is your license plate. if you are the owner of that car, you're responsible for the fine, since all drivers of that vehicle do so with your permission.

This doesn't make any sense to me. You're telling me if someone borrowed my car, ran down a pedestrian, and then returned it to me without telling me about what happened I'd be responsible because it was my car? I don't think that shit would really fly in court. Then again I'm not a lawyer, maybe our legal system really is that fucked up.
08-05-2006, 08:50 PM
glademaster

44 in a 35 isn't speeding, at least not around here. You have to be at least 10-12 mph over the limit for cops to even bat an eye in NJ, and it seems like most of NY too. That bites big time though, maybe that would explain that paranoid kid in Cali with a radar detector in his sports car who refused to drive more than 5mph over the limit.
08-05-2006, 09:45 PM
cj001f

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Blue

This doesn't make any sense to me. You're telling me if someone borrowed my car, ran down a pedestrian, and then returned it to me without telling me about what happened I'd be responsible because it was my car? I don't think that shit would really fly in court. Then again I'm not a lawyer, maybe our legal system really is that fucked up.

In my experience you can narc on someone driving your car = they get the fine, or you can pay it yourself. Given the ratio of cars to people, not a bad assumption.

You got nailed dead to rights. Sack up and take your medicine like a man (and BSS gets a +10 for a sense of humour re his predicament)
08-05-2006, 11:56 PM
nealric

Quote:

There are probably tons of radar detector threads, but there are only two worth considering, Passport and Valentine. I prefer the passport.
Reply With Quote

Beltronics=escort

the highest end beltronics is the same internally as the passport and can be found for $50 less.
08-06-2006, 08:40 AM
Tippster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big Blue

This doesn't make any sense to me. You're telling me if someone borrowed my car, ran down a pedestrian, and then returned it to me without telling me about what happened I'd be responsible because it was my car? I don't think that shit would really fly in court. Then again I'm not a lawyer, maybe our legal system really is that fucked up.

It gets better - a buddy of mine is one of the DA's in Washington Couty, MD. He had a case where a dude borrowed his friend's car and used it to haul a shitload of Crack from a main distrubutor to several smaller dealers. He was busted for distribution, and the guy whose car was used got nailed for aiding and abetting. Lesson learned: don't lend your car to a sketchy friend. Ever.

stuckathuntermtn: I regularly drive an average of 80mph in a 65mph limit zone on the Jersey Turnpike from the Delaware Bridge to exit 4 (about 35 miles) non-stop every other weekend. I've used EZPass for the last 8 years and have NEVER gotten a ticket in the mail, so I think that may be an Urban Legend/Internet BS.
08-06-2006, 12:53 PM
zion zig zag

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippster

All they need to see is your license plate. if you are the owner of that car, you're responsible for the fine, since all drivers of that vehicle do so with your permission. AFAIK the only way out of one of these tickets id to prove your car had been stolen, and the only way to do that is to have a police report dated prior to that picture.

Pay the money and slow down in that section of road. At least it's no points on your license.

No non no, fuck this casr don't speed, peopel speed, if i borrow somebody car and go speed and get caught by the cops i get the ticket they don't go to my firend s house and give him the tickrt, it shouldnt be any fuckin different because of the camera shit. and why no points on the liscences? right there theu are admitting that its fucked up if you get caught by a rael cop you fuckin points on your licesne. just don't ever pay it ibet they wont even come after youy theyll probably threaten you with bad credit or some shit anfd then you can what cradit motherfucker? i didnt fuckin sign for shit i dint get extende no line of credit . id go to the motherfuckin supreme fuckin courts and spnd 1million dollars in legal fees and then move to switerland and fucking laugh at cameras. i going to get a sign on the back of my truck that says photo this and it will have a picture of my ass on it and then ill fucin run lights all day and speed like hell and when oi get pulled over by a real cop ill bee like cool whats the fine ill glasdly pay it and thank the cops for doing a good job of getting crazy mofos of the street but when they take my picture ill be all like ahhaahahah fuck that im from switzerland and stuff ha.
08-06-2006, 06:28 PM
nesta

photo radar is so lame. and 44 in a 35 zone for $125? , lame x 2. it might rile them up a bit, but why don't you mail them a photo of 2 fifties, a twenty and a five? it won't get you any further ahead, but the satisfaction of playing tit for tat is probably worth it. Good luck, and slow down!
08-07-2006, 01:27 PM
Tippster

