it's finally happened - hell has frozen over.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006...5bootcamp.html
on the upside, they're gonna sell a shitload more computers with this move.
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it's finally happened - hell has frozen over.
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006...5bootcamp.html
on the upside, they're gonna sell a shitload more computers with this move.
Cool shit. I really love how it builds the driver CD for you. No looking for the drivers or anything (typical apple).
All they have to do now is release the powerbooks and I'm in :)
I cross posted this by accident in padded room.
Will this open your machine up to all the usual Windows virus problems? If so, it might not be a great trade off. I could see it being a big plus though, for my work stuff.
Oh,BTW- anyone know a Mac program that will read Microsoft Access reports? I need my reports, and my Dell laptop is down(big surprise).
and their stock is up 7% todayQuote:
Originally Posted by The Jackamo
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Originally Posted by warthog
On startup it will either boot into Windows and run like any other Windows desktop or boot OS X and run like any other Mac. If you boot into Windows you will be open to all of the usual problems but it's unlikely to get into your OS X install. That being said as OS X gains popularity viruses and other exploits targeting it will be more prevalent.
That's what I love about Apple they don't just make it possible they make it easy and slick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Son1cdeth
Per Apple:Quote:
Originally Posted by warthog
"Word to the Wise: Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it'll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes."
That said, Boot Camp creates a separate partition on your hard drive. So the worst that can happen is that the Windows partition gets hosed. Your OS X partition can't be harmed.
Maybe Filemaker Pro or MySQL?Quote:
Oh,BTW- anyone know a Mac program that will read Microsoft Access reports? I need my reports, and my Dell laptop is down(big surprise).
No, they just realized everyone was gonna do it anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
And remember, don't bother calling support when you hose your xp installation.
They don't care.
Sorry, but i don't see what the big deal is. Many of us have been doing this for the last 7 or 8 years. If you work in cross platform software development, you either make your machine multi-boot or buy seperate machines which is what most mac users (being the good consumers they are) probably do. On my Mac book pro i have Debian, SUSE, XP, and OSX as boot options running for the last 3 weeks and on my old power book I mainly booted it into SUSE 9 and occasionally OS X to test apps.
What will really blow the typical mac user away is when people is things like Darwine and VMware which allow you to run X86 windooze apps in OS X, not just boot into one OS or another.
People where already doing it, my statement still stands that they didn't just make it possible but easy and slick.Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
Why should Apple support care that you hosed you XP partition? Do you seriously think they should provide support for a product they do not develop or sell?
I'm running VMware at work but splitting my desktops resources between multiple OSes just isn't cutting it. At a previous job I was running the VMware server on a fully loaded IBM x445. It was able to run three virtual Linux boxes nicely.Quote:
Originally Posted by grooveninja
I was hoping to play around with Solaris Management Center on Solaris 10 x86 in VMware on my desktop but I'm either going to have to go to a dual boot or find some spare Sparc hardware.
Because people are stupid and will call Apple anyhow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
Also why should XP users rejoice?
It isn't like the new macs will have the upgrade paths a normal PC has.
How many non-gamers do you know that have ever upgraded their PC besides adding more RAM?Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
I didn't ask if they would call I asked why you think they should support a product they don't develop or sell.Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
They make boot camp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
They should support it!!!111oneonetwelve
And so I hear you can fry an egg on a macbook.
Discuss.
Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
Where does it say they won't support boot camp? They state that they will not support Windows.
They give you the path, they should give you help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurch
And its all irrelevant.
This won't increase "productivity" just on the fact that nobody wants to fucking reboot every 5 minutes.
So should they support every application that runs on OS X? Should VMware provide technical support for every OS that it says will run in it's virtual machine?Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
Dell and the other PC companies only support Windows because they sell it preinstalled on their hardware.
By the way Microsoft makes a product similar to VMware that lets you run Linux and other operating systems inside a window and guess what they don't support Linux.
Well g4 mac operating temps have absoultely no baring on the new intel chips. They will operate at the same temps as any other notebook. Based on the power consumption, these nextgen intel chips will run cooler than current ones.Quote:
And so I hear you can fry an egg on a macbook.
Discuss.
There have been some issues with MacBookPros getting really hot. Not a lot of them, just enough for a small quiet "recall" and some bug fixes. Not a huge deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealric
GAY 1235
I don't really expect Kona to help me with my FOX fork if I have issues with it. They will, however, help me out if I have questions about the head tube.Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid
What's the difference?
This has been rehashed time and again. You're just being a bitch and you fucking know it.
Who's gonna reboot every 5 minutes? Why will nobody wanting to reboot every 5 minutes get in the way of increasing productivity?Quote:
And its all irrelevant.
This won't increase "productivity" just on the fact that nobody wants to fucking reboot every 5 minutes.
I don't fucking get it, lik. You piss over every thread you post in.
Picked up a new black MacBook last week and so far I'm pretty impressed.
Had a little hassle installing BootCamp. Mac said my hard drive had faults so OS X need to be reloaded. Did that. Lost no data or apps. Reloaded BootCamp, loaded windows XP and all's good. I only partitioned 8Gb for Windows and it runs like a champ.
The only complaint I have so far is the black matte finish shows every little fingerprint. It does get hot but doesn't seem any hotter than my powerbook. I can't figure out why they're putting relatively small HD's in them though... 80Gb for a top-end macBook and 120Gb for the top-end macBook Pro. I bought an external 500Gb drive to compensate.
I think Apple's gonna sell a ton of hardware when the word starts to spread.
