XP Users Rejoice - Official Windows on a Mac

[The Jackamo]

it's finally happened - hell has frozen over.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2006...5bootcamp.html

on the upside, they're gonna sell a shitload more computers with this move.

[Son1cdeth]

Cool shit. I really love how it builds the driver CD for you. No looking for the drivers or anything (typical apple).

All they have to do now is release the powerbooks and I'm in

[warthog]

I cross posted this by accident in padded room.

Will this open your machine up to all the usual Windows virus problems? If so, it might not be a great trade off. I could see it being a big plus though, for my work stuff.

Oh,BTW- anyone know a Mac program that will read Microsoft Access reports? I need my reports, and my Dell laptop is down(big surprise).

[golden powder]

on the upside, they're gonna sell a shitload more computers with this move.

and their stock is up 7% today

[Lurch]

Will this open your machine up to all the usual Windows virus problems? If so, it might not be a great trade off. I could see it being a big plus though, for my work stuff.
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On startup it will either boot into Windows and run like any other Windows desktop or boot OS X and run like any other Mac. If you boot into Windows you will be open to all of the usual problems but it's unlikely to get into your OS X install. That being said as OS X gains popularity viruses and other exploits targeting it will be more prevalent.

[Lurch]

Cool shit. I really love how it builds the driver CD for you. No looking for the drivers or anything (typical apple).

All they have to do now is release the powerbooks and I'm in

That's what I love about Apple they don't just make it possible they make it easy and slick.

[Arty50]

Will this open your machine up to all the usual Windows virus problems? If so, it might not be a great trade off. I could see it being a big plus though, for my work stuff.

Per Apple:
"Word to the Wise: Windows running on a Mac is like Windows running on a PC. That means it'll be subject to the same attacks that plague the Windows world. So be sure to keep it updated with the latest Microsoft Windows security fixes."

That said, Boot Camp creates a separate partition on your hard drive. So the worst that can happen is that the Windows partition gets hosed. Your OS X partition can't be harmed.

Oh,BTW- anyone know a Mac program that will read Microsoft Access reports? I need my reports, and my Dell laptop is down(big surprise).

Maybe Filemaker Pro or MySQL?

[Free Range Lobster]

That's what I love about Apple they don't just make it possible they make it easy and slick.

No, they just realized everyone was gonna do it anyhow.

And remember, don't bother calling support when you hose your xp installation.
They don't care.

[grooveninja]

Sorry, but i don't see what the big deal is. Many of us have been doing this for the last 7 or 8 years. If you work in cross platform software development, you either make your machine multi-boot or buy seperate machines which is what most mac users (being the good consumers they are) probably do. On my Mac book pro i have Debian, SUSE, XP, and OSX as boot options running for the last 3 weeks and on my old power book I mainly booted it into SUSE 9 and occasionally OS X to test apps.


What will really blow the typical mac user away is when people is things like Darwine and VMware which allow you to run X86 windooze apps in OS X, not just boot into one OS or another.

[Lurch]

No, they just realized everyone was gonna do it anyhow.

And remember, don't bother calling support when you hose your xp installation.
They don't care.

People where already doing it, my statement still stands that they didn't just make it possible but easy and slick.

Why should Apple support care that you hosed you XP partition? Do you seriously think they should provide support for a product they do not develop or sell?

[Lurch]

What will really blow the typical mac user away is when people is things like Darwine and VMware which allow you to run X86 windooze apps in OS X, not just boot into one OS or another.

I'm running VMware at work but splitting my desktops resources between multiple OSes just isn't cutting it. At a previous job I was running the VMware server on a fully loaded IBM x445. It was able to run three virtual Linux boxes nicely.

I was hoping to play around with Solaris Management Center on Solaris 10 x86 in VMware on my desktop but I'm either going to have to go to a dual boot or find some spare Sparc hardware.

[Free Range Lobster]

People where already doing it, my statement still stands that they didn't just make it possible but easy and slick.

Why should Apple support care that you hosed you XP partition? Do you seriously think they should provide support for a product they do not develop or sell?

Because people are stupid and will call Apple anyhow.

Also why should XP users rejoice?
It isn't like the new macs will have the upgrade paths a normal PC has.

[Lurch]

Also why should XP users rejoice?
It isn't like the new macs will have the upgrade paths a normal PC has.

How many non-gamers do you know that have ever upgraded their PC besides adding more RAM?