Quote:

Originally Posted by flykdog

No non no, fuck this casr don't speed, peopel speed, if i borrow somebody car and go speed and get caught by the cops i get the ticket they don't go to my firend s house and give him the tickrt, it shouldnt be any fuckin different because of the camera shit. and why no points on the liscences? right there theu are admitting that its fucked up if you get caught by a rael cop you fuckin points on your licesne. just don't ever pay it ibet they wont even come after youy theyll probably threaten you with bad credit or some shit anfd then you can what cradit motherfucker? i didnt fuckin sign for shit i dint get extende no line of credit . id go to the motherfuckin supreme fuckin courts and spnd 1million dollars in legal fees and then move to switerland and fucking laugh at cameras. i going to get a sign on the back of my truck that says photo this and it will have a picture of my ass on it and then ill fucin run lights all day and speed like hell and when oi get pulled over by a real cop ill bee like cool whats the fine ill glasdly pay it and thank the cops for doing a good job of getting crazy mofos of the street but when they take my picture ill be all like ahhaahahah fuck that im from switzerland and stuff ha.

You were this drunk^^^^ AT NOON.:yourock: :yourock: :yourock:
08-07-2006, 01:53 PM
s.p.c

friend got a photo ticket in the mail. opened it up and he was all sitting up near the edge of his seat with a big smile on his face smoking a cigarette.

awesome.
08-08-2006, 02:43 PM
stuckathuntermtn

yeah, well 80 on the highway in NJ seems pretty standard.
08-08-2006, 03:24 PM
daPig

These are illegal in the Peoples Republic of Maryland, not sure about Oregon.

specterguard
08-08-2006, 04:43 PM
Danno

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tippster

All they need to see is your license plate. if you are the owner of that car, you're responsible for the fine, since all drivers of that vehicle do so with your permission. AFAIK the only way out of one of these tickets id to prove your car had been stolen, and the only way to do that is to have a police report dated prior to that picture.

Incorrect, as far as I am aware. flykdog may have been drunk, but he was right when he said cars don't speed, people speed. They presume it was you driving if they can id the plate, but you don't have to show the car was stolen to get out of it. cj001f had it right, you can just rat someone else out.

However, fighting the ticket would put the OP in a difficult situation, even if the pic of the driver is too blurry to ID. Because to go to court to fight this, he'd probably have to a) lie and say it wasn't him, and b) say who it was (or come up with some other excuse for not knowing).

It sucks to get nailed for 9 over, but people are right, pay the ticket and move on (but within the limit this time ;)).
08-08-2006, 09:23 PM
Pow4Brains

My boss fought one in Boulder and won. You couldn't make out the driver, he said it wasn't him and stuck to it.
08-09-2006, 12:22 AM
huck4bucks

If the letter wasn't sent registered mail, you can say you never recieved it. Of course, you'll have to deal with a bench warrant the next time you're pulled over. Viva la resistance!!
08-11-2006, 10:42 AM
3W MO7B

Just take a photo of your $125 check, and send THAT in!

Fight photo with photo ;)
08-22-2006, 07:16 PM
Adolf Allerbush

Again, thanks for all the advice. My decision is to plead innocence. My explination (a.k.a. bull shit):

1) I work until 5PM (at least) each day and the photo ticket alleges that I was speeding at 4:45PM no where near my office. I have written proof of my companies office hours from the office manager to corraborate this.

2) I had some friends in town (true) from Canada (not true) all of which had access to my vehicle (not true but fuck it), therefor it is impossible for me to deterine who was driving the vehicle at the time indicated on the ticket. Additionally I do not believe that Oregon laws have reciprocity in Canada (could be wrong).

While I could just suck it up and pay the ticket this whole deal rubs me the wrong way. Was I driving so fast that it was dangerous? Negative. Did a police officer actually catch me in the act? Fuck no. I'll likely just be found guilty because it is my car, and end up paying the fine but at least the state will have to do more than take my picture to get the cash out of me. They'll have to actually file some addition paper work, draft some sort of response, possibly have me attend a court appearance, etc.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danno

Incorrect, as far as I am aware. flykdog may have been drunk, but he was right when he said cars don't speed, people speed. They presume it was you driving if they can id the plate, but you don't have to show the car was stolen to get out of it. cj001f had it right, you can just rat someone else out.