One reason might be that there aren´t bigger ones existing (pro)?Quote:
Originally Posted by jibij
The second problem at the moment is that they need to differentiate the two lineups somehow. At the moment both are using very similar clockspeed processors. Too similar infact.
Things will change in august when the pro´s get meroms.
Then apple can offer bigger hdd´s to the macbooks,because the lineups are different enough.
I guess the 160BG 2.5" hdd should be out any day now,but using them isnt particulary cost effective.
They can cost couple hundred bucks more,that´ll go straigh into the price.
And apple has never been good at offering bto options.Hopefully it changes in the future,and starts to be like other PC vendors.
Yup. There aren't any larger than about 120gb 2.5" SATA drives, that are cost effective anyway. I never understand people who want to jam ten thousand GBs in their machines. I think it's always a better idea to get an external so you have means to back up. You did good buying an external (unless it was a LaCie/Maxtor). Now you just need to make sure and BACK SHIT UP. I recommend CarbonCopyCloner.
Edit: The MB and MBPro may have the same processor and similar HDs, but the HD is not the defining difference. It's the video card. The video card alone makes or breaks the MB for some. It all depends on what you use your computer for.
Crap.... what's wrong with LaCie's? I bought it right from the Apple store thinking that'd be the safest bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by bossass
We´ve had for few years about 25 external Lacies at the studio without any problems whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by jibij
So,you can do the math.. :)
Obviously,some critical work might need to have some discs with longer MTBF s, but for us mortals,i think we´ll be just fine.
I am a Mac nerd, first thing I'll do when I get a new one is delete that weak ass MS shit off of there.
Wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by JoshP
67890
hasn't this been around for years? i knew someone that had win xp on a power book. as for viruses and stuff, three words: NORTON INTERNET SECURTITY, assholes
You'll probably be fine, but those LaCies are just two Maxtor 250s Raided together. And maxtors suck (*although, they were recently bought by Seagate, so hopefully seagate will either kill them or share technology, but I don't think the results of the buy have hit shelves yet)Quote:
Originally Posted by jibij
Seagates are the bomb dude. 5 year warrenty. I don't know what you need 500gbs of space for, but I'd be almost tempted to return that thing (you have two weeks) and get two 250 externals. Cause when that Raided one goes, both drives are fucked.
i'd rather have viruses on my computer than any norton crap, asshole.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
too bad for you
Thanks for the extra info bossass. I think I'm gonna give this drive a shot. It's already set up with tons of stuff on it and I'm too lazy to start that over. Really important stuff gets backed to DVD, so I can still sleep at night.
JoshP - It doesn't come with Windows loaded on it. Since the new macs are Intel based, you can load Windows on it if you want using a separate piece of software (Boot Camp). I believe that Boot Camp will be integrated into the next release (Leopard).
stuck - I'm guessing what you saw was Windows running on a Mac via Virtual PC. VPC is so slow its worthless.
I forgot to mention one of the coolest features. If you format your Windows partition as FAT32, you get a Windows disk on your mac desktop that you can drag files to. When you boot in windows, there the file is. Its like Star Wars teleportation shit.
actually just fine for me. too bad for you slowing your computer down with that bloated root kit installing piece of crap.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
most of my time on a computer is on my Debian box where viruses and spyware are of little concern.
i run clamAV and spam assassin on my mail server to get rid of most spam and viruses before they ever even leave the server.
on my windows machine, i use just the basic microsoft xp firewall and microsoft anti-spyware with clamWin for antivirus. I have never had a virus or had to deal with spyware on my computer (except for the time my wife REALLY needed the ice cream cone mouse icon).
edit:
now it seems that a flaw in NortonAV lets hackers take over your computer, sweet.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/interne....ap/index.html
o thanks, jibij, that really reffereshed my memory there. ANY emulation of windows on a mac is fucking retarded imho. the whole point of getting a mac is that it's NOT windows. there is a windows emulation for linux too. as far as my verdict on norton: that security hole is a little worrisome to me, but norton has been good to me. new 2006 version is slow as shit, rrrrrrrrr, not cool. they don't really streamline programs anymore because of how powerful computers are, but sometimes it gets retarded. i think the 04(?) version i had was faster and if DEFFINETALLY blocked ads better. good thing i finally got a new computer though. and i still haven't seen that mail in rebate from them that i sent in, now that i think about it. these mother fuckers are stealing my (dad's) money and yield to pressure from ad companies (pure speculation, but not far fetched)
No it´s not.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Some people,like people who work with computers instead of buying them with papa´s money, need cross-platform testing. Doing it on the same computers is a "bit" more cost effective.
And for you fear of windows is gonna mess up your pretty macbook, dont worry.
If you install XP and run it via Bootcamp (wich is the only reasonable way,anyway) you create a separate partition for your XP and OS X stuff.
And viruses destroying your OS X,stuff.
Hardly.
Windows cannot natively read OS X HSF+ so it cannot even see it.
If your viruses destroy your XP partition, you format it,and reinstall your XP.
Avot.
no no no. my dad bought me NIS because i bought it with MY MONEY off new egg and built it myself. sorry if i gave that impression. i'm actually very smart. i bought a bunch of parts and built it my self after never doing that before. aside from almost lighting it on fire, it went well.
EDIT: and he bought it for me because he will be using it, too. i have pictures if you don't believe me. it has a clear case with 3 blue led fans and a clear power unit with blue led's. it's fucking hot.
"And viruses destroying your OS X,stuff.
Hardly.
Windows cannot natively read OS X HSF+ so it cannot even see it.
If your viruses destroy your XP partition, you format it,and reinstall your XP."
yeah i kinda figured that. and i do like working with comps, but mostly for video games
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