[Lurch]

Because people are stupid and will call Apple anyhow.

I didn't ask if they would call I asked why you think they should support a product they don't develop or sell.

[Free Range Lobster]

I didn't ask if they would call I asked why you think they should support a product they don't develop or sell.

They make boot camp.
They should support it!!!111oneonetwelve

And so I hear you can fry an egg on a macbook.
Discuss.

[Lurch]

They make boot camp.
They should support it!!!111oneonetwelve

Where does it say they won't support boot camp? They state that they will not support Windows.

[Free Range Lobster]

Where does it say they won't support boot camp? They state that they will not support Windows.

They give you the path, they should give you help.

And its all irrelevant.
This won't increase "productivity" just on the fact that nobody wants to fucking reboot every 5 minutes.

[Lurch]

They give you the path, they should give you help.

So should they support every application that runs on OS X? Should VMware provide technical support for every OS that it says will run in it's virtual machine?

Dell and the other PC companies only support Windows because they sell it preinstalled on their hardware.


By the way Microsoft makes a product similar to VMware that lets you run Linux and other operating systems inside a window and guess what they don't support Linux.

[nealric]

And so I hear you can fry an egg on a macbook.
Discuss.

Well g4 mac operating temps have absoultely no baring on the new intel chips. They will operate at the same temps as any other notebook. Based on the power consumption, these nextgen intel chips will run cooler than current ones.

[Platinum Pete]

Well g4 mac operating temps have absoultely no baring on the new intel chips. They will operate at the same temps as any other notebook. Based on the power consumption, these nextgen intel chips will run cooler than current ones.

There have been some issues with MacBookPros getting really hot. Not a lot of them, just enough for a small quiet "recall" and some bug fixes. Not a huge deal.

[mtbakerskier]

GAY 1235

[focus]

They give you the path, they should give you help.

I don't really expect Kona to help me with my FOX fork if I have issues with it. They will, however, help me out if I have questions about the head tube.
What's the difference?

This has been rehashed time and again. You're just being a bitch and you fucking know it.

And its all irrelevant.
This won't increase "productivity" just on the fact that nobody wants to fucking reboot every 5 minutes.

Who's gonna reboot every 5 minutes? Why will nobody wanting to reboot every 5 minutes get in the way of increasing productivity?

I don't fucking get it, lik. You piss over every thread you post in.

[jibij]

Picked up a new black MacBook last week and so far I'm pretty impressed.
Had a little hassle installing BootCamp. Mac said my hard drive had faults so OS X need to be reloaded. Did that. Lost no data or apps. Reloaded BootCamp, loaded windows XP and all's good. I only partitioned 8Gb for Windows and it runs like a champ.

The only complaint I have so far is the black matte finish shows every little fingerprint. It does get hot but doesn't seem any hotter than my powerbook. I can't figure out why they're putting relatively small HD's in them though... 80Gb for a top-end macBook and 120Gb for the top-end macBook Pro. I bought an external 500Gb drive to compensate.

I think Apple's gonna sell a ton of hardware when the word starts to spread.

[Meathelmet]

I can't figure out why they're putting relatively small HD's in them though... 80Gb for a top-end macBook and 120Gb for the top-end macBook Pro.

One reason might be that there aren´t bigger ones existing (pro)?

The second problem at the moment is that they need to differentiate the two lineups somehow. At the moment both are using very similar clockspeed processors. Too similar infact.

Things will change in august when the pro´s get meroms.
Then apple can offer bigger hdd´s to the macbooks,because the lineups are different enough.

I guess the 160BG 2.5" hdd should be out any day now,but using them isnt particulary cost effective.
They can cost couple hundred bucks more,that´ll go straigh into the price.

And apple has never been good at offering bto options.Hopefully it changes in the future,and starts to be like other PC vendors.

[bossass]

Yup. There aren't any larger than about 120gb 2.5" SATA drives, that are cost effective anyway. I never understand people who want to jam ten thousand GBs in their machines. I think it's always a better idea to get an external so you have means to back up. You did good buying an external (unless it was a LaCie/Maxtor). Now you just need to make sure and BACK SHIT UP. I recommend CarbonCopyCloner.

Edit: The MB and MBPro may have the same processor and similar HDs, but the HD is not the defining difference. It's the video card. The video card alone makes or breaks the MB for some. It all depends on what you use your computer for.