However, fighting the ticket would put the OP in a difficult situation, even if the pic of the driver is too blurry to ID. Because to go to court to fight this, he'd probably have to a) lie and say it wasn't him, and b) say who it was (or come up with some other excuse for not knowing).

It sucks to get nailed for 9 over, but people are right, pay the ticket and move on (but within the limit this time ;)).
08-22-2006, 07:31 PM
The Reverend Floater

Yeah, Adolf....fight the power! :yourock:
08-22-2006, 07:54 PM
Adolf Allerbush

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater

Yeah, Adolf....fight the power! :yourock:

and take it up the crapper
08-23-2006, 08:03 AM
Billy

Urban legend probably. Guy around here sent picture of check and received back a picture of handcuffs. doh!
08-23-2006, 08:23 AM
Tectonically_Neglected

Quote:

Originally Posted by flykdog

No non no, fuck this casr don't speed, peopel speed, if i borrow somebody car and go speed and get caught by the cops i get the ticket they don't go to my firend s house and give him the tickrt, it shouldnt be any fuckin different because of the camera shit. and why no points on the liscences? right there theu are admitting that its fucked up if you get caught by a rael cop you fuckin points on your licesne. just don't ever pay it ibet they wont even come after youy theyll probably threaten you with bad credit or some shit anfd then you can what cradit motherfucker? i didnt fuckin sign for shit i dint get extende no line of credit . id go to the motherfuckin supreme fuckin courts and spnd 1million dollars in legal fees and then move to switerland and fucking laugh at cameras. i going to get a sign on the back of my truck that says photo this and it will have a picture of my ass on it and then ill fucin run lights all day and speed like hell and when oi get pulled over by a real cop ill bee like cool whats the fine ill glasdly pay it and thank the cops for doing a good job of getting crazy mofos of the street but when they take my picture ill be all like ahhaahahah fuck that im from switzerland and stuff ha.

Looks like we just found out who the character behind OBernhard really is...
08-23-2006, 10:05 AM
Deadgoat

Suck it up Princess... you got caught!!
08-23-2006, 11:41 AM
powpig

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3W MO7B

Just take a photo of your $125 check, and send THAT in!

Fight photo with photo ;)

I read about a guy who did this. Got a photo back of a pair of handcuffs.
08-23-2006, 06:18 PM
pointedem

semi-thread jack:

A bench warrant- if you dont pay a ticket, or the check got lost in the mail.... Will they throw you out of the car and cuff your ass? Anyone have any experence or any ideas?

Gracias
08-23-2006, 07:28 PM
Eldo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I'll likely just be found guilty because it is my car, and end up paying the fine but at least the state will have to do more than take my picture to get the cash out of me. They'll have to actually file some addition paper work, draft some sort of response, possibly have me attend a court appearance, etc.

Thoughts? Suggestions?

So, you'd be willing to spend hours of your own time fighting this even though you will almost certainly end up having to pay the fine?

That'll show 'em.
08-24-2006, 09:35 AM
Adolf Allerbush

Not sure how long it takes you to write a letter but for me personally it took about 10 minutes. So yes, at the time I was willing to do that. If it comes down to it and I have to go to court I'll just pay the fine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eldo

So, you'd be willing to spend hours of your own time fighting this even though you will almost certainly end up having to pay the fine?

That'll show 'em.
08-24-2006, 02:30 PM
The Reverend Floater

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Not sure how long it takes you to write a letter but for me personally it took about 10 minutes. So yes, at the time I was willing to do that. If it comes down to it and I have to go to court I'll just pay the fine.

Sprinkle some pubes in with the letter. Sweet, sweet pubic retribution. :yourock:
08-24-2006, 02:40 PM
Cannonball

Quote:

Originally Posted by Billy

Urban legend probably. Guy around here sent picture of check and received back a picture of handcuffs. doh!

I've heard that one too, must be a urban legend.